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Obviously there’s nothing to see until tmrw, but as of now it sounds very meh to me. Maybe I’m misreading the information but it sounds so much like the tempest with limited access

Azure.8670:

Obviously there’s nothing to see until tmrw, but as of now it sounds very meh to me. Maybe I’m misreading the information but it sounds so much like the tempest with limited access

The passive effects of the facets that sound to be only boons aren’t the coolest to me, but I’m really loving what I’ve heard about the active effects. The shield is OK to me, I’ll have to see if it works well and if it has any means of helping with offence. I’m really looking forward to making a Bard Type character though. If the auras are cool enough and if the spec doesn’t make me completely unable to kill things I think I’ll love it!

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Treetoptrickster.4205:

Azure.8670:

Obviously there’s nothing to see until tmrw, but as of now it sounds very meh to me. Maybe I’m misreading the information but it sounds so much like the tempest with limited access

The passive effects of the facets that sound to be only boons aren’t the coolest to me, but I’m really loving what I’ve heard about the active effects. The shield is OK to me, I’ll have to see if it works well and if it has any means of helping with offence. I’m really looking forward to making a Bard Type character though. If the auras are cool enough and if the spec doesn’t make me completely unable to kill things I think I’ll love it!

Glint active skills for the facets have a lot of offense.

OMG. OMG. OMG. Roy replied again! fans self

Quite the opposite for me. I’m super sold!! I can’t believe you’re not. Passive effects along with great sounding actives! What more did you want!?

@Roy, what’s wrong with you man!? I’m already overboard hyped for the Revy and now you go and do this?!!? I’m having to dailing 9-1-1 as I type this! My mind has been blown clear off my body! I’m actually scared to watch the POI tomorrow.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Quite the opposite for me. I’m super sold!! I can’t believe you’re not. Passive effects along with great sounding actives! What more did you want!?

@Roy, what’s wrong with you man!? I’m already overboard hyped for the Revy and now you go and do this?!!? I’m having to dailing 9-1-1 as I type this! My mind has been blown clear off my body! I’m actually scared to watch the POI tomorrow.

I am hyped man, I am! Especially after Roy appeased my worries. I was still hyped when I was concerned that using the shield and this spec would result in me being a tickle monster. I just want to be able to take Glint and Ventari into PvE and still be successful by myself.

I love the Herald so far. The only thing I’m worried about is how the upkeep skills may make it heavily reliant on auto-attacks.

Well, I bought a shield skin yesterday specifically to play a class that doesn’t exist yet, so now it HAS to be amazing.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

There will be some extra stuff from BWE feedback.

NOOOO!!! I’m gonna have to make reservations for the ER tomorrow.

I did play 20 hours of revenant in the last Beta and I love that proffesion, but the energy concept simply doesn’t work. Most of the times we are STARING at the enemy doing nothing just becausee we run out of energy. I get that energy management is important, but if you want to spam the skills in an optimal rotation, you spam so many skills (like you usually do with any proffesion) that you end up with no energy in no time.

I feel the weapons skills should not have energy cost, it’s what kills the revenant experience. It’s ok for the utilities/heal/elite skills, since that will give a sense of strategy to the proffesion, but for the weapons skills it’s way too awkward, confusing and as pointed above, useless if you want an optimal rotation without waiting times.

Now The Herald will have even more upkeep skills that will deplete your energy… say bye to weapon skills then, you won’t ever have energy to use weapon skills if you are using the herald upkeep ones unless you stop before each skill to catch up energy while also interrupting the upkeep (which would be a nightmare).

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Glint active skills for the facets have a lot of offense.

Hope so man, hope sooo. I want to run Shiro/Glint after all.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

I’m cool and say stuff!

But Roy, where’s our reliable Condition removal for DPS specs? Ease my worries!

ronpierce.2760:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

I’m cool and say stuff!

But Roy, where’s our reliable Condition removal for DPS specs? Ease my worries!

