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50 energy cost is the same as 10 sec shared cd. If you do nothing but spam JW then you can cast it once every ten seconds without using any other skills beside it. And here i thought a thief would know the mechanics and effects of a shared cd. The thief is actually a shiro stanced revenants nightmare. a new easy target to pick. Just like the original shiro was killed thanks to the actions of an assassin. imho you are comparing apples to bananas and have been proven wrong countless times in this thread.

Kidel.2057:

6) AHAHAHAH Drop the hammer. Seriously? You’re comparing Necro’s instant CCs with Drop the Hammer?

Necros have only 1 instant CC and that is doom but guess what that is only for base necro not reaper…

And please dont count the instant fears from traits like reapers protection and fear of death since they mainly depend on the opponent CCing or downing you.

Muchacho.2390:

Kidel.2057:

Muchacho.2390:

Kidel.2057:

3) Has a less visible telegraph (not a giant green tornado on the head)

What? Do you even know the animation of CttB?

Yes. And actually CttB telegraph animation is shorter then the actual cast time, while JW lasts for the whole time.

Lol those pictures hardly do the windups any justice. If you truely want to be fair you should show the whole animation, but i guess then you would clearly see that CttB is as visible as jade wind (if not more).

Here another couple of keyframes from both. You can actually see the timeline as the castbar.

I’d say JW is almost twice the size, can-be-seen-from-the-mists. Sure, CttB has a better looking animation.

I feel like most people here mistunderstand something. No thief is asking to get a copy of jadewind. They are asking for a slightly reworked one (not just stun duration is a viable option, there are tons of others). Thief’s B venom used to be a very good elite skill but got nerfed only 1 patch after the release of GW2. Right now it’s not worth being called an elite skill. You can put it amongst the utilities and no one would think twice about it being in a wrong place.

Muchacho.2390:

Kidel.2057:

6) AHAHAHAH Drop the hammer. Seriously? You’re comparing Necro’s instant CCs with Drop the Hammer?

Necros have only 1 instant CC and that is doom but guess what that is only for base necro not reaper…

And please dont count the instant fears from traits like reapers protection and fear of death since they mainly depend on the opponent CCing or downing you.

Better then nothing

Gwalchgwn.1659:

I feel like most people here mistunderstand something. No thief is asking to get a copy of jadewind. They are asking for a slightly reworked one (not just stun duration is a viable option, there are tons of others). Thief’s B venom used to be a very good elite skill but got nerfed only 1 patch after the release of GW2. Right now it’s not worth being called an elite skill. You can put it amongst the utilities and no one would think twice about it being in a wrong place.

they are asking for a change in BV because JW is “better”. Not only it’s not better (we can agree it’s more high risk, high reward, but not better), but a 2s BV would be completely overpowered on thief.

Kidel.2057:

Gwalchgwn.1659:

I feel like most people here mistunderstand something. No thief is asking to get a copy of jadewind. They are asking for a slightly reworked one (not just stun duration is a viable option, there are tons of others). Thief’s B venom used to be a very good elite skill but got nerfed only 1 patch after the release of GW2. Right now it’s not worth being called an elite skill. You can put it amongst the utilities and no one would think twice about it being in a wrong place.

they are asking for a change in BV because JW is “better”. Not only it’s not better (we can agree it’s more high risk, high reward, but not better), but a 2s BV would be completely overpowered on thief.

Like I just said, longer stun duration isn’t the only way to buff the skill. Add extra condition, add some damage. Maybe even add some boon buff or whatever. Thieves have been asking for a BV buff since they nerfed it to it’s last form (before it had 2 stacks). No one notices it cause it’s just on the thieves forum. With reveal of jade winds, it’s just being whined about on 2 forums which is why it’s more noticeable.

