Guild Wars 2

because it seems to me like it does

Casual 1v4 in WvW
Casual 1v3 in sPVP (5 30 mark)

Im sorry but this class needs to be seriously looked at between now and launch unless you want to turn this into the new cancer. Nerf the skills in sPVP only if you must but currently Revenant is OVERPOWERED.

2x Stability stack on dodge? Multiple blocks, evades AND invulnerability on the same class.

Hey Wandelaar you’re famous, let the tears flow!!!!!

Zera.8907:

Hey Wand you’re famous, let the tears flow!!!!!

You are delusional if you think this is hitting live servers

Now put decent Condition Necromancer against it and it melts like ice in my drink.

Hunter.4783:

Zera.8907:

Hey Wand you’re famous, let the tears flow!!!!!

You are delusional if you think this is hitting live servers

It is. Much of the reason he is so survivable is simply the Glint Heal. I had this same issue when fighting Revenants until I figured out what to look for. If you bother to learn the mechanics of the class, you’ll learn to counter them (seriously, go read the post you lifted the video from). He mentions that the heal skill needs a more visible identifier, and I agree. Stop attacking when that heal is on, and much of the survivability is lost. The beauty of this game is that 75% of the player base just mashes buttons, and performs rotations without thinking or paying attention.

I dont see anything special about this vid. A bunch of noob that doesnt even know about existance of a dodge and attacking him under glint heal. I beat these players in 1vX daily on a pewpew signet ranger..

Those 4 players were absolutely incompetent lmao.

As for the SPvP situation, It was 2 glass thieves and a downed warrior, the other Thief decided to leave half-way through to defend the lord room and the Revenant got a free Rally from the Warrior. Other professions, Like the Engineer and Guardian, would have faired just as well in the situation.

Ahh, you guys sound much like the D/D eles and Warriors pre nerf:
Everyone else is a nub, you are the only good players

Well don’t fear. If it’s overpowered it’s gonna be down at one moment by the dev. But i don’t think it’s specialy revenant (even if the glint healing is borderline op, coz even if you know it, the animation is pretty steathy) but elite specs in general. Last BWE reaper and chronomancer where beasts too. It’s just the fact that elite specs are far superior to core classes. And, if you want to remain competitive, you need to pay HOT, pretty common move.

This wasn’t a 1v4. These players were disorganised enough that it just became a 1v1, then immediately another 1v1, then another 1v1 and so on…

In fact, the extra players in those 1v1s were just helping our protagonist. In one case he went from less than 1/3 health to full in literally 1 second. If they bothered to pay attention it would have been just 1/3 + 1900 or whatever the base heal is.

well the video doesnt show 1vs4 other classes, its more 1vs4 other pve noobs
no focus or attention from your enemies on ya skills
ppl need to understand and play rev to counter them, instead of button smashing from BOTH sides …. but looks like previous warriors when they were buffed ; OMG WARRI GOT GOD MODE ON plz NERF
<focus and drop some hard cc, its not like rev has unlimited stunbreakers or condiremoves ….. oh i ofrgot and some ppl play the 666666 build

Looked completely fine to me.

Look at the players he’s fighting, bunch of idiots auto attacking and backpeddling, even spotted a thief literally just spam #3 with 2 pistols.

One guy was keyboard turning around and took him forever.

Yeah, if a veteran, experienced player goes up against 4 players with a combined AP of 20, they’re gonna make the Revenant look strong.
Fact is, this same situation could’ve been pulled off with a thief, a mesmer, an engineer. And guess what, it has been.

Nearly everyone in the video who was targetted had CoF skins, now, i don’t know about you, but when i see a CoF skin, it says something. To me it says “New player.”

Please fast forward to 5 30 where he is 1v3 what you would now call sPVP scrubs

Oh my! I didn’t know all you guys became so great at this game after playing a new class for about 20 hours as opposed to others with over 3k hours under their belt

Get real please, this is getting nerfed.

