Guild Wars 2

ive been reading these forums for awhile now and the new outrage about LB rangers is just laughable. news flash, rangers have been bottom tier since launch, now they got a halfway decent damage buff for a weapon 90% of the experienced rangers out there don’t really use. omg kitten and l2p ur friggin class. hey its called a RANGEr for a reason. we are supposed to have the most powerful ranged attacks out of any other classes in the game. so why in the hell for the longest time have our best weapon sets and builds been melee? its about time anet stepped up and fixed this broken design. as it stands right now any class out there regardless of build could easily down a LB ranger pre patch, now we have the POTENTIAL to actually dish out some damage. if u wanna complain about something, complain about how mobile the d/d ele is, the wtf lol combo of the hambow warrior, the meh I don’t wanna die so ima stealth thief. but oh no as soon as we start talking about other classes the people that don’t main a ranger (which is usually the loudest voice heard on the forums btw) are gonna start screaming. and if you still have such a hard time fighting rangers that use bow (omg what an odd concept) play em. the biggest part in any battle is knowledge, I have every class in the game to lvl 80, Ive played every build I could possibly imagine, so when im running around on my ranger I can recognize so and so’s current meta build, and I will know their potentials and their limits. I mean hell, its bad enough that anet royally screwed up the ranger in the first place, but everyone kinda got used to it, and now that they are trying to fix it people are screaming? its just pathetic. and all you people out there screaming you should just count your lucky stars that this IS GW2 ranger, and not the GW1 interrupt playstyle ranger that would definitely have you screaming, face palming, and rage quitting. just my 2 cents tho. and reply and hate all you want, I don’t give kitten about your opinion as to why this class is suddenly OMG OP!

Yes, the griping is exaggerated, unwarranted, and there’s a large amount of it. Welcome to game forums where most of the people aren’t old enough to remember when games were actually hard and were instead suckling their momma while many of us were bashing our heads against games that made you start back at the beginning if you died.

As far as “Ranger” … the fact that ‘range’ is part of the word is merely a coincidence. Ranger is a real word that existed before games and it does not mean “person that shoots from range” … though it doesn’t exclude it either ;-)

Now you know … and knowing is half the battle … G.I. Jooooooeeeee!

You can look up Ranger in a dictionary.
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James, please learn what a ranger truly is before trying to imply that you KNOW what it is. That whole post of yours made you look like a fool.

u wot m8

James.9427:

now they got a halfway decent damage buff for a weapon 90% of the experienced rangers out there don’t really use.

Experienced rangers with zerker power build, used LB long before the so called buff. Now it’s just a more viable option.

Now even in meta PvE build LB is present as a secondary weapon to start the fight with barrage, RF and swap to sword.

Oh- but you must know more..

Also lol @ ranger has anything to do with the word range… What are you 10 year old?

To range is to Venture and hunt , going out into the wilderness.

ranger
[reyn-jer]

Examples
Word Origin

noun
1.
forest ranger.
2.
one of a body of armed guards who patrol a region.
3.
(initial capital letter) a U.S. soldier in World War II specially trained for making surprise raids and attacks in small groups.
Compare commando (def 1).
4.
a soldier specially trained in the techniques of guerrilla warfare, especially in jungle terrain.
5.
a person who ranges or roves.
6.
(especially in Texas) a member of the state police.
7.
British. a keeper of a royal forest or park.
8.
Building Trades. wale1 (def 5).
9.
(initial capital letter) one of a series of instrumented U.S. space probes launched in the 1960s that transmitted closeup pictures of the moon before impacting the lunar surface.
(aka Long Range/Venturing scouting make sure you have a good Graphics for Long view distance)

directly from a dictionary. it means all these things.

Thanks for all those definitions, the young uns that think the word was invented for mmos make my head want to implode..! On the other hand I think the “range” part of the word is to imply someone who personally ranges far (not shoots long range) but that is speculation…

Prysin.8542:

James, please learn what a ranger truly is before trying to imply that you KNOW what it is. That whole post of yours made you look like a fool.

Yes, Prysin, that really helps. Tell someone they are wrong and then call them stupid.

There are two kinds of people,

One are those who are positive and would actually tell him what “ranger” actually means without callin them a fool.

The others are like you who find enjoyment in telling people they are wrong, nothing more.

You’d go to wikipedia or something anyway if someone asked you to tell us what ranger means.

