Guild Wars 2

Tl;Dr is below, I know that I write too much, >.< Sorry.
I’ve run into quite the problem of having practically no condition cleanse, besides on stance swap, dodge(Both of those cleanses do one condition) and staff 4. I could spec into dwarf/centaur stance, but that has just one conditions cleansing ability, one of which is tied to the tablet that is quite useless in my opinion.

The way I see it is that I can’t deal with conditions unless I have Mallyx, or dwarf stance + all the single condition removal traits, to be able to combat conditions. That is what i was pretty much forced to do, give up a stance (Sorry Shiro) for another stance just because of conditions. I’m not very kittened off, but this really screws with my build considering that I can’t play what i want because of one thing. This doesn’t affect other classes in the same way as it does with this, because in any class you can equip conditions clears without completely butchering your intended build, but since skills come in sets i can’t do that. A simple way to fix this is to change condition removal traits, to 2 conditions removed, and give certain skills the ability to cleanse conditions. I don’t want this to get in the way of how the stances are meant to work, (Shiro is a damage oriented stance, so it wouldn’t make sense for it to be a condition cleansing machine) but I want to be able to survive from conditions without completely changing my build. I don’t want to equip condition dealing stance(Mallyx) when i am running power, in the same way as someone who is running conditions wouldn’t really want to go on a power prioritized stance(Shiro) with no conditions.

I’m definitely having problems with conditions in PvP, but also in PvE, where I am quite confident that the developers intentionally added more condition based enemies so that people would be encouraged to equip condition cleanses, but what is the point of that if I don’t have much condition counter in the first place? In fact, even Mallyx doesn’t cleanse conditions, he just weakens the affect of them.

Tl;Dr: Revenant needs condition cleanse outside of just one stance, and a few ineffective traits.

I think we just have to assume that the utilities are incomplete and not what they’re aiming at testing right now.

To some degree this is how I feel, there’s also the issue of, at least in my opinion, that all the mallyx utilities cost way too much energy. When swapping legends to mallyx when you need to deal with condis in PvP, you get one choice of utility skill then you have to sit and wait 3-4 seconds before you can do anything but autoattack. I’d prefer if certain utilities regardless of their stance had a CD to help reduce energy cost and not be too strong through spamming when* possible.

Yeah I agree that Mallyx has too high energy costs when they’re needed to survive a condi burst. I also hate that there’s no stunbreak in Mallyx, which can screw you over if you fight something like a taunt spam trap ranger, even though you should have the advantage.

I have the same feeling

When you’re in a teamfight against ele/necros (basically always nowdays) u’re really struck on Mallyx if u want to have chances to survive, and resitsance is not really safe 100% cuz boon removal (necros mainly but mesmer and thief too).

And the energy cost is a really huge pain to deal with the immense condi pressure in a team fight if necros and eles are involved.

Except for the break stun in Mallyx, I think Revenant has every tools but energy in general is not really well balanced.

1v1’d a condi engi on point with Assassin and Dragon. The self-healing with good use of the blocking and evading skills is strong enough to hold out. Toward the end I did have to start obstructing and probably would have lost in the end, but I lasted 2 minutes on the point keeping it neutral. Every build has to have a weakness. As for Shiro, it’s mandatory to escape immobilise if you’re running squishy.

Edit: Definitely agree that the energy cost of the Demon utilities are too high. The taunt utility on Dwarf too... And I hate that condition. In my opinion only mesmers a little and ranger’s birds should be able to use it.

Actually Shiro had a ton of condition remove in GW1 so the idea of him having at least something isn’t so far away at least lore wise.

Also Jalis, Ventari and Staff have condicleanse. So if you want to hard counter Condition build around it. If nkt, you have to eat the condition. Seems mlike a fair trade off

This is fair as is. Revenant is really strong right now, so it needs some weakness. If you’re not willing to pickup Mallyx then beware of condition builds, otherwise zerker revs will be unstoppable.

I run the Marauder build in PvP with Shiro/Glint and you can always just take Lyssa given the low cd ults and general boon synergy. Offensive stats are high enough anyway.

More or less perma stability in Retribution w/ energy sigils.

Condi cleanse for Burn Guard/Poison and Stun break in Invocation.

This leaves one open trail line: Hearld for D or Devastation for Ferocity/Dmg.

Dwarf Stance 3 condi cleanse on heal.

Yes, condi bombs hurt when not in Mallyx, but to say there is no way to deal w/ a condi bomb isn’t exactly truthful either.

The mobility / evades are in Shiro w/ Sword are huge as well.

Lastly, as someone else said, Lyssa is really good too… couple that w/ a Crusader amulet and 40% crit from Fury w/ an Accuracy sigil will put you at about 60% crit chance.

In Solo/Roam and PvP play it’s pretty clear that Malyx is going to take the front stage as our go-to build because it’s the only one that can deal with Conditions. Couple that with Shiro having the most reliable methods for stun break and in combat mobility pretty much means that you’re going to see Shiro/Malyx on a Corruption/Retribution/??? build as standard for that level of play.

In other game modes, large scale WvW and PvE, conditions don’t play as much of a part or are dealt with a large amount of AOE condition removal.