Rym.1469:

Now put decent Condition Necromancer against it and it melts like ice in my drink.

Out of all classes, I would indeed think that necromancer stands the best chance against the revenant, and I would love to have some scrims with you once the revenant enters the live game, as I’m very curious to see how a revenant would fare against a good necromancer.
I think it’s a bit like putting a cele ele (that’s how the rev feels at the moment) against a necromancer, and necromancer would probably be the smartest option to try to fight a cele ele.
I’m very curious to see how it would go.

Hunter.4783:

Please fast forward to 5 30 where he is 1v3 what you would now call sPVP scrubs

Oh my! I didn’t know all you guys became so great at this game after playing a new class for about 20 hours as opposed to others with over 3k hours under their belt

Get real please, this is getting nerfed.

I’m not saying it is not op, because I also think it is.
But I have about 120 hours of playtime on revenant .
(I’m the guy who’s in the video)

A decent condition necromancer should melt Glint/Shiro Revenant if the Revenant tries to take them head on. They have very little ability to deal with conditions and the necromancer has too much health to burst down. Of course, the revenant has much greater mobility.

All I see at 5:30 is a rev picking up the scraps of someone elses fight that they were running from. One of them was even smart enough to not attack with glints heal active. Had the other person been smart enough he would have lost.

Seriously, this is a matter of not having experience fighting them. Glint is going to be one of the most common legends and people are going to learn to watch for the heal. You dont give them HP back and you’re good to go.

And the fight immediately after, absolutely no reason for him to have won* that. The score of that game might MIGHT reflect that red team was a little less than good.

Misguided.5139:

A decent condition necromancer should melt Glint/Shiro Revenant. They have very little ability to deal with conditions.

I admit i don’t understand this. I don’t feel particulary squishy to condition with a revenant. No more than a mesmer or engineer. Particulary if you use lyssa runes. The only problem is burning coz it’s pretty op but that’s for all classes.
With glint heal, evades, shield you already have toon of sustain and ways to evade conditions. It’s really a false weakness for me. And even more if Roy ad the great dwarf rite trait in retribution traitline.

gannondorf.7628:

Misguided.5139:

A decent condition necromancer should melt Glint/Shiro Revenant. They have very little ability to deal with conditions.

I admit i don’t understand this. I don’t feel particulary squishy to condition with a revenant. No more than a mesmer or engineer. Particulary if you use lyssa runes. The only problem is burning coz it’s pretty op but that’s for all classes.
With glint heal, evades, shield you already have toon of sustain and ways to evade conditions. It’s really a false weakness for me.

It is harder for a revenant to deal with conditions than it is to deal with direct dmg (because of the damage reduction modifiers and the protection combined with the free toughness from hardening persistence). But because the herald was so strong this weekend, you were usually even able to defeat condition builds without even needing a single condition cleanse, as condition builds have no way to prevent the glint heal from doing work.

Wandelaar.3746:

gannondorf.7628:

Misguided.5139:

A decent condition necromancer should melt Glint/Shiro Revenant. They have very little ability to deal with conditions.

I admit i don’t understand this. I don’t feel particulary squishy to condition with a revenant. No more than a mesmer or engineer. Particulary if you use lyssa runes. The only problem is burning coz it’s pretty op but that’s for all classes.
With glint heal, evades, shield you already have toon of sustain and ways to evade conditions. It’s really a false weakness for me.

It is harder for a revenant to deal with conditions than it is to deal with direct dmg (because of the damage reduction modifiers and the protection combined with the free toughness from hardening persistence). But because the herald was so strong this weekend, you were usually even able to defeat condition builds without even needing a single condition cleanse, as condition builds have no way to prevent the glint heal from doing work.

