Guild Wars 2

I play Elementalist a lot and Engineer a lot. Both classes have access to many, many different lines and weapon. For example my Engineer has Mainhand, Flamethrower and Mortar almost always equipped for 3 weapon sets. I also get access to a whole other bar of Tools effectively giving me 4 bars (with a max potential for 7 effective bars). Elementalist of course always has access to 4 bars of skills as well.

It’s important to remember, however, that NONE of these abilities are resource based and instead all cool down based. The two classes’ ability to rapid swap between ability bars and launch cool downs is unmatched.

The Revenant by comparison simply isn’t even close. For one they only have access to one main bar of abilities at all times and all utilities are hugely gated by Energy. One can’t simply swap from Jalis to Malyx and fire off both Elites. Even rocking off simple Utilities gets very expensive very quickly let alone trying to swap between two Legends.

There’s very little, if any, lasting benefits once you swap from a Legend. For example on an Elementalist I can do Staff Earth 3 for Magnetic Aura then swap to Fire and still retain that shield. As an Engineer if I lay down a set of Mortar fields then swap out I can take advantage of those. By comparison Revenant has none of these advantages because all Legend advantages are pretty much either short enough to be lost by the time you switch or simply flat out stop working when you switch such as anything Ventari related (and most things Malyx/Jalis as well).

Ultimately at this time the lack of a second weapon just isn’t justified by current design standards set by other classes. You simply don’t get enough benefit for the trade off.

Pretty much exactly this, I don’t see any valid or decent reason to make Rev a no-swap class, I feel like they’re forcing it purely because that way each armour weight has one class that can’t swap but it honestly is a terrible execution.

This should be sticky so that people stop asking for swap on ele/engi.

Nobody is comparing revenant to ele nor engi, except OP yourself and this kidel guy.

You do know that thief exist right? it’s basically revenant (without weaponswap) but on the other side of the bar.
Oh wait, so is warrior but with CDs.

so your arugment is invalid.

lighter.2708:

Nobody is comparing revenant to ele nor engi, except OP yourself and this kidel guy.

You do know that thief exist right? it’s basically revenant (without weaponswap) but on the other side of the bar.
Oh wait, so is warrior but with CDs.

so your arugment is invalid.

Are you trying to make a point or just saying random things?

lighter.2708:

Nobody is comparing revenant to ele nor engi, except OP yourself and this kidel guy.

You do know that thief exist right? it’s basically revenant (without weaponswap) but on the other side of the bar.
Oh wait, so is warrior but with CDs.

so your arugment is invalid.

Thief can customize utility skills. Legends are revenant’s way to do the same.

Also please stop comparing skills just in number.
Auto attack = healing skill, sure.

Kidel.2057:

lighter.2708:

Nobody is comparing revenant to ele nor engi, except OP yourself and this kidel guy.

You do know that thief exist right? it’s basically revenant (without weaponswap) but on the other side of the bar.
Oh wait, so is warrior but with CDs.

so your arugment is invalid.

Thief can customize utility skills. Legends are revenant’s way to do the same.

Also please stop comparing skills just in number.
Auto attack = healing skill, sure.

Lol, comparing thief and Rev is apples to oranges, just like Ele to Rev. Thief has access to traits that increase initiative regen, which is why it’s so easy to camp weapon sets on thief. Rev has no such traits for energy. Maybe if stealth was an upkeep on their initiative you could make that comparison. Matter of fact, that might fix a lot of the balancing issues with thief. >.>

Number of skills is a very important metric, it determines variability in builds and ways to approach combat. Which, believe it or not, Weapon swap helps address. Not to mention, people have already, in other threads, mentioned ways varying sets of weapons can work with different legend combinations. So, in essence this was the most cost effective solution to a severe issue with the Rev. (And I say cost effective because anything Anet works to change has very real costs, it is a business after all)

It wasn’t only the solution with less effort, but also the best ald less restrictive one.

Ok think your missing a bigger picture all the other classes you mentioned can switch utility skills and the Rev is not. So to me that’s plenty justified

Yeah my issue is that I plan to make a carrion condi build for pvp, but theres literally no point in ever taking any weapon besides mace/axe because nothing else can really apply damaging conditions. I mean with carrion I’ll have power so I could use hammer for range spam or swords… for some reason, but it already feels like I’ll have very little synergy between the weapons on this build because they are all so specialized.

I mean I’ll take corruption, and I can probably find some minor use among the other traitlines on a condi build to survive better, but still it feels a bit strange.