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Posted by: Profanity.6829

Profanity.6829

So here i am, already 1 3rd in my Herald track, and i thought, lets start using my cool new Elite specialisation already. So far I have only unlocked my shield, the heal, and not much else. But i didn’t care, i just wanted the cool Herald feel, and support my buddies.

Soon enough, after 3 minutes of playing, iI was laying on the floor dooling and shaking because some develloper thought it was a good idea, to keep those empty utility skill blinking INDEFINATELY.

The never ending blinking every 2 seconds in the bottom-right corner just make me want to dig my eyes out with a spoon, it is extremely unnerving and make the Herald impossible for me until i have a ability for every utility slot…

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Posted by: bettadenu.5483

bettadenu.5483

I have the same issue with Guardian staff #4: Empower.
The final pulse on that skill puts out a big blue flash that forces me to close my eyes for a second. Same with Ride the Lightning for the Elementalist.

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Posted by: Jim.9532

Jim.9532

I know nothing about epilepsy but I really hope this gets to the staff at Anet.

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Posted by: Argon.1563

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I had a feeling Herald would cause problems for people with epilepsy. Theres a big thread going on at the moment about how over-the-top that disk on the utilities is.

Hopefully this will provoke them to tone it down a bit considering its actually a health hazard.

EDIT: I just realized you meant about the empty utility slots. Mis-interpreted the post. :S

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Posted by: Kodiak.3281

Kodiak.3281

Seems to me that if your epilepsy is triggered by such a minor thing that you probably shouldn’t be playing video games in the first place.

And while I think the whole epilepsy thing was brought up for shock value and likely isn’t true all it’s going to do is get a warning thrown in like every other video game to date.

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Posted by: Misguided.5139

Misguided.5139

I suggest keeping the herald spec so you can use the shield and not using the dragon stance until you have all the skills available. I was kind of lucky that I didn’t try to switch from Shiro to dragon stance until I had facet of elements. That happened right before the switch to 250 points, so I didn’t have to deal with it for very long, but yeah, it was not pleasant.

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Posted by: Azure.8670

Azure.8670

Seems to me that if your epilepsy is triggered by such a minor thing that you probably shouldn’t be playing video games in the first place.

And while I think the whole epilepsy thing was brought up for shock value and likely isn’t true all it’s going to do is get a warning thrown in like every other video game to date.

This. There are tests done on what triggers Epilepsy. If this blinking bothers you, because truly it is minor and im sorry for your condition as my step mother is Epileptic, you should not be playing video games at all

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Posted by: DeWolfe.2174

DeWolfe.2174

you should not be playing video games at all

No, video games can be safely played if designed properly. The dev’s need to have a little bit of restraint on all the effects that blink or have particles. I means seriously, the utilities DO NOT have to freaking blink. On a side note, I feel the dev’s should have a bit more restraint on the effects as it’s getting a bit gaudy anyway.

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Posted by: Adine.2184

Adine.2184

Seems to me that if your epilepsy is triggered by such a minor thing that you probably shouldn’t be playing video games in the first place.

And while I think the whole epilepsy thing was brought up for shock value and likely isn’t true all it’s going to do is get a warning thrown in like every other video game to date.

Well arnt you the insensitive one . Epilepsy is a tricky thing you can be playing a game perfectly fine for hours and rare visual effect you’ve seen 100 times before can make you trip the 101st . I havent personally unloked the Herald yet so i cant speak to if it would cause me problems yet but i’m taking the OP at their word that it made them and that ANet should at minimum look into the problem . I’ve had seizures my entire life and know what causes the them as im sure the OP knows what causes theirs so to tell them not to play a game over something that could easily be fixed by the devs is insanity . Seizures are no laughing matter so if its something the devs can fix they should end of story .

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Posted by: Azure.8670

Azure.8670

you should not be playing video games at all

No, video games can be safely played if designed properly. The dev’s need to have a little bit of restraint on all the effects that blink or have particles. I means seriously, the utilities DO NOT have to freaking blink. On a side note, I feel the dev’s should have a bit more restraint on the effects as it’s getting a bit gaudy anyway.

youre absolutely wrong on this. the blink takes up less than 1/1380th of the screens size. If you CANNOT handle that, then youre condition is FAR worse than normal epilepsy. To put that in perspective, a blinking yellow light while driving is larger in your vision if you are 35 feet away.