Exactly! Glint heal is really (too) strong for now. But herald in general is just too powerfull. Glint herself make 70% of the power of the rev. Other legends are far beyond her. She can tank, support and dps at the same time, and better than all other legends.
I love the revenant but i find pretty sad that only Glint and shiro are the only viable options. With the changes Mallyx is pretty strange and need some changes to fit his role and jalis, supposed to be a tank, has nothing really tanky.
So a class who can play with 5 legends actually are block on two legends (maybe 3 with ventari in raids). Pretty sad.

gannondorf.7628:

Misguided.5139:

A decent condition necromancer should melt Glint/Shiro Revenant. They have very little ability to deal with conditions.

I admit i don’t understand this. I don’t feel particulary squishy to condition with a revenant. No more than a mesmer or engineer. Particulary if you use lyssa runes. The only problem is burning coz it’s pretty op but that’s for all classes.
With glint heal, evades, shield you already have toon of sustain and ways to evade conditions. It’s really a false weakness for me. And even more if Roy ad the great dwarf rite trait in retribution traitline.

You can only have 3 trait lines friend. What are you giving up for retribution? Invocation gives higher dps, herald gives shield. period. and devistation is a no brainer.

Also yeah, no condi clear at all with a full offensive build. Not a single one.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

gannondorf.7628:

Misguided.5139:

A decent condition necromancer should melt Glint/Shiro Revenant. They have very little ability to deal with conditions.

I admit i don’t understand this. I don’t feel particulary squishy to condition with a revenant. No more than a mesmer or engineer. Particulary if you use lyssa runes. The only problem is burning coz it’s pretty op but that’s for all classes.
With glint heal, evades, shield you already have toon of sustain and ways to evade conditions. It’s really a false weakness for me. And even more if Roy ad the great dwarf rite trait in retribution traitline.

You can only have 3 trait lines friend. What are you giving up for retribution? Invocation gives higher dps, herald gives shield. period. and devistation is a no brainer.

Also yeah, no condi clear at all with a full offensive build. Not a single one.

In theory, you are weak versus conditions, but when you’re actually playing it, you soon find that it’s not that hard to deal with them in reality. As a condition damage perplexity necro will be amongst the hardest matchups you will find.
Reference: https://youtu.be/JyWdf4VsUoc?t=2m35s

Who play fully offensive stuff here? With a devastation, herald, retribution traitline you’re pretty instoppable. Even with a corruption, devastation, herald stuff with Glint/mallyx you’re really strong too. Actually you can be really offensive and have a good tankiness due to herald traitline and glint stuff.

The thread points to the point in the video he is in PvP. That build is full dps.

The glint heal DOES need some work, needs a visual tell. I also think most of what we see at this point is just inexperience. The meta is going to be shifted by revenant -at least-. People run builds to deal with the current meta because hey its been one ongoing uninterupted flow of fights for 3 years. Suddenly you have an entirely new class and sub classes thrown in for a few weekends at a time and it causes problems and goofs with the meta. Its to be expected.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

The thread points to the point in the video he is in PvP. That build is full dps.

The glint heal DOES need some work, needs a visual tell. I also think most of what we see at this point is just inexperience. The meta is going to be shifted by revenant -at least-. People run builds to deal with the current meta because hey its been one ongoing uninterupted flow of fights for 3 years. Suddenly you have an entirely new class and sub classes thrown in for a few weekends at a time and it causes problems and goofs with the meta. Its to be expected.

True words, man, people still have to learn how to play against the revenant just like most people still have to learn how to play with the revenant.
The meta also still has to adapt to the elite specs, and the heal does indeed need a tell.

Nice post man

The most glaring thing to me for example is where’s the control? Yea he has 2 stacks of stability after dodge, however they never get removed ever. I mean this is just inconceivable to me in WvW that no one is doing CC moves? It’s not to say that Revenant doesn’t have counters to these CC moves but rather he’s never pressured to use them.

As others pointed out there’s very little to any condition pressure in any of these fights as well. The only fight that had real condi pressure cuts away right at the start after he’s used Facet of Light to counteract the damage but was still left with many condis on.

