Guild Wars 2

I’m a fairly casual player and I mostly do solo PvE and fractals. How is revenant doing at the moment? I know every profession can be used but I’m a little bit obsessed with playing a profession that is useful. There seems to be a lot of complaints here and are they justified? Are there any buffs coming that we know of? How do they compare to the guardian?

Thanks for any help

Kallsbo.8964:

I’m a fairly casual player and I mostly do solo PvE and fractals. How is revenant doing at the moment? I know every profession can be used but I’m a little bit obsessed with playing a profession that is useful. There seems to be a lot of complaints here and are they justified? Are there any buffs coming that we know of? How do they compare to the guardian?

Thanks for any help

I’ll let the more experienced players respond in detail, but any class is fine in PvE. Revenants are fine, they just aren’t as good as most other classes — rangers, warriors, guardians, necros are way better for open world PvE. But you’ll get by fine on a Rev. At least they look cool.

Buffs? /shrug Your guess is as good as anyone’s. Anet doesn’t give out info about buffs in advance.
Guardians? Guardians are better.

Rev’s are great, they can provide team wide buffs, tank, support, DPS straight or Condi. They’re a pretty versatile class and are just as good as Guardians (I mained Guardian pre-HoT, have not looked back since), so don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

They take some getting used to with cooldown and energy mechanics (which should really be an either / or) but are pretty kitten rewarding when mastered.

Having played every single class and made multiple builds for each one (bar Chronomancer, can’t seem to find one I’m happy with), Rev will always be my go-to.

There are better picks for literally any role. No reason to play rev at all.

Protip – Ignore anything Burtnik says about Rev. I’ve yet to see any sort of positive from him, so I can only imagine he’s a player who either can’t build the Rev, or is a PVP person

Kallsbo.8964:

I’m a fairly casual player and I mostly do solo PvE and fractals. How is revenant doing at the moment? I know every profession can be used but I’m a little bit obsessed with playing a profession that is useful. There seems to be a lot of complaints here and are they justified? Are there any buffs coming that we know of? How do they compare to the guardian?

Thanks for any help

1) For sure, is worse than Guardian; Guardian has better dps, two viable ranged weapons (any of them with better damage) and can be traited to provide much better team support in the form of AoE condition cleansing, stability and protection, plus has very powerful condition builds. Albeit Rev can provide nice AoE protection, fury and might stacking its surpassed by other classes in those aspects -a problem that Guardian doesn’t have-. Must be said also that as a dps your main work will be push sword #1 and # 2, due any other rotation means losing damage. That vs single targets, when there’s more than one in the screen better to sit in sword #1. Condition Rev is “problematic” to say the least, because its main source of damage is torment, which halves the damage vs stactic targes, and your main tool to deliver condition is the mace, a mele/short range weapon, so you you need to approach to enemies, eat damage and stay to stack conditions or hit and run and then you won’t stack conditions at all. What a lovely botched design, don’t think?

2) Revenant is great soloing PvE because can easily buff himself to reach 100% critical chance, has good mobility and quickness to harvesting nodes and logs really fast. But in groups other classes are better at buffing/supporting and is outclased as dps choice.

Rev is at an extreme state at the moment… It’s super good in a random group with no specific set up and completely useless on an organized “meta” group.

People seem to be forgetting that Rev has great condition damage in terms of Burning and Torment. You either force the enemy to stay and burn, or they move and take x2 damage from Torment. It can work pretty nicely together with the buffs it can provide at the same time which no other Condi can do. There is nothing botched about a heavy class getting in close, and as stated before – you have Burning as well as Torment.

Other classes can specialise in stacking one, maybe two at the same time. Rev can pulse boons like no tomorrow thus reducing the need for the other classes to do so, ergo focusing more on the DPS. It’s a team buffer with damage essentially.

Rev is a very fluid character that can split between what it can do at the drop of at hat – Support, Power or Condi. You also don’t lose as much DPS as people think if you use Staff for example, where you also gain a stun, CC, block and condi clear.

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People seem to be forgetting that Rev has great condition damage in terms of Burning and Torment. You either force the enemy to stay and burn, or they move and take x2 damage from Torment.

Is the other way around: you always lose half of your torment damage because either the foe stands with you and then the damage is halved or it flees so you can’t stack the condition due you lack ranged condition auto attacks (except underwater).

Burning has a very small role in the whole condition damage output from Revenant; Searing Fissure doesn’t let you to stack more than 4 burns and Diabolic Inferno only stacks 2 and has an internal cooldown of 10 seconds (so you won’t even be able to spam the two elites in a row). Compared to the condition damage that the other two heavy classes can make the Revenant is a joke, specially the Guardian, which can stack 15+ burns in a burst almost instantly, has much better condition damage over time and can aply burns using any weapon and at any range, so has better damage and flexibility.

It isn’t the other way around? Rev can stack burning very quickly so you can do that + Torment damage on top if they stand still, or they move and take twice the damage from Torment. It’s a pretty simple mechanic for doing condi damage really.

Burning has a bigger role than you think, and SF lets you stack more than 4? It pulses 4 times for 3 seconds at base, and has a 3 second recharge. It’s quite spammable and doubles as a might bonus, combine with the elite burn and long condi duration, you can stack way past 4 stacks easily.
Guardian can stack that much, but can’t then stack multiple boons at the same time, which is what the Rev can do. Combined with 100% boon uptime, it can hit hard.

