Nerf stab, buff condi cleanse
Nah.
/15 tybalt
Senbu Ren[Wind]
Herald of Ventari
Herald of Ventari
Nah.
/15 tybalt
What do you see fair in 2 stacks of stab every time you dodge??
Also, don’t say to me that I just cry because I play another profession. I play rev a lot. But I absolutely hate how rev has no condi cleanse, yet has some of the most OP traits in the game.
Nah.
/15 tybalt
What do you see fair in 2 stacks of stab every time you dodge??
Also, don’t say to me that I just cry because I play another profession. I play rev a lot. But I absolutely hate how rev has no condi cleanse, yet has some of the most OP traits in the game.
If you want to make that tradeoff mallyx is there for you. Not exactly condi cleanse but it performs similarly if build for it.
Also while the stability on dodge is nice it’s not mandatory, retribution is also taken for damage reductions. Don’t forget that there is also the invocation herald that doesn’t use retribution at all.
Senbu Ren[Wind]
Herald of Ventari
Herald of Ventari
(edited by Varezenem.2813)
Nah.
/15 tybalt
What do you see fair in 2 stacks of stab every time you dodge??
Also, don’t say to me that I just cry because I play another profession. I play rev a lot. But I absolutely hate how rev has no condi cleanse, yet has some of the most OP traits in the game.If you want to make that tradeoff mallyx is there for you. Not exactly condi cleanse but it performs similarly if build for it.
Also while the stability on dodge is nice it’s not mandatory, retribution is also taken for damage reductions. Don’t forget that there is also the invocation herald that doesn’t use retribution at all.
I just think 2 stacks of stability are way to strong, as cc is the strongest way to set up burst and is also used for peeling. You simply cannot cc a rev running Retribution. Tho I guess other classes (looking at you engi) have way too much stability too and it is exactly for this reason that bunker tempests are such an easy target under focus fire. They have almost nothing against cc.
Its strong, but not OP. There’s already a small ICD where your next dodge wont give you more Stability, so heavy CC can still strip your stability and set you up for a burst. Boon Corruption/Stripping’s also still a thing if you’ve got those capable of it focusing you.
A stronger/more effective Ventari/Jalis/Mallyx would really help with our Condition spam issues, but I dont think that this needs yet another nerf seeing that its our only access to stability stacks.
(edited by Euthymias.7984)
Why should they nerf stab to buff condi cleanse? we are way past the point of give and take:
- shield was nerfed to pointlessness ( i really dunno why people take it over sword)
- riposting shadows nerf because “too evasive” when evasion was our condi defense
- phase traversal nerf for no good reason causing people to take way more damage than they should because they cant pressure properly.
Besides, taking retribution over invocation annihilates your damage so no, give us condi cleanse and don’t touch anything else, they’ve done enough damage for one year.
The good thing is, the class is not terrible, just unnecessarily more annoying to play, and i dont even think they are done. Instead of focusing on making the other legends work in PvP they waste their time on pointless nerfs.
Why should they nerf stab to buff condi cleanse? we are way past the point of give and take:
- shield was nerfed to pointlessness ( i really dunno why people take it over sword)
- riposting shadows nerf because “too evasive” when evasion was our condi defense
- phase traversal nerf for no good reason causing people to take way more damage than they should because they cant pressure properly.Besides, taking retribution over invocation annihilates your damage so no, give us condi cleanse and don’t touch anything else, they’ve done enough damage for one year.
The good thing is, the class is not terrible, just unnecessarily more annoying to play, and i dont even think they are done. Instead of focusing on making the other legends work in PvP they waste their time on pointless nerfs.
I’m not talking directly about the whole rev, just the stability uptime, which is permanent unless you cc him hard. This was ok at the start of HoT, but since then we have seen a big reduction in cc. I mean, how the hell am I suppose to cc rev with my fresh air ele? Or how the hell can I cc him with a powerlock mesmer, when I try to burst him? (I would have to use the mantra and f3, only to have him swap to shiro and instantly break -> my 2 very powerful tools are on CD, sorry but that is unfair).