+1 on this, otherwise shiro|glint will be hard

Roy Cronacher.1576:

ROFL. Got to keep the hype train rolling. Make sure to watch out for the POI stream tomorrow and a post I’ll be making after. There will be some extra stuff from BWE feedback.

I still don’t fully understand the new mechanic. They just have the Facet of Nature skill constantly available? No other interactions with the rest of the ‘mechanic’? I was hoping to see the Legends represent more than just a hard coded set of 5 skills. So far as we know Revenants can’t even use Racial/Neutral skills.

There is no nuance to each Legend’s 6-0 skills at all. No special inherent mechanics for invoking a particular Legend. It’s kind of disappointing since I’d love to play a more Bardic type character but I can’t stand the lack of customization.

I wish you had given 5-6 Utilities per Legend (IE for Glint the utilities could be the 6 Facets. Or 5 of them and have the 6th be the Heal) then had the special Mechanic be some sort of special invoking of your equipped Legends.

Don’t get me wrong – I’m fine with development bumps. But so far the major issue with the Revenant (hard coded skills per legend severally limiting customization and I access to racial/neutral skills) has been completely ignored each time it’s brought up.

I’m happy you’re listening Roy and making changes like adding weapon swaps – but that just brought the total decision points for deciding our skills up from 3 to 4. Yet this doesn’t appear to be a big enough concern to address.

I am actually looking forward to tomorrow to see what roy and co had in mind for the herald. I like what i saw so far, but there are still 3 facets and all of the traits missing for the big picture. I am also not against that super shield skill that holds us in place and leaves us vulnerable behind, i just wonder can we break that cc after its use with a certain trait in invocation if we switch the legendaries ?

makagoto.1204:

I am actually looking forward to tomorrow to see what roy and co had in mind for the herald. I like what i saw so far, but there are still 3 facets and all of the traits missing for the big picture. I am also not against that super shield skill that holds us in place and leaves us vulnerable behind, i just wonder can we break that cc after its use with a certain trait in invocation if we switch the legendaries ?

I don’t see why not. After all, that requires that the bar be taken down to zero. You will still have 25 stacks of vulnerability on you in a situation where you are already being focused. Pretty cool way to turn the tide of a battle, potentially.

Misguided.5139:

makagoto.1204:

I am actually looking forward to tomorrow to see what roy and co had in mind for the herald. I like what i saw so far, but there are still 3 facets and all of the traits missing for the big picture. I am also not against that super shield skill that holds us in place and leaves us vulnerable behind, i just wonder can we break that cc after its use with a certain trait in invocation if we switch the legendaries ?

I don’t see why not. After all, that requires that the bar be taken down to zero. You will still have 25 stacks of vulnerability on you in a situation where you are already being focused. Pretty cool way to turn the tide of a battle, potentially.

if you can switch to mallyx then you can easily resist those, especially if you use facet of nature.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Treetoptrickster.4205:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Treetoptrickster.4205:

Azure.8670:

Obviously there’s nothing to see until tmrw, but as of now it sounds very meh to me. Maybe I’m misreading the information but it sounds so much like the tempest with limited access

The passive effects of the facets that sound to be only boons aren’t the coolest to me, but I’m really loving what I’ve heard about the active effects. The shield is OK to me, I’ll have to see if it works well and if it has any means of helping with offence. I’m really looking forward to making a Bard Type character though. If the auras are cool enough and if the spec doesn’t make me completely unable to kill things I think I’ll love it!

Glint active skills for the facets have a lot of offense.

OMG. OMG. OMG. Roy replied again! fans self

Haha

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Quite the opposite for me. I’m super sold!! I can’t believe you’re not. Passive effects along with great sounding actives! What more did you want!?

@Roy, what’s wrong with you man!? I’m already overboard hyped for the Revy and now you go and do this?!!? I’m having to dailing 9-1-1 as I type this! My mind has been blown clear off my body! I’m actually scared to watch the POI tomorrow.

