Ok, let me preface this by stating that I know that the Revenant isn’t even released yet and that all numbers/skills/mechanics etc. are subject to change. But in my napkin-math theorycrafting, I can’t currently see any compelling reason to not take the Herald elite specialisation.
Even if you were to completely ignore shield and Glint, you still get 40-50% uptime on AoE Fury, Might, Regen and Swiftness and ~25% on Protection via One with Nature. This completely overshadows whatever perks your tertiary specialisation would otherwise provide, especially given that the other Herald traits are quite general-purpose and can be useful in many different roles.
What am I missing here? Is anyone planning a Revenant build that doesn’t use Herald?
why waste hours doing something that you get nothing for? Enjoyment? I’d rather run fractals.
All of the other trait lines are pretty strong. Personally, from a PvP perspective I find the Herald traits to be the weakest by far, the shield to be okay, the dragon stance to be somewhat mediocre, and it’s heal to be easily countered. On the other hand, the F2 is really nice.
I’m already having a tough time choosing between stability on dodge, resistance on mallyx skills, the damage from devestation, and 100% crit chance with fury.
Overall, I don’t think I’m going to use it. And, if I do, I won’t be using dragon stance.
We will find out next beta. But that extra stab 6sec stab on a dodge and aoe reveal..hmm..will be hard to give up +due to swiftness you dont have to run traveler anymore.
As for the heal, if you get 5k off it (2k initial..) you can count it as success as thats basically the same amount as Jalis one. If its insta which work also under cc it wont be a problem i believe.
We will find out next beta. But that extra stab 6sec stab on a dodge and aoe reveal..hmm..will be hard to give up +due to swiftness you dont have to run traveler anymore.
As for the heal, if you get 5k off it (2k initial..) you can count it as success as thats basically the same amount as Jalis one. If its insta which work also under cc it wont be a problem i believe.
That stab trait is pretty strong. With energy sigils that’s a whole lot of not getting CC’d. Leaves some pretty tough choices trait wise.
I’m afraid of buffs to salvation to make it more viable outside of heal-botting. Would make the decision way too hard.
I would say that for me this trait is a reason why i want to go for heral in the first place. I found rest to be quite lackluster tbh. Too much focus on support. It all depends how Jalis will play out now. Boons are fine and all..but i dont like to rely too much on them.
Well since revenant was designed as a new class, theres no doubt that herald will feel like another core spec espesially when it fix many of revenant issues. I personally hope they tone down this spec/bring up core to herald otherwise it may be problematic for future elite specs to top this one. After all if it end up too good to not have we will always look in the future specs as “meh, herald is better” unless they make them really op.
The f2 active on it own is already strong as f..pair that with high uptime pulsing fury, protection on demand etc.. atm Glint seems to be tankier than Jalis while offering also great support. Outside of condi builds i dont know how you can not take herald in it current form.
Herald give very good boons support and some dmg boost first because of it utility I can get runes with more dps also i add up great to mu DPS bunker build based on self heal debuffing and dmg mitigation
In theory on calculator looks good will see when beta come …. I was a bit sad fro Necro Gs but I reroll to reventant so I will join next beta ^^
Glint useless in pvp? Kitten button which has potential to heal back to full on 30cd along with aoe short cd reveal and high protection and fury offensive builds/tanky builds? Thats definitely useless in pvp..O.o
The olny thing useless here is shield due to how bad skill 5 is.
That defiance bar is bad in pvp where people have a brain, but it’s pretty good in pve. It’s basically a 4k heal with no incoming damage and conditions (except the one from previous condis) and 4s stability. There aren’t many bosses that use a lot CC in a row currently.
I have mixed feelings for it in wvw. More bads then goods.
Shield4 is basically Guardian’s with no damage, more healing and way less protection. It’s nice only because we also get Might via trait from it, plus a lot of healing that is always good (just pop it right on you if needed).
I’m still not sure if Revenant is viable for a bunker build. I’d be happy id that’s the case. However I can see Glint in that, but not shield unfortunately (I’m a big shield lover).
It’s like anyone that says Glint / Shield is useless in pvp, is completely unaware of the existence of bunker builds.
Well, considering what Glint and Shield do, I don’t see the use for bunkering. Now, I’m not saying they’re bad, but the bunker role is a poor example here.
Honestly, Revs who want to bunker will likely just stay Revenants by the look of things.
It’s like anyone that says Glint / Shield is useless in pvp, is completely unaware of the existence of bunker builds.
Well, considering what Glint and Shield do, I don’t see the use for bunkering. Now, I’m not saying they’re bad, but the bunker role is a poor example here.
Honestly, Revs who want to bunker will likely just stay Revenants by the look of things.
You might want to read the current guardian meta, designed to team support / hold.