EDIT:
Still, no one is wrong here in the context of GW2, since anet describes the ranger profession as unparallelled archers.

solrik.6028:

Prysin.8542:

James, please learn what a ranger truly is before trying to imply that you KNOW what it is. That whole post of yours made you look like a fool.

Yes, Prysin, that really helps. Tell someone they are wrong and then call them stupid.

There are two kinds of people,

One are those who are positive and would actually tell him what “ranger” actually means without callin them a fool.

The others are like you who find enjoyment in telling people they are wrong, nothing more.

You’d go to wikipedia or something anyway if someone asked you to tell us what ranger means.

EDIT:
Still, no one is wrong here in the context of GW2, since anet describes the ranger profession as unparallelled archers.

You’re wrong and stupid.

Nah jk, but thing is, even if rangers are unparallelled archers, in a game promoting “high risk high reward”, I feel like it’s weird to buff a ranged weapon ( where the risk is lower) when they should, in my honest opinion, buff ranged weapons more and make ranged weapons utilities/ gap maker weapons for recovering and harassing from range.

Tl; dr the buff to ranger isn’t what I’d be complaining about but the direction we are heading to. I also truly think rangers were already powerful in all game modes, and toning down the other classes like they did was enough.

thats the thing too , The term Ranger is used for guerrilla warfare and they will be Trained to be Accurate , since these guys are miles away from a Supply Depo for ammo and also need to be Quick to conserve said ammo or Animosity.

though it is Gw2 semi based in a fantasy world of Lore, where Rangers use Projectile bows and Axes it still follows the same Rules of the Defination for ranger.

solrik.6028:

Prysin.8542:

James, please learn what a ranger truly is before trying to imply that you KNOW what it is. That whole post of yours made you look like a fool.

Yes, Prysin, that really helps. Tell someone they are wrong and then call them stupid.

There are two kinds of people,

One are those who are positive and would actually tell him what “ranger” actually means without callin them a fool.

One who posts without knowing the basics is not the brightest guy thought…

Let’s not beat the dead horse any longer.

The point is, one of Anet’s core balancing philosophy is “Melee > Ranged.” Now you have something that throws tomatoes at that philosophy.

Personally I think the RF buff is highly needed, unless people want rangers to 1111111111 at 1000+. That being said, I don’t mind some nerfs on other skills.

Sarision.6347:

That being said, I don’t mind some nerfs on other skills.

Eerm.. no thanks?

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… see where this is going?

… oh yeah, also …

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The more you know …

Sarision.6347:

The point is, one of Anet’s core balancing philosophy is “Melee > Ranged.” Now you have something that throws tomatoes at that philosophy.

If that were the case, rangers would be using longbows at melee range instead of sword or GS. I’d say it’s more like their philosophy used to be:

Melee >> Ranged

but now it’s

Melee > Ranged

Melee is still better than ranged attacks It’s just not so overwhelmingly better that anybody who tries to fight from range and doesn’t stack is called a noob and kicked from groups. As I said before, the change makes a greater variety of playstyles viable, which is always a good thing.

I played a bit in PvP and using rapid fire with the most glassy build isn’t really effective. You’re screwed if someone is running around you or if there are 2.

Seriously, rapid fire can’t fight 2 people and a well played lb ranger can barely keep up against 2 people.

As a plus, anyone with any skill that can decrease distance is a threat because it’s easy to avoid most of the LB damage by running around the ranger, which will make skills like PBS and stealth fail.

solrik.6028:

I played a bit in PvP and using rapid fire with the most glassy build isn’t really effective. You’re screwed if someone is running around you or if there are 2.

Seriously, rapid fire can’t fight 2 people and a well played lb ranger can barely keep up against 2 people.

As a plus, anyone with any skill that can decrease distance is a threat because it’s easy to avoid most of the LB damage by running around the ranger, which will make skills like PBS and stealth fail.

So you dont know how to use LB…cause skilled LB rangers just get to higher places or coming from behind ppl and strike.not facebumping on enemy.Rangers can be callled “surprise buttsex”ers now.

ok so um yea, lol at the people giving literal definitions of the word ranger, especially considering I am one of those definitions (army ranger for almost 10 years now) however since when has anything in the gaming world ever been a literal translation? In every single game you will find on the market, a ranger is a RANGED specialist, that is their BEST weapon set, sure they can be played other ways especially in games that allow rangers to use other weapons than bows, but their ranged attacks will always outshine other weapons. however, thanks for the troll comments, it shows an obvious lack of intelligence, and a severe need for attention. the point of this thread was to emphasize the point that rangers are not ridiculously OMG OP, because they finally got a buff to their ranged skills, their melee still trumps that which is just silly. if I wanted to be a warrior, guardian, thief, I woulda picked that to begin with. not play a ranger and get stuck with melee as an only real means of survival and damage output.