Kidel.2057:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

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1) All? Let’s say 3 weaponskills at best. And you need to be in combat already and wothout basically using any skill before. I don’t see that happen very easily, and if you let a Revenant build so much energy then you probably deserve to die.
2) That’s a lot. How can you say JW is better? That alone is huge.
3) Sure, did you miss Roy saying the same about JW, that is actually bigger? Posted a screen earlier.
4) We’ll see. Even if damage is the same, Reaper gets extra damage from chill. Plus more effects (like less damage received and so on)
5) Stacks in duration, it’s always useful. You get more damage and more effects (as the 10% damage reduction I mentioned). I’d trade 1 extra second of stun for all that stuff and chill.
6) AHAHAHAH Drop the hammer. Seriously? You’re comparing Necro’s instant CCs with Drop the Hammer? That has 15 energy cost and a longer cast time then Jade Winds, and even a bigger telegraph. DtH is a useless waste of energy. Revenant has basically no CC except jade winds.
7ish) Again, 3 JW means you don’t do anything else. 1 CttB gives you freedom to attack.

And are we seriously comparing Necro to Revenant? I know that Necro is not the brightest class atm, but it’s still better then Revenant and even has more survivability.

1: Yes, all weapon skills. The most expensive weapon skill a Revenenat has is 20 energy, which, conveniently, is exactly the amount you would have left in that situation (casting Jade Winds at 70 energy). 70 energy is just 4 seconds after legend swap, so that’s not a large amount of time to deal with. 2 auto cycles will handle that period. Hardly a “you deserve to lose if you let that happen” thing.

2: Jade Wind is better because it is available much more often and is also much more likely to actually land.

3: One frame of each animation (especially cherry-picked) does not tell a story. CttB is just as visually noticeable as Jade Winds.

4: Depends on how Chill gets applied in a situation-by-situation basis. Remember, only the 5 newest stacks of Chill will run, so if CttB hits, then procs Sigil of Ice, Chill of Death hits, which then procs Chilling Nova, you’d better hope that 2 more Chills aren’t dropped rapidly to shove the CttB long duration off entirely. Actually, Chilling Nova could potentially proc twice in there if they were chilled beforehand, meaning one more chill from any source shoves off CttB. Not really worth balancing around, but this particular situation isn’t necessarily that farfetched, but caps the Chill stack literally instantly.

5: Again, CttB isn’t necessary for those things. Any source of Chill works for those (though no DoT on Chill someone else applies).

6: When they’re already stunned for 3 seconds, it’s not like you’re going to miss DtH. Hardly a waste of energy to keep an entire group disabled for 5 seconds.

7: 3 Jade Winds in 120 seconds is allowing you quite a lot of flexibility to do other things. That’s only 20 seconds of energy regen assuming you’re not legend swapping at all. Surely in a 2 minute time period, you can manage 20 seconds of auto-attacking.

Kidel.2057:

I’d say JW is almost twice the size, can-be-seen-from-the-mists. Sure, CttB has a better looking animation.

The size doesnt really matter, considering the fact that the animation of CttB is big enough and due the white black contrast rather visible in any environment.

Honestly both skills are visible enough to notice them but for CttB you have double the time to dodge/interrupt/block etc. then jade wind.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

1) Yeah, sorry then, 1 weaponskill. I didn’t mean skill types, but the number of skills you can use bofore needing to swap to a weaker legend. Not even counting Impossible Odds.
2) How? The telegraph is huge. See attachament, I’ve fixed the proportions.

3) Did another one with 3 keyframes, exluding intermediate frames in between. The difference is obvious. JW telegraph is 3 times bigger, if not more. I didn’t compare the actual explosions, since those are both huge.
4) Regardless of prior application you get might and life force when you hit a chilled enemy, chill explosion when you critically hit a chilled enemy, damage over time and 10% damage reduction from a chilled enemy. Chill stacks in duration, so if enemy had chill before or not it doesn’t matter, you still get A LOT of benefits. That’s better then 1 extra second of stun, and I’m not even counting stability. Come on.
6) see 5
7) I’m pretty sure that you’ve heard how much Revenant’s dps sucks with no Shiro. Using Jade winds prevents you from using impossible odds and if you miss you’re basically screwed. On the other hand if Reaper misses CttB it’s not a big deal.