His next fight reads right into a Necromancer who never uses shroud? Never uses wells? Sits the entire time just auto attacking in Axe? Wat? The Greatsword mesmer who never spawns Crippling Phantasms? Strips boons with GS3? Hell generate a clone or two! No just sits back and auto attacks and runs away when being chased.

I mean can anyone claiming to say Revenant is OP saying that these people were really playing at the top of their game with a straight face? Are you telling me if you were playing these characters against a Revenant these people represent how you’d play against it?

I hate to be “that guy” and call out the quality of the 4 people involved in a 1v4 but honestly it’s pretty apparent that a lot of these opponents are without a doubt not playing at any level of efficiency let alone peak efficiency.

2:17 to 2:27. Engi just stands there while Rev auto attacks him to death. He wasn’t stunned and he wasn’t immobilised. He just didn’t seem to feel like moving out of the way.

Meanwhile, his mesmer friend (who was in stealth as of 2:19) ran away and could be seen at quite a distance at 2:27 – still running away.

Real pros.

Yeah we get to the problem of comparing highlight videos to regular every day play. People arent going to put up all of their failures online, and these are situations they think look amazing. Most outnumbered wvw videos are against uplevels or just plain bad players.

Other points still stand, but really, highlight videos REALLY cant be compared to regular or expected play.

Edit: Case in point, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHgkx2w4LrY This video inspired me to make my warrior, but I understand that it isnt representative of expected play with a squish build. Definitely not anymore, at least.

those 4 guys were horrible(no offense) they just kinda walked(yes walked) around throwing like 1 attack at him a minute. at one point you see 2 of them just standing there doing nothing.

gannondorf.7628:

Who play fully offensive stuff here? With a devastation, herald, retribution traitline you’re pretty instoppable. Even with a corruption, devastation, herald stuff with Glint/mallyx you’re really strong too. Actually you can be really offensive and have a good tankiness due to herald traitline and glint stuff.

I usually played Devastation, corruption and herald with glint/mallyx and if I didn’t get focused by 3 guys I wouldn’t die. Even with only 1 stun break I was just extremely resilient to both direct and condi damage because of resistance and the glint heal.

Wandelaar.3746:

Hunter.4783:

Please fast forward to 5 30 where he is 1v3 what you would now call sPVP scrubs

Oh my! I didn’t know all you guys became so great at this game after playing a new class for about 20 hours as opposed to others with over 3k hours under their belt

Get real please, this is getting nerfed.

I’m not saying it is not op, because I also think it is.
But I have about 120 hours of playtime on revenant .
(I’m the guy who’s in the video)

Finally! Another fellow Revenant admitting that we’re a bit too strong atm.

Either way, fantastic video. You were using all your skills quite cunningly and were juking+outplaying very nicely.

Despite the fact that not everyone you fought was very experienced, it still takes a good amount of skill to outmaneuver groups like that. I agree that the glint heal needs a tell but I also feel like the shield+shield trait could use some rework and the hammer MAYBE hits a bit too hard. Just from my experience playing Revenant. I could be wrong.

Go look up ANY youtube video montage…it will be the same for any class lol.

Its cherry picked fights out of 20-40+ hours (most likely) of recording.

1v3 nerf dragon hunter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw6bMD5z6bM
1v3+ nerf guardian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc2LFOwpsg8
nerf war….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUuC1Em2wxg
nerf engi…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9sdAIgXiQU
nerf thief…

etc…I could go on. There is an entire video category in youtube for outnumbered fights.

You also have to take in consideration that Rev is new and people dont know what it even does or how it plays (not everyone has Hot)

theres also people trying new builds with all the balance changes or trying the elites for the first time. concerning glints heal(which is perfectly balanced) alot of people arnt use to having to not endlessly attack something in pvp(no warrior uses deviance stande,which needs a buff btw) Once people learn not to attack it wont seem as strong

Yep, nothing special, only a lot of noobs that dont know how to dodge and a lot that are just trying their elite specs for the first time … like that ranger with the wyvern… and of couse.. if you stay in red circles.. dude you deserve to die. btw.. i dint see him stuned even once o.o

I’m not concluding that it’s too strong based solely on cherry picked footage, but on the personal experience I got from the class. (angz)

Wandelaar.3746:

I’m not concluding that it’s too strong based solely on cherry picked footage, but on the personal experience I got from the class. (angz)

LOL so you post a cherry picked screenshot from a custom match?

