Guild Wars 2

for tommorrow’s patch thieves now get immob stacking venom and a main hand pistol immob shot that can be spammed…

How will we deal with this?? rangers already have no access to immob breaking skills…

We have weapon-based evades and some of the best passive condi-clenses in the game.

Plus, not the mention, a pistol thief is the least of a ranger’s worries.

No reason to fret about this.

We get a short duration reveal we can to use preemptively, on a long cooldown. Wohoo!

as cool as that pistol update is, its actually a thief nerf in terms of WVW. The more people that play that build, the less perma stealth thief you will have to deal with. Its going to become an annoying troll thing, but what everyone really needs to worry about is 3 turret Engis. This is going to be RIDICULOUS

u really think so? from the preview the thieves guild venom build seems to be op… u’d be immob for 12 seconds while they unload clips on u

Just want to point out that it costs 4 init, it can’t be spammed unless they want to waste all their init. It isn’t a big deal.

Zoia.3678:

We get a short duration reveal we can to use preemptively, on a long cooldown. Wohoo!

Kill the thief in 4 seconds or die…

that IMMO isnt a big deal and pistol is weak. they can unload on you and you can shrug. all it did was make warriors a better partner for them. immo+warrior burst is a huge problem, but for the thief itself its just more trolling

Thief pistol/pistol already has a repeatable daze and pistol/dagger a repeatable cripple. I’m guessing rangers are not too scared of those.

DiamondMeteor.8345:

We have weapon-based evades and some of the best passive condi-clenses in the game.

this is a total lie and shows you don’t play this class … …even the part about evades (which have animations twice as long as their actual Evasion tick)

urdriel.8496:

Kill the thief in 4 seconds or die…

Basically this… and it’s actually 2 seconds b/c the Thief has 2 dodges to use still.

Eh. It’s a short duration immobilize for 4 initiative. Too high of a cost to really be spammed for long and a P/P thief spamming immobilize isn’t dealing much damage.

Too many people crying about how pistol is a bad main hand so anet decided to buff it so that the thief can force you to just stand there while they pellet you to death because the class wasn’t easy enough as is.

I’d say maybe we aren’t shouting loud enough to get our weapon issues looked at but I don’t think that’s even possible.

urdriel.8496:

Kill the thief in 4 seconds or die…

You made my day.

Sad but true.

Only if we could get some love for ranged weapons and traits…mmm…dreams

ilr.9675:

this is a total lie and shows you don’t play this class … …even the part about evades (which have animations twice as long as their actual Evasion tick)

A wild PvE scrub appears!

Yeah I just got this game yesterday. I guess my 4381 hours on the ranger class and my Champion Hunter title means really nothing about my knowledge of the class.

It must be hard getting carried, thinking thieves are the bane of our existence. Thieves need buffs if anything.

idevourwater.3149:

for tommorrow’s patch thieves now get immob stacking venom and a main hand pistol immob shot that can be spammed…

How will we deal with this?? rangers already have no access to immob breaking skills…

Well it’s only balanced that they give them even more access to the hard counter of rangers now that we got a single soft counter to them on a 40s CD!!

/end sarcasm

We’ll have to face it Durz, Anet will never know what they’re talking about with Rangers until one or more members of their staff make a Ranger, level it to 80, and then play through sPvP, WvW, and every dungeon and fractal multiple times with different builds. Meaning we’ll never get balanced, since apparently it’s low priority for them to have staff members that are specialized in certain classes…especially since they fired the only talent who knew how it was for Ranger. No Anet, I will never forgive you for that.

i doubt that a lot of rangers will use Sic em just to counter 1 class or two. It’s a complete waste of skill slot. i run a spirit build and I couldnt afford to sacrifice one spirit just to give way for ’Sic Em.

Currently, a thief is the least of a ranger’s issue but with that buff that thieves will have, a ranger will be underpowered for sure. Sic Em reveal is a big joke.

rangers are dead, have been dead, and will be dead for many other reasons.

RyuDragnier.9476:

We’ll have to face it Durz, Anet will never know what they’re talking about with Rangers until one or more members of their staff make a Ranger, level it to 80, and then play through sPvP, WvW, and every dungeon and fractal multiple times with different builds. Meaning we’ll never get balanced, since apparently it’s low priority for them to have staff members that are specialized in certain classes…especially since they fired the only talent who knew how it was for Ranger. No Anet, I will never forgive you for that.

Actually, I heard Robert quit because he was tired of his content being temporary, I have absolutely NO idea if this is true or not though , just what I’ve heard.

Umm.. a thief can immob you for 3 seconds with that shot before running out of ini.. then venom (if anyone plays a venom build) 5 or so more seconds. I Don’t know if many will play venom builds as they are low dmg and doing a thieves guild burst with it is only ever three minutes…
Thieves may be hit hard this patch.. when they moused over thief remove condition every 3 seconds while in stealth trait it said every 10 seconds… that is a hell of a nerf and thieves will die to condition builds easily.

NO thief will use that new immobilize. It drains all their initiative for like 3 seconds total. The venom takes a utility slot that will instead be used for shadowstep, shadow refuge, or another better utility.

DiamondMeteor.8345:

ilr.9675:

this is a total lie and shows you don’t play this class … …even the part about evades (which have animations twice as long as their actual Evasion tick)

A wild PvE scrub appears!

Yeah I just got this game yesterday. I guess my 4381 hours on the ranger class and my Champion Hunter title means really nothing about my knowledge of the class.

It must be hard getting carried, thinking thieves are the bane of our existence. Thieves need buffs if anything.

You have a wildly inflated sense some self worth if you can assume that anyone here would know how many hours you’ve logged (as though that means anything) or that you have a champ hunter title.

