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So much to read with all the tons of feedback that has been thrown at him!

i do envy him that he gets to design a class but i do not envy him for designin the revenant. the revenant is a very delicate class in matter of balance.. and i have yet to be convinced that it actually works out other than looking cool (which it does).

He enjoys it really.

I envy him greatly. He’s the face of an incredibly fun profession with top-notch animations and unique lore.

Oh it works Jekkt! Revenant was the profession I spend the most time on this BWE1, and it did very well, much better than last time [:
It needs balancing ofc, like every other professions does, and it will always be like that. I would like to see something really focused on defense like Endure Pain or Renewd Focus.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

There will be some changes to jalis to push it more towards being ‘tanky’.

That sounds great!

it’s by far still the weakest class and i’m glad we’re having this beta and i’m even happier about the fact that roy invests so much time in reading feedback. i wish karl would do that aswell (or at least answer threads like roy does, never know when devs actually read stuff. i would dance infront of the anet office if they one day added a “read by a dev” icon on forum threads.

the problem with the revenant is the class design, similar to thief with initiative and no cooldowns on most skills it is very hard to attain perfect balance. skills need to be good but then again not that good that you want to spam them.. or they need to be expensive that you can’t spam then.. and then suddenly you’re at a too high energy cost and you have to reconsider everything again.

i think he’s got a hard challenge with his first class.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Manifibel.8420:

Oh it works Jekkt! Revenant was the profession I spend the most time on this BWE1, and it did very well, much better than last time [:
It needs balancing ofc, like every other professions does, and it will always be like that. I would like to see something really focused on defense like Endure Pain or Renewd Focus.

There will be some changes to jalis to push it more towards being ‘tanky’.

sounds good.

also, this. this sort of feedback is simply fantastic, and I’d love to see it for other professions. keep up the good work Roy.

I have to agree. The post you did last time Roy with all the changes you made. And the post you say you will do this time by the end of the week or next, is fantastic. Wish the other Profession Forums had devs do that also.

Jalis will get some love, but Shiro needs it too, on the healing skill (less icd)

Cool. Looking forward to it.

I love Revenant from a thematic standpoint. There are some great skill animations that a lot of fun to use (especially hammer for me). But right now the total package kind of feels like that neat niche build you came up with that seems really cool but doesn’t quite have the punch you had hoped.

In particular, I feel like trait line synergy is lacking. I’d like to see supplemental effects based on blind/torment/vulnerability/etc that build in some synergy between the lines.

At any rate, I can’t wait to see what the elite spec has in store and what other changes there are moving forward.

I do envy Roy, he gets to work on an awesome game for a living, and is helping make the most fun class(imo) in it.

but Roy come on, we need more utilities to choose from. How could you guys think this lack of customization would work in the long term?

I’m going to put this here aa blatant as can be. I was not a fan of the rev???? at all and I’m still not. However, the changes roy did to hammer were unbelievable and it’s awesome now so I know he listened. I have lost doubt Roy will make this profession exactly what people want so we don’t have to beg for buffs for over 3 years

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Jalis will get some love, but Shiro needs it too, on the healing skill (less icd)

Just wait and see all the love. There is enough to go around.

O_O

I don’t want to get my hopes up too much. But this does sound promising.

I do think Shiro/swords needs love for pve. It doesn’t really compare to other classes and the group support is lackluster. The damage isn’t good enough to make up for the lack of good support. And while some people might say, but wait for glint…I think the core profession needs to be able to stand on it’s own two feet without a bandaid from an elite spec.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Manifibel.8420:

Oh it works Jekkt! Revenant was the profession I spend the most time on this BWE1, and it did very well, much better than last time [:
It needs balancing ofc, like every other professions does, and it will always be like that. I would like to see something really focused on defense like Endure Pain or Renewd Focus.

There will be some changes to jalis to push it more towards being ‘tanky’.

GREEEEEEEEEAT – this definitively needs to be done

but plz dont forget making mallyx also a Condi-player class. The current system works pretty well on paper but not in group situations. -> it needs to be some kind of “Conditions?? hahaha ROLFZ!!!!oneoneeleven take back your kitten … and thanks for making me stronger” imo

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Jalis will get some love, but Shiro needs it too, on the healing skill (less icd)

Just wait and see all the love. There is enough to go around.