Come on. The difference is obvious

Muchacho.2390:

Kidel.2057:

I’d say JW is almost twice the size, can-be-seen-from-the-mists. Sure, CttB has a better looking animation.

The size doesnt really matter, considering the fact that the animation of CttB is big enough and due the white black contrast rather visible in any environment.

Honestly both skills are visible enough to notice them but for CttB you have double the time to dodge/interrupt/block etc. then jade wind.

A Revenant has no surprise effect. you can tell by a mile away if it has Shiro, and Shiro means it has Jade Wind. Reaper, on the other hand, can have any elite skill, even a racial one (lol) or the good old Lich.

About the telegraph, JW’s is actually pretty clear, except for the last part, that on the other hand is huge, like 6 times CttB’s corresponding one.

I guess everyone forgot how revenant sucked b…. already from the last beta.

Some skill popped up and you already start qq? Why you wont qq about hunters ward which can keep the whole enemy team in place for 6 seconds? Why you wont qq about mesmers dominating everyone and everything on a sight?

Easier to actually ask for a nerfs to already weak profession huh?

CttB is already good, and Thiefs should not have anything better then BV.
The best you can get is a nerf of JW, lol. Thanks.

Kidel.2057:

Muchacho.2390:

Kidel.2057:

I’d say JW is almost twice the size, can-be-seen-from-the-mists. Sure, CttB has a better looking animation.

The size doesnt really matter, considering the fact that the animation of CttB is big enough and due the white black contrast rather visible in any environment.

Honestly both skills are visible enough to notice them but for CttB you have double the time to dodge/interrupt/block etc. then jade wind.

A Revenant has no surprise effect. you can tell by a mile away if it has Shiro, and Shiro means it has Jade Wind. Reaper, on the other hand, can have any elite skill, even a racial one (lol) or the good old Lich.

I dont think that is a good argument, since you can start in an other legend, swap instantly to shiro and then cast jadewind. Though i admit my argument is also not good considering the fact that most revenants will run shiro in pvp but then again most reaper will probably also run CttB considering the fact that most necros dont like their elites anymore (golem buggy, plague nerfed and Lich also nerfed and rather easy to counter in many situations).

I think Lich form is better tbh, even then JW.

Who in their right mind honestly thinks Basilisk Venom is OP?

Kidel you need to stop the crusade against thieves.

honestly i never find chill that impactful especially in team fights. also it seems most people arguing about rev dmg sucking hasn’t looked at the dmg buffs nearly every rev weapon skill is getting.

Kidel.2057:

I think Lich form is better tbh, even then JW.

Situationally, I would agree with either one being superior. Enemy Guardian just popped Stand your Ground? Jade Winds won’t do jack. 1v1? Jade Winds has the edge, sorry.

A 3 second AoE stun will always be useful and powerful. Period. The effect of the skill is extremely strong, so it does deserve a high cost associated with use. Whether the given costs are too much? I’m not convinced. It certainly looks like the best elite skill Revenenats have right now (though admittedly, only Embrace the Darkness is any good out of the other three).

Also, as for DPS, every Revenant weapon got buffs since the test weekend. Heck, Hammer 3 got a whopping 75% damage buff. Their DPS with just weapon skills may not be that bad.

Einlanzer.1627:

skowcia.8257:

So jelly wow. Maybe bc you can do basilisk from stealth on an autopilot called stealth? Yes that f1 key. You can see when revenant is casting jade, but you cant see thief at all. Not to mention that you have to build up energy for it.

If you’re going to comment on thief gameplay, at least know enough about the class to know that Thief F is not Stealth.

i think he meant steal, casting basilisk venom then stealthing then using steal traited (mug) to trigger a totally unpredictablet basi

Well, it’s not THAT unpredictable considering you saw him cast BV first, then enter stealth.

Also, BV can be stun breaked. And as far as I’m concerned, there isn’t many other ways a thief can actually stun you to justify not using your break skill.

T raw.4658:

Who in their right mind honestly thinks Basilisk Venom is OP?

