[Maguuma] Since BETA – Just Bri
When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.
When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.
Deleted Rev Today
no need to delete unless you need the char slot. But im with you, will only be using my rev for pve
Your typical average gamer -
“Buff my main class, nerf everything else. "
“Buff my main class, nerf everything else. "
no need to delete unless you need the char slot. But im with you, will only be using my rev for pve
While I did need a character slot, I’d even argue that an empty character slot is in a better place than Rev right now.
[Maguuma] Since BETA – Just Bri
When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.
When you do things right, people won’t be sure you’ve done anything at all.
Putting Alacrity on Ventari is nice but they never addressed the core reason why people don’t use it. It’s clunky and doesn’t really flow with the rest of a Revenant’s Offense. At least for me.
I think my hope is gone… looking at all the shiny new toys every other class has got today and we got… umm… Oh yeah Vengeful Hammer buff. Cool?
Same, I wanted to give the Profession a try but there’s literally no point. It shouldn’t even be considered a support class, it can’t support itself let alone its allies. ANET clearly needs to quit slacking off and start fixing the class, because whatever they attempted to do did nothing but make the class worse. Rev is officially the worst class in the game, in my book at least. Warrior is King for DPS, Guard is King for Tank, Mesmer is King for Support. There is literally no reason to even try to grind with a Rev anymore, the trash mobs in open world are practically mini-bosses against it now. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. I seriously do feel for you Rev mains, I’ve never seen a class as bad as this in ANY MMO I’ve ever played.
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After seeing the patch notes I really can’t find the words to explain the current state of the profession.
Best of those who are willing to stick with it, your resolve is beyond mine.
Good bye Rev.
Rev still good in WvW. Patches didn’t affect much so no help but no harm. Just switch modes!
After seeing the patch notes I really can’t find the words to explain the current state of the profession.
Best of those who are willing to stick with it, your resolve is beyond mine.
Good bye Rev.
Rev still good in WvW. Patches didn’t affect much so no help but no harm. Just switch modes!
Rev good in WvW ZERGS. Terrible roaming class.
Strange, I am quite happy with my Rev in open world PvE and in Fractals.
Thats actually a good idea for a protest. Delete rev to show devs what do you think about their recent patch. I logged in and deleted my rev as well. Not that i care much but.. lul
Salt, salt, moar salt. So salty like fries from McDonald!
Playing Smite since mid s2, f broken gw2.
Playing Smite since mid s2, f broken gw2.
Strange, I am quite happy with my Rev in open world PvE and in Fractals.
Yup. Revs are fine for open world/Fractals and even raids, but comparatively speaking, Revs is the worst overall class. They provide literally nothing to the table that other classes cannot, and other classes do it better.
Strange, I am quite happy with my Rev in open world PvE and in Fractals.
Same. I enjoy playing my rev in open world and for low level fractals (I don’t really do much fractals) my point is for open world its very high dps and a blast to play.
I don’t like wvw zergs so don’t play for my rev. I prefer my War and Dh for small group roaming.
Your typical average gamer -
“Buff my main class, nerf everything else. "
“Buff my main class, nerf everything else. "
Strange, I am quite happy with my Rev in open world PvE and in Fractals.
Yup. Revs are fine for open world/Fractals and even raids, but comparatively speaking, Revs is the worst overall class. They provide literally nothing to the table that other classes cannot, and other classes do it better.
Quoted for the truth.
TBH, the Ventari changes for once look promising. And the PvE damage output in raids and fractals should be slightly stronger due to hammers buff. Overall though Rev lacks diversity, as sword is the only effective weapon. Weak in PvP, except as boon bot and rez stomp.
I was hoping either staff and/or hammer become usable in PvE and Jalis become usable in PvP. Ventari maybe okaish, but it will not be played as a support role competitively in any game mode.
Rev still good in WvW. Patches didn’t affect much so no help but no harm. Just switch modes!
If you want ranged damage in a zerg you use Necros; if you want party support, boons and cleanses you use either Guardians or Eles; finally if you want mele damage and sustain you go Warrior.
Strange, I am quite happy with my Rev in open world PvE and in Fractals.
Yup. Revs are fine for open world/Fractals and even raids, but comparatively speaking, Revs is the worst overall class. They provide literally nothing to the table that other classes cannot, and other classes do it better.
For me personally, Rev is cool, because it is relatively simple to play it in PvE, Fractals and Raids.
I am relatively older player (52 y.o.) and I hate complex rotations etc.