Love is in the air it seems. Hype.

xarallei.4279:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Jalis will get some love, but Shiro needs it too, on the healing skill (less icd)

Just wait and see all the love. There is enough to go around.

O_O

I don’t want to get my hopes up too much. But this does sound promising.

I do think Shiro/swords needs love for pve. It doesn’t really compare to other classes and the group support is lackluster. The damage isn’t good enough to make up for the lack of good support. And while some people might say, but wait for glint…I think the core profession needs to be able to stand on it’s own two feet without a bandaid from an elite spec.

Sorry but why should a DPS Legend have Group Support? Ventari is the Group Support and even Jalis and Mallyx have a little bit Support.

Also Shiro has good group support with Jade Winds.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Jalis will get some love, but Shiro needs it too, on the healing skill (less icd)

Just wait and see all the love. There is enough to go around.

All the love?!

Roy! If I don’t see enough love in revenant changes to love them myself so much that my wife becomes jealous I will be disappointed :P

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Manifibel.8420:

Oh it works Jekkt! Revenant was the profession I spend the most time on this BWE1, and it did very well, much better than last time [:
It needs balancing ofc, like every other professions does, and it will always be like that. I would like to see something really focused on defense like Endure Pain or Renewd Focus.

There will be some changes to jalis to push it more towards being ‘tanky’.

Now that’s some good news! Can’t wait to see all the changes! ^^

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Jalis will get some love, but Shiro needs it too, on the healing skill (less icd)

Just wait and see all the love. There is enough to go around.

Will Jalis heal finally become a block like shelter?! And Rite a invul?

And will mallyx make you able to ride a unicorn?

Atleast someone reads Revenant forums. There wasnt any red post on thief forums since ages…

They do read, don’t worry.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Manifibel.8420:

Oh it works Jekkt! Revenant was the profession I spend the most time on this BWE1, and it did very well, much better than last time [:
It needs balancing ofc, like every other professions does, and it will always be like that. I would like to see something really focused on defense like Endure Pain or Renewd Focus.

There will be some changes to jalis to push it more towards being ‘tanky’.

Just a quick question about Jalis, why does Inspiring Reinforcement have a cooldown? I thought the whole point of the energy system was that the utilities wouldn’t have a cooldown?

Loving the Revenant a lot. Almost played the entire weekend on it, so I’m really looking forward to the next beta :P

@Conner, also think IR should not have CD.

@Roy: why did upkeeps have initial energy costs? this prevents heavily from using them just for that particular situation you need them – good timing should not be punished imho

Same with the aftercast CD after enable / disable of the upkeepskill (do we want to call upkeep skills “uks” ?) – imo activating and deactivation should not be restricted or punished – the upkeep cost are high enough i think

NapTooN.6283:

xarallei.4279:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Jalis will get some love, but Shiro needs it too, on the healing skill (less icd)

Just wait and see all the love. There is enough to go around.

O_O

I don’t want to get my hopes up too much. But this does sound promising.

I do think Shiro/swords needs love for pve. It doesn’t really compare to other classes and the group support is lackluster. The damage isn’t good enough to make up for the lack of good support. And while some people might say, but wait for glint…I think the core profession needs to be able to stand on it’s own two feet without a bandaid from an elite spec.

Sorry but why should a DPS Legend have Group Support? Ventari is the Group Support and even Jalis and Mallyx have a little bit Support.

Well, it does with the ferocity group trait. Though that’s kind of lackluster compared to say phalanx strength. Dps is still expected to have support. But you are right in that a rev can bring things with other legends too. But, I don’t think I was very clear in my post. What I mean is that sword damage is not high enough to justify bringing a revenant over other classes. And the support revenant brings overall is not enough to justify bringing it over other classes. It has some support yes, but is someone going to bring it over a warr, guard or ele? Probably not. I just don’t want to see this class end up being treated like necro is. Now this fix for Jalis might be the bump the class needs to fix the support issue. Maybe swords get some love? Who knows?

Gray.9041:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Manifibel.8420:

Oh it works Jekkt! Revenant was the profession I spend the most time on this BWE1, and it did very well, much better than last time [:
It needs balancing ofc, like every other professions does, and it will always be like that. I would like to see something really focused on defense like Endure Pain or Renewd Focus.

There will be some changes to jalis to push it more towards being ‘tanky’.

sounds good.

also, this. this sort of feedback is simply fantastic, and I’d love to see it for other professions. keep up the good work Roy.

^this, what Gray said.