If youre complaining about this, video games and tv ARE NOT SAFE for you, and I feel bad, but you need to consider perhaps a different life style.

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Posted by: scerevisiae.1972

scerevisiae.1972

kitten . Asking for the incessant blinking to stop is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask. It drove me nuts as well so I stopped playing herald until it was fully unlocked.

Similar to the over the top facet drone and ground texture, these are subpar elements of the release that need some polish.

downed state is bad for PVP

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Posted by: Destabilizator.2789

Destabilizator.2789

Wait until you jump in water!

Vertor et revertor.

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Posted by: Linfang.1087

Linfang.1087

Two fixes:

Spec the herald trait line but do not use the Glint legend

Stick post it notes on your screen to cover your utility slots.

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Posted by: Gaaroth.2567

Gaaroth.2567

I had a feeling Herald would cause problems for people with epilepsy. Theres a big thread going on at the moment about how over-the-top that disk on the utilities is.

Hopefully this will provoke them to tone it down a bit considering its actually a health hazard.

EDIT: I just realized you meant about the empty utility slots. Mis-interpreted the post. :S

still relevant tho, the disk is nice but needs opacity to be toned down

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Posted by: Kodiak.3281

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Well arnt you the insensitive one . Epilepsy is a tricky thing you can be playing a game perfectly fine for hours and rare visual effect you’ve seen 100 times before can make you trip the 101st . I havent personally unloked the Herald yet so i cant speak to if it would cause me problems yet but i’m taking the OP at their word that it made them and that ANet should at minimum look into the problem . I’ve had seizures my entire life and know what causes the them as im sure the OP knows what causes theirs so to tell them not to play a game over something that could easily be fixed by the devs is insanity . Seizures are no laughing matter so if its something the devs can fix they should end of story .

It’s not insensitive, it’s just a matter of fact. I mean if you trigger off something that minor then you got it bad and honestly there’s any number of effects that go on in just about any game that I can think of from blinking UI elements to flashing spell effects you just shouldn’t be playing these kinds of games. It’s no different than saying someone with brittle bones shouldn’t be playing football. I mean look, it sucks, they got a raw deal but that’s just the way it is. No one is laughing.

In fact, which is why I doubt the OP even has epilepsy, is because I’ve never known anyone who does have epilepsy to say something about the condition with such casual disregard such as “I was laying on the floor dooling and shaking "

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Posted by: Dastion.3106

Dastion.3106

The design of the blinking utilities is fine. It’s meant to tell you that you have an available utility slot you haven’t put anything in yet. Once you slot something you can’t empty that slot again (you just swap). So the idea is that they’re supposed to be these eye catching blinking slots because they’re temporary.

The issue is that they designed a profession whose skill options are so rigid that it doesn’t mesh with the normal unlock system. Everyone else will at the very least have Racials they can throw in those slots and they have to unlock other skills before starting an elite – so even though they may only have their Elite heal unlocked they can still have a full build load-out.

However, when it comes to the Revenant they focused on thematic hype rather than continuity and practical implementation that meshes with core game design – and then apparently all took vacations rather than handling the backlash when players finally got their hands on the profession and began to realize the shortcomings.

On the subject of epilepsy: it wouldn’t shock me if the OP was making that up to draw attention to the subject. But the fact is that it’s something that can be and should be addressed. Epilepsy or no, it’s kitten ed annoying.

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Posted by: Black Box.9312

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Well arnt you the insensitive one . Epilepsy is a tricky thing you can be playing a game perfectly fine for hours and rare visual effect you’ve seen 100 times before can make you trip the 101st . I havent personally unloked the Herald yet so i cant speak to if it would cause me problems yet but i’m taking the OP at their word that it made them and that ANet should at minimum look into the problem . I’ve had seizures my entire life and know what causes the them as im sure the OP knows what causes theirs so to tell them not to play a game over something that could easily be fixed by the devs is insanity . Seizures are no laughing matter so if its something the devs can fix they should end of story .