I’m really struggling to understand why people underrate the Rev this much

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People seem to be forgetting that Rev has great condition damage in terms of Burning and Torment.

I’ll believe it when I see it. So far I have seen no evidence of condition rev having competitive damage compared to the other standard condi builds such as engi, ranger, necro, thief, warrior, necro. Even ele I have heard can pull 30k on a condi build and mesmer will pull extremely high numbers on fights like Matthias, but have seen no evidence for condi rev being anywhere close to that range. As for support, condi druid and condi warrior cover might, fury, and protection, there is nothing unique left rev can offer.

Question – have you ever seen or tried a condi Rev?

Support wise – Condi druid and warrior are not support, they are Condi. Rev can cover all three with relative ease allowing for the other classes to focus more on DPS. It’s a support buffer class, that’s what it’s supposed to do, give the buffs so others can focus more on a different job.

While condi revs can stack and sustain more than 4 burns, maybe 8 at most, you need to keep in mind that’s about the best they can do unless you really want to count the torment which is only doing half its damage in almost all pve content.

As for warriors, they are both support and condi. They can comfortably keep 25 stacks of might up on their party members and put out more damage than a rev, regardless of the rev’s build. The only thing a rev has to offer which a warrior doesn’t, in terms of offensive buffs, is Assassin’s Presence. However, seeing as a rev cannot put out nearly as much might or damage as a warrior, that doesn’t make a difference.

I have less knowledge of how druids compare, but if you mean the condi druid build on metabattle, then I have to disagree with your statement of them not being “support.” GotL is being used to buff the party’s damage by 2% per stack, not to mention the spirits being brought in as well.

To sum things up, while you are correct in saying revs can perform multiple roles, there is little reason to use them when others, such as druids and warriors, perform those same support roles better while also bringing more dps. I may be wrong in saying that a condi druid has better dps than a condi rev, but considering how bad the latter is, I feel it’s a safe assumption.

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Rev’s are great, they can provide team wide buffs, tank, support, DPS straight or Condi. They’re a pretty versatile class and are just as good as Guardians (I mained Guardian pre-HoT, have not looked back since), so don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

They take some getting used to with cooldown and energy mechanics (which should really be an either / or) but are pretty kitten rewarding when mastered.

Having played every single class and made multiple builds for each one (bar Chronomancer, can’t seem to find one I’m happy with), Rev will always be my go-to.

I second this, I love my ventari/glint rev!

Crusader/Zealot + Roiling mist for the win!

I’ve managed to get over 8 burns personally, and you also have Torment yes (plus poison if you have the trait). You also shouldn’t assume it’s only doing half damage if you can have an enemy moving in your fire field thus doing it’s full damage.

A Warrior can Condi + might upkeep, but if they have a Rev there then it suddenly becomes a hell of a lot easier on the Warrior to upkeep the 25 for longer and can therefore focus more on the DPS. That’s the point of the Rev – to be a support type making it easier for his party to focus on damage or healing.

When I say support, I mean healing – full healing. Condi druid is not full healing, it’s essentially Condi with some heals available / buffs available.

The Rev enables classes to hit their peak faster, easier, and focus more on what they’re doing and worry less about buff upkeep, or healing, as well as increase their damage and bring multiple buffs to the table at the same time. It’s a flexible ally to have in a fight, but far too many are just bogged down in the mindset of numbers, too spreadsheet speedrun minded to even bother thinking. I have a rather large distaste of meta-only people, because they have no imagination. It’s “this way or nothing”.

I do fractals everyday on my revenant and do just fine. Mind you, I take advantage of my seaweed buff (+10% more damage while moving with seaweed salad food) that I craft and the fractal potion buffs. They practically pay themselves off with how good the gold income is from fractals and how much more damage and easier it will be with those buffs.

All that said, I have yet to cross a group where we haven’t been able to succeed because of damage. Anywhere outside of raids, revenant is completely viable and acceptable. That perma-protection, fury, and strength/quickness uptime is fantastic and with other classes that provide buffs, your damage will be more than acceptable for whatever fractals or anything else PvE related throws at you.

As for raids, yes, we are sadly not in the “meta”. But if you join a guild that is more casually raiding or is doing training raids, you’ll be fine. Your damage with group buffs is more than acceptable to deal with whatever the game throws at you. You’ll most likely fill the spot of a guardian, providing protection and fury. Your CC is also fantastic with Staff #5 for breaking defiant bars.

Rev is OK for solo pve.
But if u play in any party that can provide most of the important buffs (not all, most is enough) then rev is the worst class in pve.

The dps is rly low (both, power and condi) and other classes can provide more/easier buffs while doing more dps aswell.

Norjena.5172:

Rev is OK for solo pve.
But if u play in any party that can provide most of the important buffs (not all, most is enough) then rev is the worst class in pve.

The dps is rly low (both, power and condi) and other classes can provide more/easier buffs while doing more dps aswell.