I don’t think it’s OP. I think it would be OP with double stun.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Also, as for DPS, every Revenant weapon got buffs since the test weekend. Heck, Hammer 3 got a whopping 75% damage buff. Their DPS with just weapon skills may not be that bad.

Because Hammer’s ground targeted skills are slow and easy to avoid.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Hammer 3 got a whopping 75% damage buff.

If you ever get hit by it you should probably uninstall. Just a honest opinion. You dont even to have dodge that one, just walk of it radius. It should 1 hit people when it connect..like really.. even in melee range it takes over 1 second to land.

Kidel.2057:

T raw.4658:

Who in their right mind honestly thinks Basilisk Venom is OP?

I don’t think it’s OP. I think it would be OP with double stun.

You seem to be thinking that the only buff Basilisk can theoretically get, is to have stacking stuns.

Nope, I know it currently doesn’t stack.
People want 2s of stun (so 2 non stacking hits with 2s of stun). I think it would be OP on a thief, with that peak damage and stealth.

BV is 1s stun because it basically cannot be avoided, and allows the thief to burst you.
JW is actually pretty easy to avoid and Revenant can’t burst because of its high energy cost (and Revenant does pretty low damage already).

Higher risk? Higher reward. Thief risks nothing. Apply venom, hide in stealth, bam. Even if 1 hit is blocked you get a second chance.

Kidel.2057:

Nope, I know it currently doesn’t stack.
People want 2s of stun (so 2 non stacking hits with 2s of stun). I think it would be OP on a thief, with that peak damage and stealth.

BV is 1s stun because it basically cannot be avoided, and allows the thief to burst you.
JW is actually pretty easy to avoid and Revenant can’t burst because of its high energy cost (and Revenant does pretty low damage already).

You should read better. Only a handful people are suggesting a buff that makes BV stack or a longer stun duration. A lot of other people are just asking for a buff. Any buff.

Gwalchgwn.1659:

Kidel.2057:

Nope, I know it currently doesn’t stack.
People want 2s of stun (so 2 non stacking hits with 2s of stun). I think it would be OP on a thief, with that peak damage and stealth.

BV is 1s stun because it basically cannot be avoided, and allows the thief to burst you.
JW is actually pretty easy to avoid and Revenant can’t burst because of its high energy cost (and Revenant does pretty low damage already).

You should read better. Only a handful people are suggesting a buff that makes BV stack or a longer stun duration. A lot of other people are just asking for a buff. Any buff.

Like? Aoe?
So instant, aoe, maybe ranged, and 2 hits? Sure, lol. Not OP at all.
How to stun an entire group: part 1.

And however people asked for a 2s stun (even in Thief forum)

Kidel.2057:

Gwalchgwn.1659:

Kidel.2057:

Nope, I know it currently doesn’t stack.
People want 2s of stun (so 2 non stacking hits with 2s of stun). I think it would be OP on a thief, with that peak damage and stealth.

BV is 1s stun because it basically cannot be avoided, and allows the thief to burst you.
JW is actually pretty easy to avoid and Revenant can’t burst because of its high energy cost (and Revenant does pretty low damage already).

You should read better. Only a handful people are suggesting a buff that makes BV stack or a longer stun duration. A lot of other people are just asking for a buff. Any buff.

Like? Aoe?
So instant, aoe, maybe ranged, and 2 hits? Sure, lol. Not OP at all.
How to stun an entire group: part 1.

And however people asked for a 2s stun (even in Thief forum)

Wow, your reading comprehension man.
1) 2s stun: I didn’t say no one asked for it, I said a handful. A portion of the community.
2) Did I make those suggestions? You suggested those OP things. Adding 1 boon removal for example isn’t all that powerful. One of the suggestions on the forum was to add some condi, but there’s a fine line between too strong and meaningless there.

then you’re basically saying nothing, just irrelevant criticism.
What are we supposed to discuss about? Anything I say is “oh but I didn’t say that”, “oh, just some people said that”, “any buff”

I asked: what kind of buff do you want? “any buff” is nothing.