It’s not insensitive, it’s just a matter of fact. I mean if you trigger off something that minor then you got it bad and honestly there’s any number of effects that go on in just about any game that I can think of from blinking UI elements to flashing spell effects you just shouldn’t be playing these kinds of games. It’s no different than saying someone with brittle bones shouldn’t be playing football. I mean look, it sucks, they got a raw deal but that’s just the way it is. No one is laughing.

In fact, which is why I doubt the OP even has epilepsy, is because I’ve never known anyone who does have epilepsy to say something about the condition with such casual disregard such as “I was laying on the floor dooling and shaking "

This. It’s far more insensitive for OP to be making light of epilepsy than it is for someone else to suggest that someone who actually has severe epilepsy shouldn’t be playing video games.

It’s not nearly that bad of an issue, and there are plenty of better ways to get a point across.

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Posted by: Adine.2184

Adine.2184

Well arnt you the insensitive one . Epilepsy is a tricky thing you can be playing a game perfectly fine for hours and rare visual effect you’ve seen 100 times before can make you trip the 101st . I havent personally unloked the Herald yet so i cant speak to if it would cause me problems yet but i’m taking the OP at their word that it made them and that ANet should at minimum look into the problem . I’ve had seizures my entire life and know what causes the them as im sure the OP knows what causes theirs so to tell them not to play a game over something that could easily be fixed by the devs is insanity . Seizures are no laughing matter so if its something the devs can fix they should end of story .

It’s not insensitive, it’s just a matter of fact. I mean if you trigger off something that minor then you got it bad and honestly there’s any number of effects that go on in just about any game that I can think of from blinking UI elements to flashing spell effects you just shouldn’t be playing these kinds of games. It’s no different than saying someone with brittle bones shouldn’t be playing football. I mean look, it sucks, they got a raw deal but that’s just the way it is. No one is laughing.

In fact, which is why I doubt the OP even has epilepsy, is because I’ve never known anyone who does have epilepsy to say something about the condition with such casual disregard such as “I was laying on the floor dooling and shaking "

Honestly if you have had seizures a long time it gets to the point where you’re kind of " hang on im gonna have a seizure " and it just kind of is a casual subject . The hardest question for me to answer is " how do you deal with seizures" simply because i’ve had them literally my entire life and they’re sort of routine .I can avoid situations that cause them easy enough in most cases but describing how to deal with them as a whole is a bit harder . Also like i said in my previous post you could see some sort of effect in the game 100 times and the 101st it can make you trip, that might sound odd to you but its true .

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Posted by: Zerikin.1593

Zerikin.1593

The blinking of slots you can’t put things in is indeed silly and annoying.

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Posted by: Kodiak.3281

Kodiak.3281

Also like i said in my previous post you could see some sort of effect in the game 100 times and the 101st it can make you trip, that might sound odd to you but its true .

That doesn’t really negate the point. The guy with brittle bones could play Football and never break a bone on 100 plays and on the 101st shatter every bone in an arm. In either example if you know something can trigger you then you probably shouldn’t be partaking in it or accept the consequences from poor decisions. Again, not a laughing or dismissive tone here just a pragmatic one.

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Posted by: Dastion.3106

Dastion.3106

Also like i said in my previous post you could see some sort of effect in the game 100 times and the 101st it can make you trip, that might sound odd to you but its true .

That doesn’t really negate the point. The guy with brittle bones could play Football and never break a bone on 100 plays and on the 101st shatter every bone in an arm. In either example if you know something can trigger you then you probably shouldn’t be partaking in it or accept the consequences from poor decisions. Again, not a laughing or dismissive tone here just a pragmatic one.

I didn’t comment on it earlier – but this really is a bad example. This is a situation of coping and being careful, not insisting on doing something that is obviously dangerous to yourself.

You can’t really make a physical sport not physical. However, you CAN change how things are rendered in a game and in fact most games, cartoons, etc. make an effort to avoid potential triggers.

A better example is someone with an allergy eating out. You can tell them “Well just don’t eat out if you risk getting sick.” When in fact it’s quite possible to do so and many restaurants make efforts to provide options and keep others aware of potential allergens.