Melee as the only means of Survival?!

Sir, please see those other classes … particularly Warrior longbow which is extremely prevalent and has been for some time now.

James.9427:

ok so um yea, lol at the people giving literal definitions of the word ranger, especially considering I am one of those definitions (army ranger for almost 10 years now) however since when has anything in the gaming world ever been a literal translation? In every single game you will find on the market, a ranger is a RANGED specialist, that is their BEST weapon set, sure they can be played other ways especially in games that allow rangers to use other weapons than bows, but their ranged attacks will always outshine other weapons. however, thanks for the troll comments, it shows an obvious lack of intelligence, and a severe need for attention. the point of this thread was to emphasize the point that rangers are not ridiculously OMG OP, because they finally got a buff to their ranged skills, their melee still trumps that which is just silly. if I wanted to be a warrior, guardian, thief, I woulda picked that to begin with. not play a ranger and get stuck with melee as an only real means of survival and damage output.

Dungeon and Dragons – enough said.

Also, drop the “10 years in the army” bragging. Noone cares really where anyone is from or what they do. It only makes things worse if you actually state that you’re part of any official government institution.

Well, the historical definition for ranger has already been stated. It just means someone who survives in the wilderness. A gameskeeper or someone who travels a lot.

If you go back to the grandaddy of all modern fantasy, Lord of the Rings, Aragorn was the first true fantasy ranger and he used a sword primarily. He HAD a bow, but it was a secondary weapon that he used when he needed it. Legolas was the ranged specialist and he wasn’t called a ranger at all.

Then you skip ahead to the grandaddy of all fantasy gaming, Dungeons and Dragons, and the ranger could easily be built for melee or ranged combat. Ranger wasn’t strictly limited to being an archer.

So while some games may have abandoned the roots of the ranger class in favor of having them be pure archers with a pet, I’m lookin’ at you WoW hunters, they were never associated purely with bows.

Rangers in GW2 are acutally very good at depicting what an iconic ranger is, and that is a character who can employ both melee and ranged weaponry and be effective in any circumstance. A survivor who can fight at all ranges.

Well James I have to agree with you 100%. Had the same discussion in my guild today. And ofcourse the rest of the people playing other classes were complaining bout getting killed by rangers at Range hehe. And ye we are not park rangers. Rangers – is and was always a ranged class in fantasy games heck go back 30 years to the the game that started it all D&D.

Sebrent.3625:

You can look up Ranger in a dictionary.
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This argument never really holds, though, when people argue that the ranger =/= bow user. Notably because of the ranger class description (I’m not verifying/endorsing the RANGEr definition, however:

“Rangers rely on a keen eye, a steady hand, and the power of nature itself. Unparalleled archers, rangers are capable of bringing down foes from a distance with their bows. With traps, nature spirits, and a stable of loyal pets at their command, rangers can adapt to any situation.”

Source:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/ranger/

that too but the Offical guide book when gw2 was Released said somthing like Rangers Excel at Range and Melee combat when they need to and can do both just as Effectively as the other.
then it reads the pet compainon part Using a Pet Requires Finesse and that all of it is quite True for a high skill ranger player.

we get use to it and it works.

Well if you look deeper into those Definitions , they Require use of a lot of weapons and need to be Trained with them so they can do any task they come across while out in the field.
weather that be Range or Melee, but for someone Trained to Survive , fighting from Range is a suitable choice for a higher chances of Survival(real world point of view)

so naturaly they will be Trained to be more Unparalleled with Range than Melee , though they arn’t particularly great or Bad at close Quarter combat.

though just like having a real Ranged weapon those don’t Carry any Defence vs someone weilding a Melee weapon, the closer you get the harder it Gets to Range, in the sense to Create space.

It really is an opposite Spectrum Range<——→melee the tools are there if used efficiently.

if anyone in real life used there tool unefficiently they would be in trouble too bad trouble.

but yes Anet Orginal Paragraph about Rangers Does Fit it more ,it makes more Sense than what people think it should be.

Apples and Oranges. both opposite of each other but a Mess if they ever clash Eww tastes horrid.