JW is aoe and lasts 3s because
1) is used by a weak class with no customization
2) has no traits
3) has a huge slow telegraph
4) has no range
5) has a huge energy cost
6) only 1 hit, meaning that if you miss you’re screwed, can’t even tun away since your impossible odds will have no energy to be used.

Nothing of this can be applied to thief. Or you just want a copy of jade winds? Sure, from stealth, not OP at all.

I’ll ask again before you say something irrelevant for the third time: what kind of buff do you want? What kind of buff can be made that is not completely off the charts?

I’ll repost my comment, and put something in bold for you since you can’t read.

Wow, your reading comprehension man.
1) 2s stun: I didn’t say no one asked for it, I said a handful. A portion of the community.
2) Did I make those suggestions? You suggested those OP things. Adding 1 boon removal for example isn’t all that powerful. One of the suggestions on the forum was to add some condi, but there’s a fine line between too strong and meaningless there.

And from an earlier comment (not sure if it’s in this topic): No thief is asking for a copy of Jade Wind

all this complains (there are currently 2 threads in the revenant section, 2 in the thief section, 1 in the necromancer section) for 1 boon removal? As I said: nothing. I’t like you are agreeing with me and you disagree with all the thiefs complaining here.
They’re asking for way more than that. Basically complaining that Jade Winds is a better BV.

Kidel.2057:

all this complains (there are currently 2 threads in the revenant section, 2 in the thief section, 1 in the necromancer section) for 1 boon removal? As I said: nothing. I’t like you are agreeing with me and you disagree with all the thiefs complaining here.
They’re asking for way more than that. Basically complaining that Jade Winds is a better BV.

I am agreeing with comparing JW with BV is ridiculous. But the complaints about BV needing a buff precedes JW reveal. The only reason why BV is used so much in pvp, is because the other 2 elites are even worse for PvP. Some thieves (me included) would much rather have a fourth utility slot instead of bringing along an elite skill.

And if adding a boon removal is “nothing”, then isn’t that perfect? It’s not making BV overpowered but it is adding something to be worth slotting.

Gwalchgwn.1659:

I am agreeing with comparing JW with BV is ridiculous. But the complaints about BV needing a buff precedes JW reveal

Read the title of this thread and the first post again.
Sorry I couldn’t read your mind at your first comment, but it’s pretty late and 90% of the thiefs are basically saying “Revenant got a better BV, we want the same but with no activation time”.

Gwalchgwn.1659:

And if adding a boon removal is “nothing”, then isn’t that perfect? It’s not making BV overpowered but it is adding something to be worth slotting.

I wouldn’t mind it, but asking that because of JW is as ridiculous as Elementalists asking for weaponswap because Revenant got it.

People forget how Revenant works and how much it’s struggling to be decent.

Ele cant swap betwen close and long range in combat. Weapon swap is justiced in this case. THAT was the reason why rev got wep swap in the first place and that is a reason why ele should get this option as well. They opened a box of pandora at their own wish.

And when it comes to jade wind, while im against a nerf to this ability, you can reduce it casttime to 0.5sec with impossible odds making it much harder to dodge compared to CttB, actually it will be nearly impossible to dodge in teamfights.

yeah, than what? IO+JW can only be done while already in combat, because you need around 70 energy, so people will easily expect this and dodge that HUGE telegraph. If you get hit by JW than you deserve to lose.

Also after using 70 energy the best you can do is swap Mallyx/Jalis and do some average dps.

And if you miss or get blocked you basically wasted 60-70 energy and your best legend for 10 seconds.

With stealth it would be much easier.

I have to laugh so hard at people thinking the Reaper’s elite is stronger than Jade Winds… Seriously, did you even look at the skills?! Sure, CttB does extra things. However, it’s cast time is a whooping one second longer as the already slow jade wind, the stun is a second shorter, and the cooldown is MASSIVE. I get that Rev’s skill costs 50 energy but seriously, have you actually taken a look at how fast that energy recharges? Even if you would cast JW and time your casttime again for a total of 6 second AE stun, you’d have around 30-40ish energy back until they come back out of the stun, and even if that wasn’t the case, you can legend-swap for an instant 50 energy refill. And Double Sword is a strong enough weapon set to leave you with enough options even at “only” 50% energy.