There were plently of rev’s killed a lot during the beta, good players will always be good, that doesnt suddenly make the class op. some popele making it sound like the strongest class in the game, which it is not. not even top 3.

Zev.3407:

Wandelaar.3746:

I’m not concluding that it’s too strong based solely on cherry picked footage, but on the personal experience I got from the class. (angz)

LOL so you post a cherry picked screenshot from a custom match?

There were plently of rev’s killed a lot during the beta, good players will always be good, that doesnt suddenly make the class op. some popele making it sound like the strongest class in the game, which it is not. not even top 3.

Not even top 3?! Not push the thing too much man! I love the revenant but let’s admit that he need some tweeks. Particulary in Mallyx and Jailis. Glint is too much powerfull and make revenant useless compared to the power of the legend (the heal is borderline op too… The shield 5 has the same effect but more visible and less healing). I really love the theme and feeling of revenant. But for now, for me it’s clearly incomplete. You can only play two legend on 5 (well maybe 3 using ventari on raids). Mallyx, with the changes, don’t serve too much and as no really role designed and jalis is less tanky than glint (thing that’s normaly don’t must be) and a no real tanky feeling. So for a class versatile you’re already a mix of guardian (with glint) and thief (with shiro) and can’t really be nothing more before Mallyx and Jalis get a real role. I expect Glint to be nerfed, she carry alone the revenant power by 2000% (particulary the healing) and other legends buffed and reworked a little for obtaining the real role they must have. Revenant can be really awesome, having toons of options to play. But for now it’s not like this. It’s just a Guardian/thief borderline op. And don’t tell me it’s not strong please. He has pretty good dps, insane sustain, evade.. particulary coz of glint healing. This thing must be nerfed, or at least having a more visual effect.
I repeat again i really want to see some love for Mallyx and Jalis. Glint is just absurdly overpowered compared to other legends, and classes in general for now, doing too much things at the same time, for a same legend (tank, dammage, support).

Zev.3407:

Wandelaar.3746:

I’m not concluding that it’s too strong based solely on cherry picked footage, but on the personal experience I got from the class. (angz)

LOL so you post a cherry picked screenshot from a custom match?

There were plently of rev’s killed a lot during the beta, good players will always be good, that doesnt suddenly make the class op. some popele making it sound like the strongest class in the game, which it is not. not even top 3.

Mate, ANGZ 1v1 king of the hill arena is legendary. It’s not just any custom match.

They just did not know how to handle a Rev in pvp.

gannondorf.7628:

Zev.3407:

Wandelaar.3746:

I’m not concluding that it’s too strong based solely on cherry picked footage, but on the personal experience I got from the class. (angz)

LOL so you post a cherry picked screenshot from a custom match?

There were plently of rev’s killed a lot during the beta, good players will always be good, that doesnt suddenly make the class op. some popele making it sound like the strongest class in the game, which it is not. not even top 3.

Not even top 3?! Not push the thing too much man! I love the revenant but let’s admit that he need some tweeks. Particulary in Mallyx and Jailis. Glint is too much powerfull and make revenant useless compared to the power of the legend (the heal is borderline op too… The shield 5 has the same effect but more visible and less healing). I really love the theme and feeling of revenant. But for now, for me it’s clearly incomplete. You can only play two legend on 5 (well maybe 3 using ventari on raids). Mallyx, with the changes, don’t serve too much and as no really role designed and jalis is less tanky than glint (thing that’s normaly don’t must be) and a no real tanky feeling. So for a class versatile you’re already a mix of guardian (with glint) and thief (with shiro) and can’t really be nothing more before Mallyx and Jalis get a real role. I expect Glint to be nerfed, she carry alone the revenant power by 2000% (particulary the healing) and other legends buffed and reworked a little for obtaining the real role they must have. Revenant can be really awesome, having toons of options to play. But for now it’s not like this. It’s just a Guardian/thief borderline op. And don’t tell me it’s not strong please. He has pretty good dps, insane sustain, evade.. particulary coz of glint healing. This thing must be nerfed, or at least having a more visual effect.
I repeat again i really want to see some love for Mallyx and Jalis. Glint is just absurdly overpowered compared to other legends, and classes in general for now, doing too much things at the same time, for a same legend (tank, dammage, support).