So far I have:
1. Tempest – very good class, but low health and dying too frequently in Raids/Dungs
2. Druid – nice and very good for solo in PvE
3. Condi necro – also OK, but nothing fancy in Raids after nerf last year.
4. Revenant – I really like this class
5. PS Warrior – I really do not like this class.
6. Chrono – too complex for me
Vengeful Hammers are pretty good now guys. Just stay away from walls though as per usual. :P
Also PSA: If you’re gonna delete your Revs make sure to salvage/bank what you can first!
Vengeful Hammers are pretty good now guys. Just stay away from walls though as per usual. :P
Also PSA: If you’re gonna delete your Revs make sure to salvage/bank what you can first!
Still too expensive energy usage
Strange, I am quite happy with my Rev in open world PvE and in Fractals.
Yup. Revs are fine for open world/Fractals and even raids, but comparatively speaking, Revs is the worst overall class. They provide literally nothing to the table that other classes cannot, and other classes do it better.
For me personally, Rev is cool, because it is relatively simple to play it in PvE, Fractals and Raids.
I am relatively older player (52 y.o.) and I hate complex rotations etc.So far I have:
1. Tempest – very good class, but low health and dying too frequently in Raids/Dungs
2. Druid – nice and very good for solo in PvE
3. Condi necro – also OK, but nothing fancy in Raids after nerf last year.
4. Revenant – I really like this class
5. PS Warrior – I really do not like this class.
6. Chrono – too complex for me
And I’m glad that you feel this way! Play the class you most enjoy! That is by far the most important thing.
Having said that, please understand why other Rev players, especially those that main this class are upset. This class is fine for solo play, but never ideal/wanted for structured group play.
Need DPS? Ele, Thiefs, Ranger, Guardian, Engi are better
Need Support? Chrono, Druid, PS War, are better
Need Heals? Druid, Ele, are better
Need Tank? Revs can’t tank despite Jalis (cause Jalis is trash).
Vengeful Hammers are pretty good now guys. Just stay away from walls though as per usual. :P
Also PSA: If you’re gonna delete your Revs make sure to salvage/bank what you can first!
Still too expensive energy usage
Disagree. The energy cost for hammers is fine. By the time you are almost out of energy, you need to swap back to Glint anyway. It’s the other skills with Jalis that need major reduction in energy costs.
Vengeful Hammers are pretty good now guys. Just stay away from walls though as per usual. :P
Also PSA: If you’re gonna delete your Revs make sure to salvage/bank what you can first!
Still too expensive energy usage
Disagree. The energy cost for hammers is fine. By the time you are almost out of energy, you need to swap back to Glint anyway. It’s the other skills with Jalis that need major reduction in energy costs.
Agree totally. I feel like I can’t really use Jalis for anything but Vengeful Hammers because the other skills cost way too much. I can sneak in skill here or there but then I’m left with nearly nothing for anything else… it’s frustrating to say the least.
I tried to like this class. I really did. But I couldn’t stand it. It’s the one class I don’t have leveled to 80, or any level since I deleted it months ago. Maybe I’ll check back in a year or two and see if it’s become playable for me.
I don’t know, isn’t there a way to push them into reworking revenant? Like a signature collection or something?
I think all of you need to wait a week, let the meta settle and I am sure you will be surpised to find that rev will be one of the pillars of raid group in both pve and wvw.
Spvp, I can’t see the changes helping though
[Cya] TC Roamer/Scout
I Play WvW to have fun. I don’t find it fun anymore. Therefore I don’t play.
I Play WvW to have fun. I don’t find it fun anymore. Therefore I don’t play.
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Well, there’s glimmers, like further tablet QoL stuff. It has the potential to feel cool to anybody that enjoys controlling the area around you, but it needs to feel very responsive for such a feature to have any place and it never really did. Hopefully this helps.
It’s somewhat bewildering that the class that arrived along with the introduction of tanking/healing, has never really functioned well at either though, while established classes has flourished in some cases. It suggests there is something fundamental holding back Rev here, and personally I think it has to do with the legend split.
A lot of the design is favouring you swapping between two to utilize all the energy resources available to you, traits and such that synergizes, but for tanking and healing there is much less incentive to swap because critical abilities are locked away until you can swap again. You are essentially functioning better as half a class, but it is still only half a class, even if that is a bit of an oversimplification. Like, if I’m healing in Ventari, chances are I simply cannot risk swapping out very often depending on the encounter. Not sure what to do about this and the bad feeling it brings.
I think all of you need to wait a week, let the meta settle and I am sure you will be surpised to find that rev will be one of the pillars of raid group in both pve and wvw.