Not that it really matters because getting this thing off when it matters will be a pain for both Reaper and Revenant alike, and will propably only happen if a shattermesmer starts to daze/stun/interrupt the enemy team with perfection…or a thief cloaks you into their midst. Then both will be equally devastating. Only that the Revenant could potentially do it every single respawn, while a Reaper MIGHT get it off once or twice a match. Would have to be a really long match though.

Kidel.2057:

yeah, than what? IO+JW can only be done while already in combat, because you need around 70 energy, so people will easily expect this and dodge that HUGE telegraph. If you get hit by JW than you deserve to lose.

Also after using 70 energy the best you can do is swap Mallyx/Jalis and do some average dps.

And if you miss or get blocked you basically wasted 60-70 energy and your best legend for 10 seconds.

With stealth it would be much easier.

Remember that even if you swap to Mallyx or Jalis (or maybe even ventari), you still have S/S to “carry” you through those 10 seconds. Actually, Let’s assume you have max energy and use 70 energy, you will have enough left for the back-dash from shiro after which you switch to eg. Mallyx and can decide whether you can still “go ham” with S/S, or whether you use Mallyx’ displacer-teleport to GTFO.
While Reaper will be stuck in that fight without any active defenses or escapes, with his ult on a CD that propably won’t be avaiable before the match ends.

CttB gives:

• stun (33% less but still decent)
• stability (1-5 stacks)
• 8s of chill
  * might on attack
  * life force on attack
  * chill explosion and spread on critical
  * damage over time
  * 10% less damage from chilled enemies
• if you miss you lose nothing except a cooldown, if JW misses you lose 50 energy
• Reaper has so much chill and cc that it would be harder to avoid it, even if it has more cd. JW is more risky
• If you don’t like JW you can equip Lich or another Elite. Revenant can’t change it.
• It’s a shout, so 1 condi removed with the rune if you want.

• 0 resistance lost, you can use any skill not on cd.

JW has 30% longer stun duration and 50% less cast time, but way less side effects and a 100% bigger telegraph that can be spotted from the moon.

Not saying it’s worse, but not even better.

Since when has Chill made avoiding any skill harder? It doesn’t make anything harder to interrupt, blind, block, dodge, etc.

Also, the benefits you list after “8s of Chill” are only if the Reaper traits for them (other than less damage from chilled foes). This is a lot like, oh, Revenants traiting for Might on Jade Wind?

And why would a Revenant want to slot any of their other elites in place of Jade Winds? You can still swap it out for racials or Mistfire Wolf, if you’re really concerned.

Revenant can’t trait anything in Jade Wind.
Might can be traited is on any Shiro skill, so you actually lose might throughput if you waste 50 energy on JW.

Reaper has many cc, not only chill, but also fear (that can be traited to apply chill aswell).
It also risks way less while doing CttB, and doesn’t gain less imo.

Lets be honest here..CttB is not even close to Jade Wind. Not even a bit. That skill really feel underpowered compared to jade.

As Revenant is not even close to Reaper.
You can’t compare “Feel My Wrath!” to “Strength of the pack!”.
Never heard a Ranger asking for quickness of their elite shout because Guardian’s has it.
Ranger is way different and already can access quickness.

Reaper has many cc and stuns, not only CttB.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Backbreaker
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Basilisk_Venom
Basilisk Venom can be ranged, has 2 chances, once applied is instant, can be done from stealth and can be traited.
I demand a nerf of Basilisk Venom, or that every class get a stun as good as Jade Winds, regardless of the peculiarities of that class.
Why shouldn’t Elementalist get Jade Winds too?

Kidel.2057:

Reaper has many cc and stuns, not only CttB.