wvw wise(roaming/small gorup) – elememtalist, mesmer, theif are all stronger then rev. with other classes being same if not better than rev.

Good players will always be better than bad players, regardless of class.

Hunter.4783:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N17A9qzvgyw

because it seems to me like it does

Casual 1v4 in WvW
Casual 1v3 in sPVP (5 30 mark)

Im sorry but this class needs to be seriously looked at between now and launch unless you want to turn this into the new cancer. Nerf the skills in sPVP only if you must but currently Revenant is OVERPOWERED.

2x Stability stack on dodge? Multiple blocks, evades AND invulnerability on the same class.

First off, Try playing the Revenant first before making judgements.

Second, Wand is a god kitten monster that lives in WvW. He keeps MLGers up at night.

Third, Wand has been playing Revenant every BWE and has become quite skilled in both the class and people reactions to the class which is a large part of the Revenant power right now, being that it’s new.

Forth, Clearly, he is fighting people that are not… let’s say “Top Tier.”

Fifth, With the massive influx from F2P accounts, there are people running all over WvW that assume numbers automatically mean winning, but as Wand has clearly shown here, this is not the case. I can count about 4 times in that first fight alone where someone I would considered “skilled” in the classes of Mesmer or Engineer could have done considerable damage, but didn’t and my guess is because they aren’t on the same experience and skill level that Wand is.

And last but not least, Using montage videos, no matter who’s, as a reference point for balancing a video game is a horrible idea. It’s like using Facebook to compare how one person’s life is to another. All you see are the positive clips, all the Glory moments. You don’t see the other four hours of getting killed, wandering, and getting ganked that is a part of the unedited version of the video.

Sarif.1827:

Hunter.4783:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N17A9qzvgyw

because it seems to me like it does

Casual 1v4 in WvW
Casual 1v3 in sPVP (5 30 mark)

Im sorry but this class needs to be seriously looked at between now and launch unless you want to turn this into the new cancer. Nerf the skills in sPVP only if you must but currently Revenant is OVERPOWERED.

2x Stability stack on dodge? Multiple blocks, evades AND invulnerability on the same class.

First off, Try playing the Revenant first before making judgements.

Second, Wand is a god kitten monster that lives in WvW. He keeps MLGers up at night.

Third, Wand has been playing Revenant every BWE and has become quite skilled in both the class and people reactions to the class which is a large part of the Revenant power right now, being that it’s new.

Forth, Clearly, he is fighting people that are not… let’s say “Top Tier.”

Fifth, With the massive influx from F2P accounts, there are people running all over WvW that assume numbers automatically mean winning, but as Wand has clearly shown here, this is not the case. I can count about 4 times in that first fight alone where someone I would considered “skilled” in the classes of Mesmer or Engineer could have done considerable damage, but didn’t and my guess is because they aren’t on the same experience and skill level that Wand is.

And last but not least, Using montage videos, no matter who’s, as a reference point for balancing a video game is a horrible idea. It’s like using Facebook to compare how one person’s life is to another. All you see are the positive clips, all the Glory moments. You don’t see the other four hours of getting killed, wandering, and getting ganked that is a part of the unedited version of the video.

Now consider all his experience with the game and Revenant and the fact that he himself agreed that it’s a little too strong right now. Shouldn’t he have credibility behind his thoughts on the matter? It’s something that everyone who’s disagreed with Wand, seems to cast aside.