Again, this is not true. The Rev can provide all buffs with the exception of the following:

Quickness.
Aegis
Retaliation

That’s it. Rev can provide every other buff (and by buff, I specify here boons. Not including things like GoTL). They can provide and upkeep multiple buffs at the same time, with more ease than any other class. Other classes have to do specific things to get the buff (trait for it, use a skill etc), Rev as a Herald with Glint can passively pulse them and make stacking with others far easier for longer. They can have DPS, CC, Condi clear and block/evades in one weapon (Staff).

That means in a group setting, no other class comes close.

The damage is certainly not low for either Power or Condi, and most classes can’t even reach their top DPS without a specific set-up in terms of other classes, foods etc. You should really not write off the Rev so easily.

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Norjena.5172:

Rev is OK for solo pve.
But if u play in any party that can provide most of the important buffs (not all, most is enough) then rev is the worst class in pve.

The dps is rly low (both, power and condi) and other classes can provide more/easier buffs while doing more dps aswell.

Again, this is not true. The Rev can provide all buffs with the exception of the following:

Quickness.
Aegis
Retaliation

That’s it. Rev can provide every other buff (and by buff, I specify here boons. Not including things like GoTL). They can provide and upkeep multiple buffs at the same time, with more ease than any other class. Other classes have to do specific things to get the buff (trait for it, use a skill etc), Rev as a Herald with Glint can passively pulse them and make stacking with others far easier for longer. They can have DPS, CC, Condi clear and block/evades in one weapon (Staff).

That means in a group setting, no other class comes close.

The damage is certainly not low for either Power or Condi, and most classes can’t even reach their top DPS without a specific set-up in terms of other classes, foods etc. You should really not write off the Rev so easily.

Once again you…

Please stop being misleading, you are just making it worse for new and casual players.
Even for veterans that want Revenant to be fixed.

P.S.

Then I saw your comments on Condi Revenant being “great”. Are for kittening real?
No wonder everyone is mostly on reddit instead of these forums.

I’m really worried that if I would choose to put my effort and a legendary into my revenant and they keep being bad for a long time I’m going to regret it a lot. How’s the games track record of buffing classes that aren’t quite up to par? Also, how does the staff compare to the sword DPS wise?

XxsdgxX.8109:

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Norjena.5172:

Rev is OK for solo pve.
But if u play in any party that can provide most of the important buffs (not all, most is enough) then rev is the worst class in pve.

The dps is rly low (both, power and condi) and other classes can provide more/easier buffs while doing more dps aswell.

Again, this is not true. The Rev can provide all buffs with the exception of the following:

Quickness.
Aegis
Retaliation

That’s it. Rev can provide every other buff (and by buff, I specify here boons. Not including things like GoTL). They can provide and upkeep multiple buffs at the same time, with more ease than any other class. Other classes have to do specific things to get the buff (trait for it, use a skill etc), Rev as a Herald with Glint can passively pulse them and make stacking with others far easier for longer. They can have DPS, CC, Condi clear and block/evades in one weapon (Staff).

That means in a group setting, no other class comes close.

The damage is certainly not low for either Power or Condi, and most classes can’t even reach their top DPS without a specific set-up in terms of other classes, foods etc. You should really not write off the Rev so easily.

Once again you…

Please stop being misleading, you are just making it worse for new and casual players.
Even for veterans that want Revenant to be fixed.

P.S.

Then I saw your comments on Condi Revenant being “great”. Are for kittening real?
No wonder everyone is mostly on reddit instead of these forums.

Once again you boy…

The only one being misleading here, is you. I actually tell people what a Rev can do and is capable of, not spreading the same crap to new players about it being unplayable and pointless. Just because you are incapable of using the Rev does not make it a crap class, and PVP input is irrelevant in a PVE game.
I am a veteran for Rev, and I have built several playstyles for the Rev that work in ANY tier of content. Raids included.

Condi Rev IS great – have you ever even tried? I don’t think so. People are on Reddit because the Devs never respond here, ever. Which is a sad statement about the game in and of iteself that the Devs will not respond on the forums.

Stop spreading false information that the Rev is crap and we won’t have a problem. k?

@op

In all honesty, Anets track record on buffing classes is laughable at best – they honestly have no idea what they are doing. Oh they’ll nerf stuff alright, so it doesn’t matter what class you pick, you run the same risk of gearing it and it getting buffed or nerf.

Unless you run a Warrior – they never seem to get nerfed lol.

I’ve created 3 sets of Ascended and done the legendary journey for Bifrost for my Rev. No regrets whatsoever.

In terms of DPS, the Sword has a trait that buffs the damage and another grants vulnerability on attack, as well as deals increased damage against targets with vulnerability, then the final hit grants a slight delayed aoe hit. In a straight up fight, Sword does out-damage the Staff.

Of course, this relies on you being able to kill fast enough to reliably deal the DPS, which is where the Staff has an advantage. It can block and stun an enemy, blind and CC to breakbar for champs and has consistent DPS with the #1.

In terms of maths, Sword might be 10-15% more damage (roughly). In terms of in-game experience, half that. Against any weak enemies, the extra damage doesn’t matter. Against stronger enemies or bosses, you want the blocks / cc to give you extra time to fight back if you’ve used up your two dodges.

Kallsbo.8964:

I’m really worried that if I would choose to put my effort and a legendary into my revenant and they keep being bad for a long time I’m going to regret it a lot. How’s the games track record of buffing classes that aren’t quite up to par? Also, how does the staff compare to the sword DPS wise?