If rev gets his condi cleanse and his stability stays the same, he will be OP. And who cares if you lose some damage, you can survive anything and do decent damage, I’d rather have that.
Please make revenant not be dependant on that god kitten healer ele for condi cleanse. I agree that 2 stacks of stab every time you dodge has no counter play, but give revs more condi cleanse.
Also, rev already has one of the best stunbreakers in the game, the 2 stability is just unfair for the enemy. Just like conditions are towards revenant.
No counter play? Corrupt Boon, Acrane Thievery or Bountiful thief? Oh I guess I thought up those in my head and they don’t actually exist.
As for the “problem”
1) unswap retribution
2) get salvation
3)???
4) PROFIT!!!!
Condi cleanse on dodge.
(edited by Vasdamas Anklast.1607)
Why should they nerf stab to buff condi cleanse? we are way past the point of give and take:
- shield was nerfed to pointlessness ( i really dunno why people take it over sword)
- riposting shadows nerf because “too evasive” when evasion was our condi defense
- phase traversal nerf for no good reason causing people to take way more damage than they should because they cant pressure properly.Besides, taking retribution over invocation annihilates your damage so no, give us condi cleanse and don’t touch anything else, they’ve done enough damage for one year.
The good thing is, the class is not terrible, just unnecessarily more annoying to play, and i dont even think they are done. Instead of focusing on making the other legends work in PvP they waste their time on pointless nerfs.
I’m not talking directly about the whole rev, just the stability uptime, which is permanent unless you cc him hard. This was ok at the start of HoT, but since then we have seen a big reduction in cc. I mean, how the hell am I suppose to cc rev with my fresh air ele? Or how the hell can I cc him with a powerlock mesmer, when I try to burst him? (I would have to use the mantra and f3, only to have him swap to shiro and instantly break -> my 2 very powerful tools are on CD, sorry but that is unfair).
If rev gets his condi cleanse and his stability stays the same, he will be OP. And who cares if you lose some damage, you can survive anything and do decent damage, I’d rather have that.
I was reffering to stability. And stab nerf affects the class as a whole
I’m not talking directly about the whole rev, just the stability uptime, which is permanent unless you cc him hard. This was ok at the start of HoT, but since then we have seen a big reduction in cc. I mean, how the hell am I suppose to cc rev with my fresh air ele? Or how the hell can I cc him with a powerlock mesmer, when I try to burst him? (I would have to use the mantra and f3, only to have him swap to shiro and instantly break -> my 2 very powerful tools are on CD, sorry but that is unfair).
Condi Mesmer demolishes Rev (power or condi), so is not like you don’t have any option to counter the class. Most of condi builds put Revs in a though place due even traited to cleanse is still weak in that department and the opportunity cost to get those defenses is a huge tradeoff in traits and traitlines oriented towards damage.
Please make revenant not be dependant on that god kitten healer ele for condi cleanse. I agree that 2 stacks of stab every time you dodge has no counter play, but give revs more condi cleanse.
Also, rev already has one of the best stunbreakers in the game, the 2 stability is just unfair for the enemy. Just like conditions are towards revenant.No counter play? Corrupt Boon, Acrane Thievery or Bountiful thief? Oh I guess I thought up those in my head and they don’t actually exist.
As for the “problem”
1) unswap retribution
2) get salvation
3)???
4) PROFIT!!!!
Condi cleanse on dodge.
You know only 1/3 of professions have access to boon removal?
How is a class without boon removal suppose to cc them?
I know revs have a definite counter with conditions, but the condi cleanse on dodge is pretty whack compared to the amount of conditions flying around.
I’m not talking directly about the whole rev, just the stability uptime, which is permanent unless you cc him hard. This was ok at the start of HoT, but since then we have seen a big reduction in cc. I mean, how the hell am I suppose to cc rev with my fresh air ele? Or how the hell can I cc him with a powerlock mesmer, when I try to burst him? (I would have to use the mantra and f3, only to have him swap to shiro and instantly break -> my 2 very powerful tools are on CD, sorry but that is unfair).