“Thieves may be hit hard this patch.. when they moused over thief remove condition every 3 seconds while in stealth trait it said every 10 seconds… that is a hell of a nerf and thieves will die to condition builds easily.”

If that is true then there will probably be no thieves left to play against.

Stooperdale.3560:

“Thieves may be hit hard this patch.. when they moused over thief remove condition every 3 seconds while in stealth trait it said every 10 seconds… that is a hell of a nerf and thieves will die to condition builds easily.”

If that is true then there will probably be no thieves left to play against.

lol I am going to be so glad I held onto my rabid/rampager gear if this is true.

Substance E.4852:

You have a wildly inflated sense some self worth if you can assume that anyone here would know how many hours you’ve logged (as though that means anything) or that you have a champ hunter title.

Yeah I was on the fence about replying to him to be honest, but I guess I was offended that people would spout nonsense that others don’t know the profession from absolutely no idea of who that person may be.

And you’re right in saying those things don’t mean anything. But I will not be quiet while people talk trash about me when I know they are wrong. I guess I am a narcissist, oh well. Life ain’t perfect. I have no clue what I was thinking after seeing some other players in this game.

Stx.4857:

NO thief will use that new immobilize. It drains all their initiative for like 3 seconds total. The venom takes a utility slot that will instead be used for shadowstep, shadow refuge, or another better utility.

Have to agree with him here, this will be used as a very last effort to keep runners from a group fight from getting away. I really don’t think there’s that much to worry about.

DiamondMeteor.8345:

Substance E.4852:

You have a wildly inflated sense some self worth if you can assume that anyone here would know how many hours you’ve logged (as though that means anything) or that you have a champ hunter title.

Yeah I was on the fence about replying to him to be honest, but I guess I was offended that people would spout nonsense that others don’t know the profession from absolutely no idea of who that person may be.

And you’re right in saying those things don’t mean anything. But I will not be quiet while people talk trash about me when I know they are wrong. I guess I am a narcissist, oh well. Life ain’t perfect.

Understandable, I just get irked when people use game play time as a measure of experience when I myself have clocked more hours than I care to think about just standing around akitten LA/mists and messing around on my phone waiting for (pretty sure bugged) wvw queues to pop lol.

*that kitten is the acronym for away from keyboard, why is this censored on an mmo forum? Come on anet…

The solution is to make Lightning Reflexes break snares and remove its damage.

i really think it’s time to add immob/chill break on LR.

DiamondMeteor.8345:

ilr.9675:

this is a total lie and shows you don’t play this class … …even the part about evades (which have animations twice as long as their actual Evasion tick)

A wild PvE scrub appears!

Yeah I just got this game yesterday. I guess my 4381 hours on the ranger class and my Champion Hunter title means really nothing about my knowledge of the class.

It must be hard getting carried, thinking thieves are the bane of our existence. Thieves need buffs if anything.

IDGaF how many hours you have. When say we got the best condition removal, it’s a lie
And if you think our Evades are good then you need to play a class with REAL invulnerability (or atleast distortion)

so i heard immob gets a buff….hmm
How about this then?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNAT3YjEVN2xVeVo2CgVBAbF4kpoRHfFi1poUSLZDLB-TgAg0CnIASBkDIDQSgsAB

Mesmer’s have been doing this to us for donkey year’s and they do way more damage. If your worried about thief’s then stop spamming vs these builds….

ilr.9675:

IDGaF how many hours you have. When say we got the best condition removal, it’s a lie
And if you think our Evades are good then you need to play a class with REAL invulnerability (or atleast distortion)

But Rangers do have Empathic Bond, which is a pretty powerful albeit low skill ceiling condi-clense. If you read what I said, I said we have the best “passive” condi-clense, and that surely is no lie at all. I agree we need more active condi-clensing that directly removes conditions on demand (Signet of Renewal counts I guess, but 48s traited is still bad), but you should have made that more clear instead of personally offending me. It’s hard to not be offended by your comments when you so arbitrarily post, making me assume what you’re thinking while questioning my experience as a backbone to your argument. Can we just talk about Rangers instead of hitting me with ad hominem?

Also, I’m still going to reiterate and defend my original stance: our weapon evades define our class when built properly. No serious player ignores this. Playing ranger is absolutely easy against a thief, end of. You’re immobilized? Chew your Stalker, Serpents, Quick Shot. The only time you’d ever have to use your weapon-based evades is when you are rooted, because you know you can safely anticipate an enemy burst while they think you’re vulnerable.

Rangers can build tanky with Forge runes and Settlers ammy, earning high regen + toughness, while birds burst for them. You’re right, the weapon-evades alone don’t do everything. But stacked with our other defensive mechanics it’s a downright joke to even consider a Thief being stronger than us.

If you’re having trouble against thieves then that’s your prerogative. No other decent Ranger would ever have a problem with a thief.

E/ Also, are you discreetly implying that because Mesmers have distortion they are somehow stronger than us in tpvp? Just because a profession has a class mechanic that gives them invulnerability doesn’t make them better than us. Try playing a Mesmer in this current meta, people laugh at that kitten.

Pistol immobilize(4 ini) + unload(5 ini) = 9 initiative. Leaving us with 3 initiative.
No thief would do that. Instead they could do 2 unloads for 10 initiative.

About condi cleanse, what about soldier rune + shouts? specially with sick em change?

Oh and guard on 12 sec….

Did anyone tried this? i’ve got it on my mind for quite a time now…i still wait for patchnotes to see changes on bear, because they said bear removing only one condition was not cool enough so we can have hope to see it changed today…