Staff does a bit over 20k DPS with realistic buffs which is about 20-25% less than sword. This is very low DPS especially for a melee weapon. The fact that nerfing time considers it a positive aspect of the weapon is actually quite hilarious or just an indicator of how inept the people he plays with are.

ArthurDent.9538:

Kallsbo.8964:

I’m really worried that if I would choose to put my effort and a legendary into my revenant and they keep being bad for a long time I’m going to regret it a lot. How’s the games track record of buffing classes that aren’t quite up to par? Also, how does the staff compare to the sword DPS wise?

Staff does a bit over 20k DPS with realistic buffs which is about 20-25% less than sword. This is very low DPS especially for a melee weapon. The fact that nerfing time considers it a positive aspect of the weapon is actually quite hilarious or just an indicator of how inept the people he plays with are.

I find it hilarious you seem to think the difference is 20-25 when it’s closer to 10-15. Furthermore the fact that I explained you won’t 100% get that anyway due to the Staff enabling you to CC and block damage you would have taken with sword anyway (unless you dodge).

The more you post, the more I question you actually know how to use the Rev at all. Throwing out casual insults just proves you can’t handle somebody talking truthfully and positively about Rev

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I actually tell people what a Rev can do and is capable of, not spreading the same crap to new players about it being unplayable and pointless. Just because you are incapable of using the Rev does not make it a crap class, and PVP input is irrelevant in a PVE game.

I’m starting to feel tired about this blatant lie; the only unique quality of GW2 is the semi active combat system and the WvW and PvP game modes. You can like the most the PvE aspects of the games and that can be true for most of this game population, but GW2’s PvE has nothing exceptional in terms of lore or content, and pales in storytelling vs games as ESO. I’m fine about you not liking the WvW/PvP aspects of the game and not touching them, but if you want to call GW2 a PvE game please beg ArenaNet to delete those (PvP, WvW) portions from the game so the people which value them can leave you and this forums in peace. Meanwhile, this is a PvE/PvP/WvW game like it or not.

Finally, about the PvE: the high end of that gamemode are the Raids; power Rev isn’t wellcomed at public raids; condition Rev is particulary un-wellcomed to public raids. Revs can still face rest of PvE content themselves albeit having “less bang for their buck” than other classes . As long as the topic creator undertands this He’ll have no problem.

Buran.3796:

Its Nerfing Time.1495:

I actually tell people what a Rev can do and is capable of, not spreading the same crap to new players about it being unplayable and pointless. Just because you are incapable of using the Rev does not make it a crap class, and PVP input is irrelevant in a PVE game.

I’m starting to feel tired about this blatant lie; the only unique quality of GW2 is the semi active combat system and the WvW and PvP game modes. You can like the most the PvE aspects of the games and that can be true for most of this game population, but GW2’s PvE has nothing exceptional in terms of lore or content, and pales in storytelling vs games as ESO. I’m fine about you not liking the WvW/PvP aspects of the game and not touching them, but if you want to call GW2 a PvE game please beg ArenaNet to delete those (PvP, WvW) portions from the game so the people which value them can leave you and this forums in peace. Meanwhile, this is a PvE/PvP/WvW game like it or not.

Finally, about the PvE: the high end of that gamemode are the Raids; power Rev isn’t wellcomed at public raids; condition Rev is particulary un-wellcomed to public raids. Revs can still face rest of PvE content themselves albeit having “less bang for their buck” than other classes . As long as the topic creator undertands this He’ll have no problem.

Except it isn’t a blatent lie – GW2 IS and will always remain a primarily PVE game. Your personal opinion on the PVP is irrelevant – PVP is not the major pull. e-sports was attempted and a gigantic failure like the majority figured it would be. People don’t come to GW2 for the PVP. They DID for GW1 – that had very well balanced PVP and a total PVE / PVP split, something GW2 does not have but should. It is not a PVP game. It is not a PVE/PVP game. It is a PVE game WITH some PVP.
You need only look through the PVP forum to realise they have multiple topics of “PVP is empty/dead/xyz” and the problems they have (they killed E-sports for a reason).
Same for the other PVP forum (wvw) and the fact it gets very tiny attention from the Devs.

WVW is not separate from PVP – it is PVP through and through, ergo there are only two game modes – PVE and PVP. PVE is the primary focus regardless of your opinion on the game. That is why opinion is irrelevant.

For raids – Rev is not wanted because generally public runs refuse to run anything that isn’t QT-meta-spreadsheet defined. They refuse to actually think, just take the speedrun builds as “this is viable and nothing else”. There are guilds and parties who do run Revs and it certainly is not a detriment.

The “less bang for your buck” again is a misnomer – you certainly have no less bang. If you’re willing to put in the time and effort to gear and understand Rev, you’re no less than any other player.

Whats tiring is the repeated attitude of players against Rev on this forum who refuse to accept anything that isn’t meta-speedrun-viable.

Kallsbo.8964:

I’m a fairly casual player and I mostly do solo PvE and fractals. How is revenant doing at the moment? I know every profession can be used but I’m a little bit obsessed with playing a profession that is useful. There seems to be a lot of complaints here and are they justified? Are there any buffs coming that we know of? How do they compare to the guardian?