ROFL. Got to keep the hype train rolling. Make sure to watch out for the POI stream tomorrow and a post I’ll be making after. There will be some extra stuff from BWE feedback.

Maybe it’s because you have whole new profession to create so you’re so responsive, but so far, you’re my favourite Game Designer after Colin’s Smile

Kidel.2057:

ronpierce.2760:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

I’m cool and say stuff!

But Roy, where’s our reliable Condition removal for DPS specs? Ease my worries!

+1 on this, otherwise shiro|glint will be hard

Wait to see what will be the changes on traits and skills tomorrow guys ^^

DiogoSilva.7089:

I love the Herald so far. The only thing I’m worried about is how the upkeep skills may make it heavily reliant on auto-attacks.

This was my first thought reading about it. I’m excited to try it out eventually, and see it in detail tomorrow, and I LOVE that the first Elite spec touches on the Bardish aspects of the class, but the biggest issue I had last weekend was with energy costs(with customization after that. Upkeep skills feel horrifically awkward with the way they drain energy while you’re expected to expend it on weapon skills at the same time. A full bar of upkeep skills worries me.

Roy… Im going to have to ask you to refrain from ever posting on the forums ever again! Poor Tree is gonna have a heart attack and you will be responsible for it! Now you dont want that do you??? Imagine the insurance nightmare…. hehehe j/k thank you for the heads up on things, its nice to see a post from the design team every once in a while! now about that Trahearne… <<grabs Roy’s earlobe and drags him off..>>

Im not so sure herald should be the right thing… or bard… We have a mist based heavy class and we have assigned it a classicaly medium class role and title? Not something i would have done, but im not on the team either. To me it just doesnt fit. Should feel more paladin like imho, as they have been the classic heavy protector class so to speak.

Well Roy just said on twitter that Glint is not about condi cleanse (no words about resistance yet, but I don’t think she’ll get it). Guess that Glint+Shiro will be high risk, while Glint+anything else will be viable.

CorrynnStarr.7942:

Im not so sure herald should be the right thing… or bard… We have a mist based heavy class and we have assigned it a classicaly medium class role and title? Not something i would have done, but im not on the team either. To me it just doesnt fit. Should feel more paladin like imho, as they have been the classic heavy protector class so to speak.

That class already exists it’s called Guardian.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Well Roy just said on twitter that Glint is not about condi cleanse (no words about resistance yet, but I don’t think she’ll get it). Guess that Glint+Shiro will be high risk, while Glint+anything else will be viable.

Glint/shiro is really fun. My current favorite setup is sword/shield, hammer, glint, shiro. Seeing all the skills, traits, etc in game tomorrow will give you a much better idea of everything.

Oh I’m sure it’s fun. I was hoping to use that same exact combo, legends and weapons (shield, sword and hammer are my favourite types, regardless of the class), but even pve without condi cleanse is a mess, not to mention pvp and wvw.
Well, you said nothing about resistance

I’m pretty confident you’ll do a good job. Good luck for tomorrow man, I’ll be on twitch chat all the time rooting for Herald

Well Shiro removes cripple/chill at least. Are you relying on invocation trait for the other conditions? I was hoping to pick Fury in that slot.

Seems im not alone in sword/shield+hammer Shiro/Glint lolz. I think Shiro will get condi transfer in impossible odds and Glint will get a trait to remove condi on it active part of facets..Thats just my little speculation tho.

Either way tomorrow i will make a decision between dev/retri/herald or invo..

DiogoSilva.7089:

I love the Herald so far. The only thing I’m worried about is how the upkeep skills may make it heavily reliant on auto-attacks.

Without some source of energy regen it will be reliant on auto-attack because it was said on the blog or massivelyop that the upkeep is at the cost of energy regen… I’m expecting a trait in the Glint line to affect energy regen, i.e. gain additional energy under certain conditions or something to that effect.. There’s literally no way around being 100% reliant on auto-attack if upkeep is 100% of the energy regen.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Well Roy just said on twitter that Glint is not about condi cleanse (no words about resistance yet, but I don’t think she’ll get it). Guess that Glint+Shiro will be high risk, while Glint+anything else will be viable.