Wandelaar.3746:

Rym.1469:

Now put decent Condition Necromancer against it and it melts like ice in my drink.

Out of all classes, I would indeed think that necromancer stands the best chance against the revenant, and I would love to have some scrims with you once the revenant enters the live game, as I’m very curious to see how a revenant would fare against a good necromancer.
I think it’s a bit like putting a cele ele (that’s how the rev feels at the moment) against a necromancer, and necromancer would probably be the smartest option to try to fight a cele ele.
I’m very curious to see how it would go.

It also can’t do kitten against good Condition Engineer, especially one with Bombs. If he runs Bombs and you run full melee Shiro/Glint, you may as well leave the point.

Not even mentioning the cancer Condi Mesmer.

Rain.9213:

Now consider all his experience with the game and Revenant and the fact that he himself agreed that it’s a little too strong right now. Shouldn’t he have credibility behind his thoughts on the matter? It’s something that everyone who’s disagreed with Wand, seems to cast aside.

I don’t cast his opinion aside. As he claims he has over 120 hours on Rev, which I have no reason to doubt, he has come to the conclusion that it is too strong at this time.

What I, and others, are doing is providing objective criticism by examining the factors that went into that opinion:

1. Quality of opponents. With a titular question leading off “Should a Revenant be able to 1v4” a lot of it gets put back on the 4 people that are playing. Is this supposed to be proposing that if Wander were playing 4 of himself that he’d still win on his Revenant? Are you telling me if you could put any 4 equally competant players against an equally competant Revenant the Revenant would win?

2. Scenarios he’s putting himselves in. Some classes and builds perform outstanding 1v1 and other builds don’t. I wouldn’t take a WvW Staff Support Ele in 1v1 and expect to come out shining and objectively I wouldn’t call the other build OP. In this case he’s saying it’s performing better than other similar strong 1v1 builds. Now this might seem like a cause for alarm, but really it’s up to the developers to decide if they want to balance the game around a 1v1 encounter. It could be because UA is overperforming 1v1 which is immediately irrelevant in any 2v2 or 1vX scenario.

3. How new is something to the game? At release there were a lot of preconceptions about what was OP and was UP. Over time, as people adapted, these preconceptions gave way to knowledge and things that seemed stupid OP weren’t as bad as people thought. Anet has always moved slow on the balancing cycle because of this factor because sometimes people just need time to catch on. There could be counters that people don’t bring simply because they aren’t meta for the rest of the game. For example I have yet to see a video of a Revenant just crushing a strong Condi build on a strong opponent. Is something overpowered if people refuse to bring the counter?

What it comes down to is regardless of experience, if you’re going to make claims, they better be able to stand up to scrutiny of all the involved factors.

Well, I don’t think I really need to mention that this guy was fighting a bunch of scrubs, That simply made the fights look better than they actually were. However, I would have never thought about using Zealots gear and it actually looks decent…

I played the Revenant a hell of a lot too in all 3 betas, some of them even for extended playtime by staying logged for a couple extra days (I reported this on ever single beta btw and it didn’t get fixed, so don’t blame me) so I’m pretty sure my play time with the class is well over the 100h mark as well.
I am by no means an expert pvp player (although to be fair I dont pvp that much, in 3 years I’m only like rank 40), but with revenant I was absolutely destroying people. I was always carrying a hammer in my second set, it’s just absurd the damage it can put out with how survival the revenant is just by having two heals. Combine that with multiple evade skills, complete condition immunity with one single trait and you pretty much have the most over the top class in the game.

Hammer damage needs to be toned down, demonic defiance needs to be a grandmaster, and infuse light needs a bigger tell on the actual character (a small buff on the revenant’s portrait is not enough, they already have plenty of buffs for the facets which makes it incredibly messy to recognize in the middle of a fight). UA might still be a tad strong as well, but that skill has already gotten beaten to death with complains.

