rangers need to be redone
As much as Id like that, it wont happen, too many fan boys of this evasion tank kitten or melee ranger. Im a bow lover but I also dont mind some melee option, I just wish our ranged option was on par with others such as rifle warrior.
As much as Id like that, it wont happen, too many fan boys of this evasion tank kitten or melee ranger. Im a bow lover but I also dont mind some melee option, I just wish our ranged option was on par with others such as rifle warrior.
But it is…..
According to my tests, Ranger shortbow does pretty similar DPS with Warrior Rifle without a pet.
Unless you mean burst damage. Then yes, our burst does not compare to a War’s.
As much as Id like that, it wont happen, too many fan boys of this evasion tank kitten or melee ranger. Im a bow lover but I also dont mind some melee option, I just wish our ranged option was on par with others such as rifle warrior.
But it is…..
According to my tests, Ranger shortbow does pretty similar DPS with Warrior Rifle without a pet.
Unless you mean burst damage. Then yes, our burst does not compare to a War’s.
Burst is all that matters in pvp. Idc about pve, every weapon can be used in pve. In pvp tho, a shortbow is better than longbow sure, but warriors rifle is like a mix of the 2, and I refuse to use a shortbow, its just a silly kitten weapon.
I refuse to use a shortbow, its just a silly kitten weapon.
May I ask why? What kind of “bow lower” doesn’t like shortbows?
I refuse to use a shortbow, its just a silly kitten weapon.
May I ask why? What kind of “bow lower” doesn’t like shortbows?
The kind who likes real bows? Sorry but kid bows just dont do it for me. In both real life and fantasy, shortbows were used for practice and small children at best. The only kind of bows used in combat were longbows/recurves/composite/compound bows. Shortbow attacks are silly, and makes me feel like Im using a sling shot….concussion shot, really? So I shoot them in the head and it only bruises them? Sorry but Im more about aesthetics of the bow and the feel of the attacks. Even tho longbow is massively flawed and weak, I love the feel of long ranged shot and barrage, they feel archerish and not childish. Id love changes for them ofc but still, the idea of slow casting hard hitting auto attack does it for me, I do wish it did a bit more damage and or atleast at all the ranges.
In both real life and fantasy, shortbows were used for practice and small children at best. The only kind of bows used in combat were longbows/recurves/composite/compound bows.
Utter rubbish.
For a start, the length of a bow has nothing to do with if it’s a short or a longbow. It’s the string angle at full draw which defines a long or shortbow.
Both bows are capable of shooting as accurately and as powerfully as each other BUT it would take a better archer to achieve the same effect with a shortbow.
Shortbows were regularly used where longbows were impractical.
As for the ranger class, we need some work, some bug fixes, pet issues but the whine that we need a complete and total rebuild is pretty comical and isn’t going to happen.
The bravest animal in the land is Captain Beaky and his band.
Recurve bows can be short tbh. It’s not like a recurve bow and a short bow are necessarily two different things.
https://blackwidowbows.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=104_65
But ye short bows look terribad in this game. Lol they look like toy bows, i think that’s what Dante meant with his post. Sadly in pvp sb is just better, much faster, a good evade, an interrupt and a poison. With a lb you are simply too slow, the weapon is only good for hunter’s shot, barrage and pbs.
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In both real life and fantasy, shortbows were used for practice and small children at best. The only kind of bows used in combat were longbows/recurves/composite/compound bows.
Utter rubbish.
For a start, the length of a bow has nothing to do with if it’s a short or a longbow. It’s the string angle at full draw which defines a long or shortbow.
Both bows are capable of shooting as accurately and as powerfully as each other BUT it would take a better archer to achieve the same effect with a shortbow.
Shortbows were regularly used where longbows were impractical.
As for the ranger class, we need some work, some bug fixes, pet issues but the whine that we need a complete and total rebuild is pretty comical and isn’t going to happen.
That isnt utter rubbish, learn your archery. String angle? No, the distance is based on kinetic energy and how much power the bow itself can produce. Try to guess the strongest bow in history. If you guessed english warbow you would be correct, stood a bit over 6 feet tall, had 120 LB draw weight and was stupidly strong. Shortbows were never used in warfare. Mostly because shortbows were for children to practice with. What you may be thinking of and what the fella above me mentioned was a recurve bow. And I will point out that a recurve bow while having a smaller frame was technically the same size as a english longbow, just recurved to give a smaller frame, same power but with a lighter draw weight. Mongols used it to conquer much of the world, while the english just added slight recurves to their longbows.
Point is, a real shortbow and ingame shortbow look like toy bows. In RL they have no warfare use, and ingame they have stupid skills that have little to do with archery itself. Longbow is the real bow, and I for one would like to be able to use it without gimping myself. Imo there is a reason all the shortbows in this game have goofy kitten attacks, rangers, and thieves, as opposed to warrior and rangers longbow which have atleast semblance of real archery.
Recurve bows can be short tbh. It’s not like a recurve bow and a short bow are necessarily two different things.
https://blackwidowbows.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=104_65But ye short bows look terribad in this game. Lol they look like toy bows, i think that’s what Dante meant with his post. Sadly in pvp sb is just better, much faster, a good evade, an interrupt and a poison. With a lb you are simply too slow, the weapon is only good for hunter’s shot, barrage and pbs.