Thanks for any help

Guardian certainly has more global appeal for any aspect of the game in PVE. Personally, Rev performs as well as Guardian in solo PVE, especially if you are camping Glint with the exception of cleansing conditions to close out fights. Conceptually, the Rev is difficult for customizing builds, simply because you really don’t … you just choose a legend and get a limited number of skills with it. Still, choosing the right legend for PVE is very easy to do. The complaints you see are the result of PVP … but of course people will soapbox in any thread they can, even if unrelated.

rev is terrible for pve atm. horrible dps, boon sharing overshadowed by other classes etc

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Except it isn’t a blatent lie – GW2 IS and will always remain a primarily PVE game.

You deliberately skipped the term “primarily” in the post I quoted implying that GW2 lacks any kind of PvP or that PvP never had a impact in how GW2 works.

I accept that GW2 PvP is dead -as dead as the GW2 forums, I would say- but PvE/PvP skill split is a recent trend and PvP design was havin an impact until very recently.

A last note: I would say, based on which delivered this topic, that the Revenant doesn’t need a new specialization in the next expansion, because in PvE the current state is “GOOD” for most of PvErs in this thread, and the only concerns are related to PvP, which is a dead game mode. That will fit in line with the absence of news about any Rev spec in the leak showed a few weeks ago.

Sublimatio.6981:

rev is terrible for pve atm. horrible dps, boon sharing overshadowed by other classes etc

Spoken like somebody who has no idea what they are talking about and no idea how to build the Rev. I suggest you learn the Rev before commenting. Rev boon sharing + upkeep > any classes because Rev can have multiple boons at once.

Buran.3796:

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Except it isn’t a blatent lie – GW2 IS and will always remain a primarily PVE game.

You deliberately skipped the term “primarily” in the post I quoted implying that GW2 lacks any kind of PvP or that PvP never had a impact in how GW2 works.

I accept that GW2 PvP is dead -as dead as the GW2 forums, I would say- but PvE/PvP skill split is a recent trend and PvP design was havin an impact until very recently.

A last note: I would say, based on which delivered this topic, that the Revenant doesn’t need a new specialization in the next expansion, because in PvE the current state is “GOOD” for most of PvErs in this thread, and the only concerns are related to PvP, which is a dead game mode. That will fit in line with the absence of news about any Rev spec in the leak showed a few weeks ago.

I skipped primarily simply because GW2 is a PVE game – this is just fact. It “has” PVP but as you say, dead.

For your last comment, this is something I agree on.

If some1 likes solo play/dungeons/fractals rev is decent.

If u are running with a group of random classes rev is usefull for providing the basic boons (might/fury/swiftness/protection). If u dont have a chrono in the group rev becomes more powerful since u have your own quickness as well and u are covering most of the cc.

If u are running with a meta group rev is rendered completely useless. CC is covered, all of the above boons are covered and rev frankly cant keep up with the dps of meta classes.

This is how the class is atm, a lot of people have fun with it, other people have abandoned it.

If you arent into end game stuff and min/maxing just play w/e you like and you should do just fine.

It’s mediocre in PVE at best.

Condition revenant is garbage, in particular: torment is terrible in PVE and the lack of a ranged condition weapon to swap to really hurts.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

It’s mediocre in PVE at best.

Condition revenant is garbage, in particular: torment is terrible in PVE and the lack of a ranged condition weapon to swap to really hurts.

If this is your statement about Rev, then again – you do not know what you are doing. Torment is not garbage in PVE – try moving along with the enemy to force them to move? Seaweed salad gives extra damage when moving which many people use in raids, so why is the concept of simply moving (especially in a fire field) difficult?

Rev is anything but mediocre.

zoomborg.9462:

If some1 likes solo play/dungeons/fractals rev is decent.

If u are running with a group of random classes rev is usefull for providing the basic boons (might/fury/swiftness/protection). If u dont have a chrono in the group rev becomes more powerful since u have your own quickness as well and u are covering most of the cc.

If u are running with a meta group rev is rendered completely useless. CC is covered, all of the above boons are covered and rev frankly cant keep up with the dps of meta classes.

This is how the class is atm, a lot of people have fun with it, other people have abandoned it.

If you arent into end game stuff and min/maxing just play w/e you like and you should do just fine.

Revs are certainly not rendered useless in a meta group – the difference is that people don’t want it because they want QT-defined-spreadsheet-meta-speedruns. This itself is the problem.
Rev can cover multiple boons at once, upkeep them, CC, damage etc thus enabling other classes to focus MORE on DPS.
I covered in a previous post about what boons a Rev can pulse and which ones it could not. Running Quickness for yourself is a little pointless if you’re wanting to provide group buffs, it’s best for a solo option.

End game stuff with Rev is perfectly fine and viable – the majority of problems people have (and that’s about 90%+ of problems) come from the PVP crowd.

It needs a complete redesign.

Its nerfing time, even if u have a rev in a meta group, other classes dont sacrifice anything to give out boons. With 2 mesmers cc really strong. On the other hand rev is the one sacrificing boons to keep up the dps cause if u upkeep boons there’s no chance to proc equillibrium.
As you said end game stuff with rev is viable but a lot of people go for the best option possible and rev has lost it’s edge in the current meta.Let\s not beat around the bush.