You might want to read the current guardian meta, designed to team support / hold.
I’m aware of what’s in right now; It’s my opinion that Glint doesn’t give enough to fill that specific role. I’m replying to your example of bunkering, not the potential of the Herald in other areas.
You might want to read the current guardian meta, designed to team support / hold.
I’m aware of what’s in right now; It’s my opinion that Glint doesn’t give enough to fill that specific role. I’m replying to your example of bunkering, not the potential of the Herald in other areas.
To put it simply: It’s missing condition cleansing and stability.
I can see many dying many times in Crystal Hibernation to a couple burn stacks and poison or to a thief ambushing you with basilisk venom and sleight of hand. Those are just 1v1 scenarios too, in a team fight a herald looks like it would be food for a coordinated team.
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So, I haven’t seen anyone stating that 3 core specs > 2 core specs + Herald (incl. F2). Shield and Dragon Stance are both optional so they are irrelevant to the discussion.
Is anyone planning a Revenant build that doesn’t use Herald?
why waste hours doing something that you get nothing for? Enjoyment? I’d rather run fractals.
Elite specs are ELITE, meaning they’re usually better then normal specs.
This is incorrect. They are “elite” in the sense that they change how the class is played/make it do something different. They are not designed to be better than core specs at all. This was stated by the devs when they started talking about them.
I would like to see some one with ventari/glint (staff+ —- + shield ) combo on teh next beta.
Wait till next beta weekend and look for me, i was intending to use a Devastattion ( for the siphoning grandmaster) Salvation for the regen orbs on staff and Herald for the perma Protection.
Gear wise still not sure to go either knight or cleric but on paper that thing has the potential to be on par with hammer bunker guardian.
So, I haven’t seen anyone stating that 3 core specs > 2 core specs + Herald (incl. F2). Shield and Dragon Stance are both optional so they are irrelevant to the discussion.
Is anyone planning a Revenant build that doesn’t use Herald?
Perhaps because it’s more of a 3 core specs = 2 core specs + Herald?
Why does one or the other have to be greater? It would appear to me that it would depend on what you want to do with the Revy.
Perhaps because it’s more of a 3 core specs = 2 core specs + Herald?
Why does one or the other have to be greater? It would appear to me that it would depend on what you want to do with the Revy.
You’re right, I should have asked if they’re equal because that’s what they should be. Herald just feels a bit mandatory right now, in that 3 core specs offers less than 2 core specs + Herald.
It’s just that I can’t think of any situations where a third core specialisation would benefit a particular build more than simply taking Herald. That’s why I started this thread: so people could share such situations or builds with me, to help put that feeling to rest. Unfortunately, nobody seems to have any specific examples so far.
why waste hours doing something that you get nothing for? Enjoyment? I’d rather run fractals.
Shield, if you plan on using skill 5, is going to be really difficult to bunker a point with. The enemy can decap around you. It would have to be used very sparingly, as in only when you have allies with you. As it is now, good bunker guards generally don’t risk using RF; most don’t have to, and Feel My Wrath is far better for a quick Empower heal.
If you can maintain a duo on a point, though, then yes shield 5 would be very useful.
If shield isn’t helpful, then don’t equip shield? Unless you think that not taking a shield somehow weakens the Herald traits or One with Nature, I don’t understand the relevance of your post.
why waste hours doing something that you get nothing for? Enjoyment? I’d rather run fractals.
Ironically, from a PvE perspective, Herald will be the third line as it’s the least bad of all the bad ones besides Devastation/Invocation.
Salvation has too much healing power centric garbage that is useless on a berserker/sinister build, retribution is about taunts and retaliation(terrible boon for pve) and tanking, which you don’t want to do on berserker.
So it’ll probably be herald, which is still bad and too “supportish” in a bad way (it doesn’t really boost your group’s offense much and its defensive features cost you energy to upkeep which means less ability to do damage).
I would like to see some one with ventari/glint (staff+ —- + shield ) combo on teh next beta.
Wait till next beta weekend and look for me, i was intending to use a Devastattion ( for the siphoning grandmaster) Salvation for the regen orbs on staff and Herald for the perma Protection.
Gear wise still not sure to go either knight or cleric but on paper that thing has the potential to be on par with hammer bunker guardian.
Cant wait seriously…
P.S. Tgis is for PvE tanking not PvP
no worries, i dont pve but all i need to observe the gameplay
1st April joke, when gw2 receives a “balance” update.
If shield isn’t helpful, then don’t equip shield? Unless you think that not taking a shield somehow weakens the Herald traits or One with Nature, I don’t understand the relevance of your post.
It’s not my job to make you understand the relevance of my post. Several people above commented on the use of shield as a bunker utility, I was offering my opinion on it.