Spvp, I can’t see the changes helping though
what the ****.
Rev got literally nothing, while every other class was buffed.
Why should the buffed version of the previous meta include kitteneless class?
Please explain.
I think all of you need to wait a week, let the meta settle and I am sure you will be surpised to find that rev will be one of the pillars of raid group in both pve and wvw.
Spvp, I can’t see the changes helping though
what the ****.
Rev got literally nothing, while every other class was buffed.
Why should the buffed version of the previous meta include kitteneless class?
Please explain.
Offensively we didnt get any buffs(other than much needed fixes for the mace and axe). I don’t think anet want us to be a main dps class, instead a support class. The changes to ventari are huge in the support role for both wvw and pve. Moving the tablet is now basically free, and roughly a 3k heal every 3 seconds. The changes with natural harmony make healing power actually scale with the tablet. I’ve seen numbers as high as 13k heals from this skill alone.
The addition of alacrity confuses a lot of players. A lot of people are jumping to conclusions. A single mesmer and a ventari can keep the buff up permanently on a group of 10 in raids. A ventari rev brings a lot more group support and damage compared to a second mesmer by brining boon duration, 150 ferocity for the group, and a slew of useful boons (protection, might, furry, regen).
Lastly, in wvw alacrity is being used to speed up siege for faster assaults as well as huge front line heals. Last night I was able to sustain a group under 3 arrow carts with just my own heals. Something that normally takes a group of people blasting water fields to do so. I fully predict that ventari will become staple in wvw. It has huge heals, decent range damage in a mara/zealot mix, on demand light fields, and oodles of protection.
[Cya] TC Roamer/Scout
I Play WvW to have fun. I don’t find it fun anymore. Therefore I don’t play.
I Play WvW to have fun. I don’t find it fun anymore. Therefore I don’t play.
I think all of you need to wait a week, let the meta settle and I am sure you will be surpised to find that rev will be one of the pillars of raid group in both pve and wvw.
Spvp, I can’t see the changes helping though
what the ****.
Rev got literally nothing, while every other class was buffed.
Why should the buffed version of the previous meta include kitteneless class?
Please explain.Offensively we didnt get any buffs(other than much needed fixes for the mace and axe). I don’t think anet want us to be a main dps class, instead a support class. The changes to ventari are huge in the support role for both wvw and pve. Moving the tablet is now basically free, and roughly a 3k heal every 3 seconds. The changes with natural harmony make healing power actually scale with the tablet. I’ve seen numbers as high as 13k heals from this skill alone.
The addition of alacrity confuses a lot of players. A lot of people are jumping to conclusions. A single mesmer and a ventari can keep the buff up permanently on a group of 10 in raids. A ventari rev brings a lot more group support and damage compared to a second mesmer by brining boon duration, 150 ferocity for the group, and a slew of useful boons (protection, might, furry, regen).
Lastly, in wvw alacrity is being used to speed up siege for faster assaults as well as huge front line heals. Last night I was able to sustain a group under 3 arrow carts with just my own heals. Something that normally takes a group of people blasting water fields to do so. I fully predict that ventari will become staple in wvw. It has huge heals, decent range damage in a mara/zealot mix, on demand light fields, and oodles of protection.
Sadly ventari is not a good support class.
Supporting is not just about healing, and for a supporter, ventari sucks
I’ve gotta say, the most recent changes, while being of benefit to Ventari, aren’t all too amazing nor deal with a number of the other really pressing core issues.
Hammer is still a poor ranged weapon, Sword 2 still bugs out and #3 and Confusion is still a thing. Jalis is still garbage, and buffing Veng.Hammers does almost nothing when they can still break from a nearby wall. Mallyx is still a mess and Shiro’s been gutted so hard that its more of a Legendary toothpick than an Assassin.
I dont mind Revenants being able to support competently – and the buffs to Ventari do help and are appreciated – but why not show some love to the other underappreciated facets of the profession or at least address the other critical points that have been brought up time and time again?
As much as I hate to say it, I’ve been considering following suit with the others ITT (though I still love the idea of the profession ). The constant nerfing and the lack of relatively impactful changes across the board (barring Ventari as of recent, which I dont enjoy using anyway) is grating.
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imo, If you compare class in radar chart , rev will be all rounder like mid field when you play soccer.
about Jalis update, I test Herald/Jalis. It is quite stable. DPS miggt not fast compare to Herald/Shiro but survival rate is too high. in close range combat.