XxsdgxX.8109:

It needs a complete redesign.

Learn to build

zoomborg.9462:

Its nerfing time, even if u have a rev in a meta group, other classes dont sacrifice anything to give out boons. With 2 mesmers cc really strong. On the other hand rev is the one sacrificing boons to keep up the dps cause if u upkeep boons there’s no chance to proc equillibrium.
As you said end game stuff with rev is viable but a lot of people go for the best option possible and rev has lost it’s edge in the current meta.Let\s not beat around the bush.

It’s perfectly capable to build a Rev for boon duration and damage, so you don’t sacrifice anything at all. I’ve done this already and have 100% crit + boon uptime on my main build.
Other classes do sacrifice to maintain their boons, they don’t have it as easy as the Rev does. For the Rev it’s all about balance.

Most people go for some spreadsheet defined speedrun builds, and that’s that. They don’t think or believe anything else works -that is the issue.

What the meta says and what can actually work just as good are not that far off. Lets not beat around the bush – the problem is bad PVP perceptions and people who don’t think

I think Its Nerfing Time is a troll, or he is simply not the most genius person on earth.

Norjena.5172:

I think Its Nerfing Time is a troll, or he is simply not the most genius person on earth.

Yeah pretty sad.

Norjena.5172:

I think Its Nerfing Time is a troll, or he is simply not the most genius person on earth.

Or he is the most genius of us all and has figured out an amazing build/rotation that everyone else has been missing and he is just keeping it a secret.

I think it’s hilarious you kids think I’m a troll because you can’t build the Rev in PVE properly. You write it off because you can’t build and based from PVP assumptions. You base it on only running spreadsheet builds, which pretty much explains why you can’t build.

The Rev is good, you are bad. It’s as they say in PVP:

“learn to play”.

I’ve linked my builds in previous topics, but by all means do say I keep them a secret kid.

@OP Revenant definitely is a class that needs some rework from a pve/raid perspective. It certainly isn’t as horrible as a lot of people make it out to be, but then again it definitely is not in a particularly good spot right now.

The primary problem is that a) Rev dps is rather low (rev condi builds are absolutely abysmal to the point where i doubt they’d even be able to outdps a chronomancer). b) The boons it grants are redundant because having 2 PS wars and druids running fury pets is meta. Assuming your PS wars and druids have at least some semblance of an idea of what they are doing, each subgroup will always have 25 might and close to perma fury, which renders a revenant’s boon sharing abilities redundant and useless. c) Because gw2 is so meta heavy, there is a ton of stigma associated with revs, which means people will automatically think you suck because you’re on a ‘sucky’ class that isn’t meta. This means people won’t want you in their raid squads. This is very unfortunate because to be quite honest, sure rev is not stellar, but it isn’t exactly THAT bad as well. Funnily enough, most of the worst raiders/pugs I’ve ever seen have been eles or engis who think they’re mlg top dps, but end up doing horrible dps because they can’t handle the complex rotations in an actual raid fight.

^^ Wait a minute … so the Rev boons you can get are made redundant by a small group of other classes? Um, I think it’s more like the other way around?

Anyways, let’s not get off the topic … the OP is talking about SOLO PVE and FRACTALS … so when you make arguments that Rev isn’t good for those things because of class redundancy in raids and weak condi build performance … that just doesn’t make sense.

See the biggest problem here is that Rev IS pretty good for somethings; solo PVE happens to be one of them, but people’s objective sense of that is clouded by their own bias of certain game mode performance.

Daedraz.1650:

@OP Revenant definitely is a class that needs some rework from a pve/raid perspective. It certainly isn’t as horrible as a lot of people make it out to be, but then again it definitely is not in a particularly good spot right now.

The primary problem is that a) Rev dps is rather low (rev condi builds are absolutely abysmal to the point where i doubt they’d even be able to outdps a chronomancer). b) The boons it grants are redundant because having 2 PS wars and druids running fury pets is meta. Assuming your PS wars and druids have at least some semblance of an idea of what they are doing, each subgroup will always have 25 might and close to perma fury, which renders a revenant’s boon sharing abilities redundant and useless. c) Because gw2 is so meta heavy, there is a ton of stigma associated with revs, which means people will automatically think you suck because you’re on a ‘sucky’ class that isn’t meta. This means people won’t want you in their raid squads. This is very unfortunate because to be quite honest, sure rev is not stellar, but it isn’t exactly THAT bad as well. Funnily enough, most of the worst raiders/pugs I’ve ever seen have been eles or engis who think they’re mlg top dps, but end up doing horrible dps because they can’t handle the complex rotations in an actual raid fight.

If you’re doubting it can out-DPS Chrono, this tells me you haven’t actually built one. The DPS is certainly not abysmally low.

As Obtena has pointed out, the boon-sharing is not redundant. Rev has a much easier time upkeeping and pulsing boons than any class and can pulse multiple at once. Revs ability to do this is NEVER useless.

The meta problem would be solved if people actually used their brains rather than spreadsheet thinking.

Boon bot rev will definitely work for solo pve, but that’s not saying much because practically anything will work in solo pve. You could roll a cleric necro or minstrel ranger and still do solo pve.