Jade wind is also not the only cc/stun revenant has…

Kidel.2057:

Revenant can’t trait anything in Jade Wind.
Might can be traited is on any Shiro skill,

Contradicting yourself, much? Is Jade Winds not a Shiro skill?

Also:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Momentary_Pacification Strips an additional stack of Stability. With the Devestation grandmaster, this means anything with 3 stacks or less of Stability is still going to get nailed by Jade Wind.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Diabolic_Inferno inflicts Burning as well. Notice that Shiro skills are equally good regardless of if you’re running Condition or Power, so he is a valid choice for condi Revenant (other than that leaves you totally reliant on allies cleansing you when needed).

none of the CCs Revenant has can help to connect JW.
Reaper can simply fear+chill and do CttB on a helpless enemy.

Kidel.2057:

none of the CCs Revenant has can help to connect JW.
Reaper can simply fear+chill and do CttB on a helpless enemy.

Bull. Every CC but the staff that the Revenant has can be chained into Jade Winds. It’s not even difficult. Pulls disable for ~1 second, Jallis’s taunt lasts 2 seconds, which is more than enough time to legend swap+Jade Winds. OHSword also has a 2 second immobilize.

And without using energy, Jade Winds can easily be a .9 second cast. If you have about 60 energy, you can Quickness+Jade Winds. Getting it below a half second cast will not be uncommon.

There is no reason to use jw in single target like after jalis taunt. You swap to shiro, pop jw then what? 0 energy and legendswap on cd. Game over

Simply using healing+impossible odds is so much better in single target and 1vs1 or 1vs2.

You have no skill to keep multiple enemies in place for the aoe.
Jw is only good in teamfight as support skill, but you need to stealth that telegraph

Kidel.2057:

There is no reason to use jw in single target like after jalis taunt. You swap to shiro, pop jw then what? 0 energy and legendswap on cd. Game over

Simply using healing+impossible odds is so much better in single target.

You have no skill to keep multiple enemies in place for the aoe.

Sword offhand has an AoE immobilize. That works for 3. Axe offhand has an AoE pull which can keep 5 in place to set it up.

The only reason to taunt->Jade Wind is guaranteeing as long of a disable as you can. This is not something you normally do in 1v1. Even so, Sword auto is hardly a bad thing to be doing while you’re waiting for energy to regen.

And you also have 3 seconds to regenerate energy without retaliation.

3 targets and 20 energy. Meaning you’ll need about 90 energy for the whole thing to work.
and you can still fail. It only takes 1 dodge roll.

CttB doesn’t need any of this crap. Simply fear+chill and then pop it. You fail? Who cares, no energy lost.

Basilisk Venom can’t even fail.

Kidel.2057:

3 targets and 20 energy. Meaning you’ll need about 90 energy for the whole thing to work.
and you can still fail. It only takes 1 dodge roll.

CttB doesn’t need any of this crap. Simply fear+chill and then pop it. You fail? Who cares, no energy lost.

Basilisk Venom can’t even fail.

You are wrong on sooooo many levels.

1. Reaper has no fears at all that are long enough to cover CttB’s cast time (only 1 second long). The Chill (I have no clue why you keep bringing it up) does nothing to prevent people from avoiding it.

2. Basalisk Venom can easily fail if the next two attacks don’t do anything. And, of course, Stability counters all three discussed skills.

Can it fail? Of course it can fail! If it couldn’t, it would be broken.

Jade Wind has its’ own pros and cons… Kidel, even if JW costs 50 energy, Revenants can still manage to burst their foes. For example, if I was the Revenant, I’d probably fight a bit before casting JW of course, my opponent might be left without endurance, etc etc. Then I’d pop my JW if I have 50+ energy. now that I’m low on energy, and my weapon skills are probably on CD, I swap legends and weapon, let’s say Jalis and staff. I’ll use my staff #5 (pretty strong) or autoattack then do skill 5. Of course you won’t always miss JW. You won’t always land BV either.
BV is very good as it is, JW doesn’t look OP/UP, you just have to know how to play with your skills or how to evade theirs.