And this is all coming from someone who plans on maining Rev, but I just don’t feel like it’s my skill beating others, but the class I’m playing. I want fair fights.

Wandelaar.3746:

gannondorf.7628:

Misguided.5139:

A decent condition necromancer should melt Glint/Shiro Revenant. They have very little ability to deal with conditions.

I admit i don’t understand this. I don’t feel particulary squishy to condition with a revenant. No more than a mesmer or engineer. Particulary if you use lyssa runes. The only problem is burning coz it’s pretty op but that’s for all classes.
With glint heal, evades, shield you already have toon of sustain and ways to evade conditions. It’s really a false weakness for me.

It is harder for a revenant to deal with conditions than it is to deal with direct dmg (because of the damage reduction modifiers and the protection combined with the free toughness from hardening persistence). But because the herald was so strong this weekend, you were usually even able to defeat condition builds without even needing a single condition cleanse, as condition builds have no way to prevent the glint heal from doing work.

Did you not fight any Reapers who knew what they were doing the entire weekend? (Seriously, I’m not being facetious). I would expect chill to be a huge problem in and of itself. Let’s not forget the have plenty of access to poison to reduce healing.

Going to use an elite to convert conditions to boons to get rid of the chill? Expect to hear the Necromancer cackling with glee as you play right into their hands. Same goes for shield 5, as I would expect soul marks to become more prevalent.

I really think a well-played necro is going to be a nightmare for glint/Shiro, which would be a good thing (to have something that hard counters the build many people are saying is op).

I /facepalmed myself nearly through most of that video. The quality of players he fought against was quite horrid. I thought this was supposed to be about 1vs4…. I only saw 1 vs 0….

Also, here’s a hint at how to stop a Rev in his tracks: Conditions.

Misguided.5139:

Wandelaar.3746:

gannondorf.7628:

Misguided.5139:

A decent condition necromancer should melt Glint/Shiro Revenant. They have very little ability to deal with conditions.

I admit i don’t understand this. I don’t feel particulary squishy to condition with a revenant. No more than a mesmer or engineer. Particulary if you use lyssa runes. The only problem is burning coz it’s pretty op but that’s for all classes.
With glint heal, evades, shield you already have toon of sustain and ways to evade conditions. It’s really a false weakness for me.

It is harder for a revenant to deal with conditions than it is to deal with direct dmg (because of the damage reduction modifiers and the protection combined with the free toughness from hardening persistence). But because the herald was so strong this weekend, you were usually even able to defeat condition builds without even needing a single condition cleanse, as condition builds have no way to prevent the glint heal from doing work.

Did you not fight any Reapers who knew what they were doing the entire weekend? (Seriously, I’m not being facetious). I would expect chill to be a huge problem in and of itself. Let’s not forget the have plenty of access to poison to reduce healing.

Going to use an elite to convert conditions to boons to get rid of the chill? Expect to hear the Necromancer cackling with glee as you play right into their hands. Same goes for shield 5, as I would expect soul marks to become more prevalent.

I really think a well-played necro is going to be a nightmare for glint/Shiro, which would be a good thing (to have something that hard counters the build many people are saying is op).

Oh I remember the one time I felt ashamed fighting a reaper this weekend. While using dragonhunter and popped my 5 second shield of courage, and I ate absolutely every single of his marks until it hit me that they can become unblockable.
I am a necro “main”.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

I /facepalmed myself nearly through most of that video. The quality of players he fought against was quite horrid. I thought this was supposed to be about 1vs4…. I only saw 1 vs 0….

Also, here’s a hint at how to stop a Rev in his tracks: Conditions.

You can play around conditions though.

For example, running sigils of cleansing along with invocation can remove 2 conditions on weapon or legend swap and Runes of the Hoelbrak would let you live a lot of condi bursts with the Glint Heal.

I mean, if I can run 0 condi cleanse on my Warrior aside from weapon swap, I’m pretty sure a Revenant can do it too.