Actually wikipedia is stupid, real shortbows are smaller than even a recurve, and as I mentioned recurves have the same mass as a longbow but redesigned to make it more efficient and mobile without loss of any power or distance. EIther way most people will agree the shortbow skins in this game are silly as hell. Shortbow is stronger sadly but thats really only because #1 on longbow is stupid. While I love the skill itself and I like the idea of slow casting hard hitting skills, it gets weaker at close range and its cast time stays the same. There are alot of issues to work out with longbow and it needs to be addressed as badly as pets do, why? Because ALOT of people who play ranger wanted to play longbow rangers but cant and wont because it sucks atm for pvp. Pets and longbow seem to have the same use, a few seconds of using their cds then swap it out. Btw a good example of a ingame recurve and longbow are some of the starter longbows. The starter pvp bow and the starter pve bow, 1 is modeled after the D shape traditional longbow and the other is modeled after a recurve, it should be ab it smaller but its got the shape down. Or droknar’s longbow has a good skin too it, thats the one Im using.
In both real life and fantasy, shortbows were used for practice and small children at best. The only kind of bows used in combat were longbows/recurves/composite/compound bows.
Utter rubbish.
For a start, the length of a bow has nothing to do with if it’s a short or a longbow. It’s the string angle at full draw which defines a long or shortbow.
Both bows are capable of shooting as accurately and as powerfully as each other BUT it would take a better archer to achieve the same effect with a shortbow.
Shortbows were regularly used where longbows were impractical.
As for the ranger class, we need some work, some bug fixes, pet issues but the whine that we need a complete and total rebuild is pretty comical and isn’t going to happen.
That isnt utter rubbish, learn your archery.
Utter rubbish. The difference between a longbow and a shortbow is string pinch, string angle at full draw is what differs the two, that is both historically correct and is set down in national competitions around the world and really has nothing to do with the ranger class in this game.
The bravest animal in the land is Captain Beaky and his band.
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In both real life and fantasy, shortbows were used for practice and small children at best. The only kind of bows used in combat were longbows/recurves/composite/compound bows.
Utter rubbish.
For a start, the length of a bow has nothing to do with if it’s a short or a longbow. It’s the string angle at full draw which defines a long or shortbow.
Both bows are capable of shooting as accurately and as powerfully as each other BUT it would take a better archer to achieve the same effect with a shortbow.
Shortbows were regularly used where longbows were impractical.
As for the ranger class, we need some work, some bug fixes, pet issues but the whine that we need a complete and total rebuild is pretty comical and isn’t going to happen.
That isnt utter rubbish, learn your archery.
Utter rubbish. The difference between a longbow and a shortbow is string pinch, string angle at full draw is what differs the two, that is both historically correct and is set down in national competitions around the world and really has nothing to do with the ranger class in this game.
Ok, well obviously you havent done archery at all. Im done having this conversation with a wannabe. Good day.
Anet said that our pets are a part of our overall damage. BUT, pets are useless in some cases (around bosses with aoe.)
Stow your pet for an E&E through a hi pop area, take one damage, pet appears and leads the foe to your position ( you can’t stow pet again if it’s disabled.)My solutions:
1) ranger gets a damage buff which accounts for the dps your pet gives; buff goes away when pet is on screen.
2) ability to perma-stow your pet. Falling damage will not bring it out. A snag from a rose bush will not bring it out. Clicking F1 when it’s stowed brings it out.You should have the option to perma-stow your pets at will. They die in one/two shots sometimes. Also, try to evade and escape in hostile territories with a “dead” pet following you. A ranger which can’t operate undetected within hostile areas is shameful enough.
Enough people want this so hopefully they impliment it in.
My favorite idea that I was thinking about earlier would be to change the 1 skill, long range shot, completely. It would allow you to hold down the 1 button for up to like 2 seconds to “draw” the arrow to varying degrees; tapping the skill and auto-attacking would just get you a basic attack, holding it down for a split second longer would get your attack to the next tier of damage, and a then a split second longer than that would get you to the third tier.
Long Range Shot Revamp:
- Tier 1 charge: Quick Shot – auto-attack/normal, Damage: 470
Just tapping the button like you would now. - Tier 2 charge : Power Shot – Hold down “Long Range Shot” for 1.5 seconds and release, Damage: 650
Hold the button down for a second and release - Tier 3 charge: Precision Shot – Charge “Long Range Shot” for 3 seconds for a 100% crit shot, Damage: 1700 + 100% crit chance on the shot (so just a little less damage than what three “power shot” level charges would do, but you also get a 100% crit chance with it)
Of course the damage would have to be played with and tested, but these numbers are just for example…. well something like this would be a nice change anyways.
As for melee, I kind of like where it is right now, although things could still be tweaked a bit…
Pets just need a complete revamp so that they are useful for more than fluff content and can survive in boss fight better (especially the ones with large aoes…). An option to put them away completely would be nice (maybe then give players like 5-10 extra trait points or something? Might be too OP that way, but might be something to try out at least; would be more fun than a direct buff for not having a pet lol).
Personally, I would go play a warrior, but I really don’t like the feel of their skills; if I could put the Ranger Greatsword skills on a warrior I would never touch my ranger again lol. The longbow on warriors also just isn’t to my taste… and I didn’t really like the feel of the rifle either.
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Ok, well obviously you havent done archery at all. Im done having this conversation with a wannabe. Good day.
Of course you are, I’m also sure you’re totally unable to back up your “shortbows were used for small children at best” with any actual facts given that shortbows were in use on horseback and for hunting and fighting in tight forest and high bush all over Britain where longbows were impractical and are to date one of the most popular selling bows in the world.
So lets just be clear, you opened with, paraphrased “shortbows are not real bows and are only for children at best” which totally differs from historical fact and then make up some random rubbish about “the only kind of bows used in combat were longbows/recurves/composite/compound bows” like for some reason shortbows can’t be recurves or composite or even composite recurve, like they have been for thousands of years.
The bravest animal in the land is Captain Beaky and his band.
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