In a fractals setting though, groups will always prefer a PS warrior over a rev because warriors can drop strength and discipline banners. And because revs have good boon sharing but relatively poor dps, they are viewed primarily as boon bots rather than viable dps by the wider pve community, which means they are perceived as being redundant when your fractal group is pretty much always going to have a PS warrior because that is the meta party comp. As far as the wider pve community is concerned, a rev’s ability to pulse fury and protection is not enough to warrant it a spot in fractals.

And regarding revenant dps, lets phrase it this way. According to qtfy’s benchmarks, a power dps rev only does 26K against a training golem. There are 21 classes/specs that do higher dps than it. And keep in mind this 26K is achieved by NOT toggling facets on passive for boon sharing because you will need energy for vengeful hammers. So if you want to run your rev as a boon bot, dps will be much lower. Qtfy won’t even bother wasting time doing a benchmark for condi rev. Considering that they actually bothered to measure benchmarks for chronos, that sort of tells you all you need to know about condi rev dps.

26K dps is certainly not THAT horrible. But as mentioned, the game’s pve community, especially when it comes to end game content, is obsessed with metas and trends. I’m just giving OP my honest 2 cents. If he really likes playing a rev he can play it all he wants. He bought the game with his money, and she should be free to play it however he wants. But until the next expansion is revealed, he’ll just have to get used to getting that ‘second class citizen’ treatment because he’s on a class that most people perceive to be a bad class.

Daedraz.1650:

Boon bot rev will definitely work for solo pve, but that’s not saying much because practically anything will work in solo pve. You could roll a cleric necro or minstrel ranger and still do solo pve.

In a fractals setting though, groups will always prefer a PS warrior over a rev because warriors can drop strength and discipline banners. And because revs have good boon sharing but relatively poor dps, they are viewed primarily as boon bots rather than viable dps by the wider pve community, which means they are perceived as being redundant when your fractal group is pretty much always going to have a PS warrior because that is the meta party comp. As far as the wider pve community is concerned, a rev’s ability to pulse fury and protection is not enough to warrant it a spot in fractals.

And regarding revenant dps, lets phrase it this way. According to qtfy’s benchmarks, a power dps rev only does 26K against a training golem. There are 21 classes/specs that do higher dps than it. And keep in mind this 26K is achieved by NOT toggling facets on passive for boon sharing because you will need energy for vengeful hammers. So if you want to run your rev as a boon bot, dps will be much lower. Qtfy won’t even bother wasting time doing a benchmark for condi rev. Considering that they actually bothered to measure benchmarks for chronos, that sort of tells you all you need to know about condi rev dps.

26K dps is certainly not THAT horrible. But as mentioned, the game’s pve community, especially when it comes to end game content, is obsessed with metas and trends. I’m just giving OP my honest 2 cents. If he really likes playing a rev he can play it all he wants. He bought the game with his money, and she should be free to play it however he wants. But until the next expansion is revealed, he’ll just have to get used to getting that ‘second class citizen’ treatment because he’s on a class that most people perceive to be a bad class.

I do believe you’re confusing “wider pve community” with “spreadsheet warriors”. Not everybody cares about the meta running, and there is little issue with Rev damage. Warriors can drop banners, Rev can continuously pulse multiple boons at once and upkeep them with next to no issue. What the meta says is valid and what actually is valid, two very different things.

Revs are viewed as boon bots because it is a strength, a multi-class capable of different roles. It can DPS, support, Condi, boon-bot.

What QT says quite frankly, is irrelevant. Why? because they’re part of the problem – only looking at the numbers, spreadsheet analytics without actually doing the in-game testing on everything. They haven’t looked at Condi-Rev? That’s their problem. You, like many others and they, write something off because they assume from their spreadsheets it isn’t viable.

I main Rev and have never once encountered anybody with the “revs are second class” except here on the forums.

Not sure what kind of pve you’ve been doing, but most people do care about metas. If you’re content doing tier 1, 2 fractals and dungeons then sure meta doesn’t matter as much. But if you think people doing t4 fractals aren’t going to care about metas, then either you haven’t run it before or you just run with a group that is super relaxed and has low standards.

Had a good laugh at “What QT says is irrelevant” part. Sounds exactly like something a guy who runs rampager gear on his condi necro because he doesn’t want to spend money on viper gear would say. Qtfy tests everything against combat golems to come up with their benchmarks. They never go off of spreadsheet analytics. They upload footage for each class/spec benchmark on their website. If you don’t even know that then clearly you have never even seen their website, which is all I need to know that you are a low or mid level pver who hasn’t dabbled in end game pve. These are the absolute crème de la crème of the pve community so I’ll take their word (and hard evidence) over anything you claim.

Honestly you just seem to be a in a state of denial because you currently main a rev. And this is coming from a guy who used to main rev when it came out, stopped playing once t4 and raid metas started forming, and eventually deleted it because t4 and raid pugs would constantly ask me to change to a more useful class.

I have to agree with Daedraz on most of his points here. Nerfing, I hope you’re just trolling, because otherwise you’re either disconnected from reality or playing an entirely different game and mistakenly posting on these forums.