Just like with allergens, when it comes to epilepsy you could find something that triggers a reaction (be it seizure or allergies) in every day parts of life. So completely blocking yourself off isn’t feasible or even overly effective given the precautions already in place. Whereas the odds of someone having a rough physical interaction with you tend to be small so long as you’re not in a sport.

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Posted by: Adine.2184

Adine.2184

Also like i said in my previous post you could see some sort of effect in the game 100 times and the 101st it can make you trip, that might sound odd to you but its true .

That doesn’t really negate the point. The guy with brittle bones could play Football and never break a bone on 100 plays and on the 101st shatter every bone in an arm. In either example if you know something can trigger you then you probably shouldn’t be partaking in it or accept the consequences from poor decisions. Again, not a laughing or dismissive tone here just a pragmatic one.

The problem with the brittle bones argument is he knows he could break his bones every game but in the game effect case if i’ve seen it 100 times without issue im probably not thinking the 101st is going to make me seize

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Posted by: Kodiak.3281

Kodiak.3281

The problem with the brittle bones argument is he knows he could break his bones every game but in the game effect case if i’ve seen it 100 times without issue im probably not thinking the 101st is going to make me seize

Repeating the same thing over and over doesn’t invalidate the point.

They’re doing something that is potentially dangerous for themselves regardless if it’s a 1:101 chance or a 1:1000 chance or a 1:10 chance. That’s on them for putting themselves in that chance. Whether it’s a UI element or a repeated spell effect in game by putting themselves in a scenario where they can be triggered it’s a poor decision at best. There reaches a point where a person much accept and take responsibility for the situation they find themselves in. It sucks and isn’t fair that this is their situation but it’s theirs none the less. If they want to continue, it’s on them to accept responsibility for their choice to continue in a risky activity for themselves.

The “brittle bones” kid example is obviously a hyperbolic one to show a person willfully putting themselves into a harmful situation. You wouldn’t demand they change the rules of the game in their scenario, so why demand this game be changed for another issue? From an, admittedly, heartless cost/benefit ratio decision the likely case it’s more beneficial for them to tell you to accept the game as is than spend time paying someone to redesign something like this. Look at another live example of lack of support for a color blind mode.

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Posted by: Black Box.9312

Black Box.9312

Also like i said in my previous post you could see some sort of effect in the game 100 times and the 101st it can make you trip, that might sound odd to you but its true .

That doesn’t really negate the point. The guy with brittle bones could play Football and never break a bone on 100 plays and on the 101st shatter every bone in an arm. In either example if you know something can trigger you then you probably shouldn’t be partaking in it or accept the consequences from poor decisions. Again, not a laughing or dismissive tone here just a pragmatic one.

I didn’t comment on it earlier – but this really is a bad example. This is a situation of coping and being careful, not insisting on doing something that is obviously dangerous to yourself.

You can’t really make a physical sport not physical. However, you CAN change how things are rendered in a game and in fact most games, cartoons, etc. make an effort to avoid potential triggers.

A better example is someone with an allergy eating out. You can tell them “Well just don’t eat out if you risk getting sick.” When in fact it’s quite possible to do so and many restaurants make efforts to provide options and keep others aware of potential allergens.

Just like with allergens, when it comes to epilepsy you could find something that triggers a reaction (be it seizure or allergies) in every day parts of life. So completely blocking yourself off isn’t feasible or even overly effective given the precautions already in place. Whereas the odds of someone having a rough physical interaction with you tend to be small so long as you’re not in a sport.

If you have a severe peanut allergy, then you don’t eat out without carrying the mindset that some items on the menu may potentially contain peanut ingredients. Yes, there are accommodations, but it is ultimately YOUR responsibility to ensure that you do not consume anything that could trigger an anaphylactic reaction.

Furthermore, if there is an item on the menu that explicitly mentions the use of peanut ingredients, you don’t demand that they remove said ingredients from the recipe. You just order a different dish. If OP really had an epileptic seizure due to this issue (which I’m honestly pretty skeptical about), then he should stop doing whatever is causing the problem, instead of demanding someone else to fix it specifically for his case.