Condi Mesmer demolishes Rev (power or condi), so is not like you don’t have any option to counter the class. Most of condi builds put Revs in a though place due even traited to cleanse is still weak in that department and the opportunity cost to get those defenses is a huge tradeoff in traits and traitlines oriented towards damage.
I guess you haven’t read the title, aye? That is just what I am asking: nerf stability, buff condition cleanse.
I’ve seen a lot of revs asking for more condi cleanse, but unless they get a stability nerf, they will be OP. And you know very well how Anet wields the nerf hammer (either way too easy or way too har).
I am sorry but what is wrong with rev’s stability? Yes Rev’s dodge gives him 2 stacks of stability if traited, but that is not that much compared to the other professions and their defenses. And also I do not feel that spending a dodge is that smart just to get stability.
Condi cleanse would not be an issue if the legends were planned carefully. Even with jalis or ventari, condi bomb is too much to handle if your opponent is above average. Ventari should be buffed, jalis should be reworked (for cooldowns and durations, balance is a fragile thing). Mallyx seems powerful enough, never played it so cannot comment on it. But I love ventari and jalis combo, support rev idea, so I wish to see it normally.
I’ve read the whole page and I STRONGLY disagree with you: having better condition cleanses will help 0 to Revenants vs some of the strongest condi builds.
My Guardian (which has TONS of cleanses and a VIABLE ranged weapon) is unable to beat my friend’s confussion Mesmer, despite I’m able to beat His Thief with my Rev, Warrior and Guard 95-100% of times. Now that Revs lacks viable ranged game and our gap-closing game was destroyed having some extra cleanses will provide mediocre enhancements at best against classes which can spam conditions with just auto-attacks. And trading our balance for such poor reward would be useless.
What you are asking is to turn Rev (which is great vs most of power builds but poor vs condition builds) into a Rev which would be mediocre against both power and condition builds. You offer nothing in trade for the lose os a valuable tool, exactly as they did with Phase Traversal. And for playing a useless class I already have two Guardians, so my answer to your proposal is NO.
Buran pretty much nailed it. Plus OP most classes that are melee heavy can have close to 100% stability (eng, warrior and rev). So you are requesting trading stability for nearly nothing.
On poster mentioned using Salvation. LOL…. There is a reason no one plays that line or use Ventari legend. In their current stats even if Salvation gives 100% immunity to conditions no one will use it.
Please make revenant not be dependant on that god kitten healer ele for condi cleanse. I agree that 2 stacks of stab every time you dodge has no counter play, but give revs more condi cleanse.
Also, rev already has one of the best stunbreakers in the game, the 2 stability is just unfair for the enemy. Just like conditions are towards revenant.No counter play? Corrupt Boon, Acrane Thievery or Bountiful thief? Oh I guess I thought up those in my head and they don’t actually exist.
As for the “problem”
1) unswap retribution
2) get salvation
3)???
4) PROFIT!!!!
Condi cleanse on dodge.You know only 1/3 of professions have access to boon removal?
How is a class without boon removal suppose to cc them?I know revs have a definite counter with conditions, but the condi cleanse on dodge is pretty whack compared to the amount of conditions flying around.
You seem to be that type that rolls through AoEs and never dodges anything huh I am starting to think that this thread is just another ‘rev op" whine veil’d under balance request. Endure, not gonna happen.
If you want to make that tradeoff mallyx is there for you. Not exactly condi cleanse but it performs similarly if build for it.
Also while the stability on dodge is nice it’s not mandatory, retribution is also taken for damage reductions. Don’t forget that there is also the invocation herald that doesn’t use retribution at all.
Problem with Mallyx is that to maintain the condi immunity you can’t do any damage. So it’s either survive and be useless or die and be useless. Dealer’s choice.