While I’ve never been booted from T4 fractals or 100cm for playing a rev, I have had some people rage at me, the more intelligible ones asking why I was even there. It isn’t common, but it does happen. As for raids, I haven’t gotten into any since the nerfs to Facet of Nature and mesmer’s SoI. Even before the nerfs I had to argue for a position on the squad when other people started suggesting we just use a different composition without a rev for higher dps.

You are correct that revs bring a lot of utility, but in end game pve content that is almost never wanted, much less needed, when other classes can put out more of the same boons and support while also providing more dps.

I think these are misleading statements here. the claim that Revs are much less wanted and needed when other classes do better is only relevant if you team with a PUG that has unreasonable expectations of performing like an engineered team, which is not what PUGs are about to begin with. PUG’s carry more risk ALWAYS, so the idea that just because someone is taking a meta class into one is lessening their risk somehow is ridiculous to begin with.

If you want to make statements relevant to engineered team compositions, then be clear about it but that’s certainly NOT the situation that sounds relevant to the OP. If he wanted to team with friends who knew, he would ask them what class he should play. Frankly, I think anyone that discourages someone from playing a class because of a limited situation is a detriment to the game.

Daedraz.1650:

Not sure what kind of pve you’ve been doing, but most people do care about metas. If you’re content doing tier 1, 2 fractals and dungeons then sure meta doesn’t matter as much. But if you think people doing t4 fractals aren’t going to care about metas, then either you haven’t run it before or you just run with a group that is super relaxed and has low standards.

Had a good laugh at “What QT says is irrelevant” part. Sounds exactly like something a guy who runs rampager gear on his condi necro because he doesn’t want to spend money on viper gear would say. Qtfy tests everything against combat golems to come up with their benchmarks. They never go off of spreadsheet analytics. They upload footage for each class/spec benchmark on their website. If you don’t even know that then clearly you have never even seen their website, which is all I need to know that you are a low or mid level pver who hasn’t dabbled in end game pve. These are the absolute crème de la crème of the pve community so I’ll take their word (and hard evidence) over anything you claim.

Honestly you just seem to be a in a state of denial because you currently main a rev. And this is coming from a guy who used to main rev when it came out, stopped playing once t4 and raid metas started forming, and eventually deleted it because t4 and raid pugs would constantly ask me to change to a more useful class.

I run any T of Fractal – have never once ran into issues doing them. Have never once encountered anybody except forum people here saying “don’t do Rev”. If you’re competent at a class, it shows. So no, most people do not care about meta and those that do are a complete waste of time because they’re refusing to think outside the spreadsheet.

Nice attempt at a personal attack, but no kid – QTs spreadsheets are irrelevant. Whether you like it or not, their opinions don’t matter anymore than yours does. Why? Simple – it doesn’t matter how fast you run something. Can you kill a boss? Yes? Then it’s irrelevant if a different group does it differently or faster.
You assume I’m low tier yet it shows you have no idea what you’re doing if you take some spreadsheet warriors opinions over actually doing the work yourself. As stated above, it doesn’t matter what they do – if you refuse to think outside the spreadsheet, if you refuse to accept anything other than what they say, you are a low tier sheep.
I’ve done ALL endgame content, I have multiple builds and multiple characters with Ascended gear, done the legendary journey specifically for my Rev. I have Rev, Druid and Guardian specifically built for raids (Rev for any role, DPS, support, Condi).

You gave up on Rev because quite frankly, looks like you weren’t good enough. You couldn’t adapt and instead gave up.

Arkaile.5604:

I have to agree with Daedraz on most of his points here. Nerfing, I hope you’re just trolling, because otherwise you’re either disconnected from reality or playing an entirely different game and mistakenly posting on these forums.

While I’ve never been booted from T4 fractals or 100cm for playing a rev, I have had some people rage at me, the more intelligible ones asking why I was even there. It isn’t common, but it does happen. As for raids, I haven’t gotten into any since the nerfs to Facet of Nature and mesmer’s SoI. Even before the nerfs I had to argue for a position on the squad when other people started suggesting we just use a different composition without a rev for higher dps.

You are correct that revs bring a lot of utility, but in end game pve content that is almost never wanted, much less needed, when other classes can put out more of the same boons and support while also providing more dps.

Again – not trolling but hilarious the forum people here think I am. Not sure why so many people just cannot accept the fact Rev is actually good. Oh wait, I do – refusal to think outside the spreadsheet.

No class can put out multiple boons and upkeep them at the same time whilst putting out DPS like the Rev – no class. Multiple classes can, but thats more than one class to do the same job whilst putting out DPS. Multiple instead of one, and the Rev does it easier. Hence why I point out with the Rev – other classes can focus less on boon upkeep and more on DPS.

The only real problems Rev face – PVP (irrelevant in PVE game), and peoples spreadsheet opinions. When those are fixed, people will find that actually, Rev is nowhere near as bad as they think.

I’m also not sure why people seem to be ignoring Obtena’s posts either, as the OP was asking for solo for the most part which Rev has 0 issue in, rather than raids which lots of spreadsheet warriors seem to be bringing up.

Yup, either a troll or suffers from tunnel vision.

Delusional

XxsdgxX.8109:

Yup, either a troll or suffers from tunnel vision.

Delusional

Confirmed, kitten who doesn’t know how to build and hates Rev because is a PVP player