My build is hybrid zerg/captain Pow 2200 and Tough 3000 when use Vengeful hammer not count still 20% reduction. play with drain style you can survive quite long and can drain your rival at the same time whether you knockdown. also hammer can multiply dmg with critical. Really suit for PVE and Raid. Cannot KO from Legend or champion in one or two hit.
only weak point are you cant kill with few sec like Shiro.
I think all of you need to wait a week, let the meta settle and I am sure you will be surpised to find that rev will be one of the pillars of raid group in both pve and wvw.
Spvp, I can’t see the changes helping though
what the ****.
Rev got literally nothing, while every other class was buffed.
Why should the buffed version of the previous meta include kitteneless class?
Please explain.Offensively we didnt get any buffs(other than much needed fixes for the mace and axe). I don’t think anet want us to be a main dps class, instead a support class. The changes to ventari are huge in the support role for both wvw and pve. Moving the tablet is now basically free, and roughly a 3k heal every 3 seconds. The changes with natural harmony make healing power actually scale with the tablet. I’ve seen numbers as high as 13k heals from this skill alone.
The addition of alacrity confuses a lot of players. A lot of people are jumping to conclusions. A single mesmer and a ventari can keep the buff up permanently on a group of 10 in raids. A ventari rev brings a lot more group support and damage compared to a second mesmer by brining boon duration, 150 ferocity for the group, and a slew of useful boons (protection, might, furry, regen).
Lastly, in wvw alacrity is being used to speed up siege for faster assaults as well as huge front line heals. Last night I was able to sustain a group under 3 arrow carts with just my own heals. Something that normally takes a group of people blasting water fields to do so. I fully predict that ventari will become staple in wvw. It has huge heals, decent range damage in a mara/zealot mix, on demand light fields, and oodles of protection.
Sadly ventari is not a good support class.
Supporting is not just about healing, and for a supporter, ventari sucks
healing protection regen light field projectile protection condition removal knockbacks and cooldown reductions your right not a support class because it doesnt provide the team with absolute immortality under all circumstances like none of the other classes do.
I’m glad some people actually get it, Yeah Revenant is fun as a distraction, but would you actually consider using a Revenant as your main? They are outclassed by almost everything else, the only thing they are vaguely good at since the recent “changes” (which were token at best) is a Ventari/Glint Herald support build, Jalis and Mallyx condi build? (my sad desperate attempt at a viable build btw) forget it, Condi Reaper will easily blow you out of the water both in terms of damage and sustain, Shiro? Oh neat, he can teleport and dodge and sometimes he has a stun…forget impossible odds far too expensive an energy cost
I’m glad some people actually get it, Yeah Revenant is fun as a distraction, but would you actually consider using a Revenant as your main?
It was really close to being my main, second only to my ranger. I really love the idea behind legends and being a jack of all trades you could sorta build to be great at something. Whether it was the straight up Power type of Shiro+Glint, the Hybrid DD Mallyx+Shiro, or the “boonbot” Glint/Jalis there was at least a little versatility.
Then they went about gutting Shiro, making power builds struggle, gutted Malyx from the Beta builds and left it in poor shape, Jalis is buggy/expensive af at the cost of being mostly ineffective…but hey, at least they did something to Ventari.
That’s before all the other weird bugs and issues that aren’t just minor inconveniences, but straight up negatively impact the class on the regular. If the devs ever actually address the other stuff, I could see myself playing mine more.
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Don’t bring up beta mallyx…I’ll start crying again, side note what the hell happened to invocation? I remember back in beta invocation had this idea of swirling orb mists that you get on the default traits, they healed allies when they got hit and when you swapped legends you would “breath” them in to heal up, that idea sounded awesome, but NOPE “Uhh…here’s some minor things buffing fury DONE!” something rev got gutted from beta to release and it has never been fixed
I can say though, Ventari has become actually viable, he’s no longer clunky and buggy, everything feels super smooth and, can’t believe I can actually say this, powerful, every 3 seconds and 5 energy he can heal 800hp (on a build completely devoid of salvation and healing power gear) in a line…(too bad its easily the lamest legend of em all) Hopefully Arenanet have finally pulled their heads out from there behinds and will be giving Mallyx and Jalis the same treatment in the next few patches (and also a bit o Shiro fixing yeah?)
I have mained a necro in wvw since launch, currently using the broken viper bleed build – yet for some reason my rev in zerker gear can still get almost twice the dps with more sustain. I love my necro, but I still gravitate towards playing on my rev in almost all situations.
WvW Necro