Glint/shiro is really fun. My current favorite setup is sword/shield, hammer, glint, shiro. Seeing all the skills, traits, etc in game tomorrow will give you a much better idea of everything.

Oh I’m sure it’s fun. I was hoping to use that same exact combo, legends and weapons (shield, sword and hammer are my favourite types, regardless of the class), but even pve without condi cleanse is a mess, not to mention pvp and wvw.
Well, you said nothing about resistance

I’m pretty confident you’ll do a good job. Good luck for tomorrow man, I’ll be on twitch chat all the time rooting for Herald

It actually works really well in all 3 game modes. There are a lot of cool builds you can do with glint though.

I was already hyped for the glint spec…now we have Roy posting, and the skills are just sounding cooler! OMFGWTFTHIKM!!!

Elrey.5472:

I did play 20 hours of revenant in the last Beta and I love that proffesion, but the energy concept simply doesn’t work. Most of the times we are STARING at the enemy doing nothing just becausee we run out of energy. I get that energy management is important, but if you want to spam the skills in an optimal rotation, you spam so many skills (like you usually do with any proffesion) that you end up with no energy in no time.

I feel the weapons skills should not have energy cost, it’s what kills the revenant experience. It’s ok for the utilities/heal/elite skills, since that will give a sense of strategy to the proffesion, but for the weapons skills it’s way too awkward, confusing and as pointed above, useless if you want an optimal rotation without waiting times.

Now The Herald will have even more upkeep skills that will deplete your energy… say bye to weapon skills then, you won’t ever have energy to use weapon skills if you are using the herald upkeep ones unless you stop before each skill to catch up energy while also interrupting the upkeep (which would be a nightmare).

Your Problem is the word spam. Revenant is not made to be a spammy Profession. Just because every other Profession Spams their Skills, does not mean that the Revenant has to be built around that aswell.

TheFantasticGman.9451:

DiogoSilva.7089:

I love the Herald so far. The only thing I’m worried about is how the upkeep skills may make it heavily reliant on auto-attacks.

Without some source of energy regen it will be reliant on auto-attack because it was said on the blog or massivelyop that the upkeep is at the cost of energy regen… I’m expecting a trait in the Glint line to affect energy regen, i.e. gain additional energy under certain conditions or something to that effect.. There’s literally no way around being 100% reliant on auto-attack if upkeep is 100% of the energy regen.

Not all Facets have to be > -5 Regen. If some of them are -4 for example, you still have 1 Pip of Energy regen and can use everything else, you are just regenerating your Energy slower.

I think glint and jalis will be a great combo, however I think right now there is not really a good power dps build partner for shiro and shiro also lacks a logical ranged weapon, I’m sorry but using hammer as a ranged weapon for shiro is just wrong in my mind, maybe I’m to roleplay, but it needs something more assassin like shortbow.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Well Roy just said on twitter that Glint is not about condi cleanse (no words about resistance yet, but I don’t think she’ll get it). Guess that Glint+Shiro will be high risk, while Glint+anything else will be viable.

Glint/shiro is really fun. My current favorite setup is sword/shield, hammer, glint, shiro. Seeing all the skills, traits, etc in game tomorrow will give you a much better idea of everything.

Oh I’m sure it’s fun. I was hoping to use that same exact combo, legends and weapons (shield, sword and hammer are my favourite types, regardless of the class), but even pve without condi cleanse is a mess, not to mention pvp and wvw.
Well, you said nothing about resistance

I’m pretty confident you’ll do a good job. Good luck for tomorrow man, I’ll be on twitch chat all the time rooting for Herald

It actually works really well in all 3 game modes. There are a lot of cool builds you can do with glint though.

I hope Glint offers both offense and defense depending on whether we upkeep or detonate XD.

S/Sh sounds nice. I am still more interested in changes from previous BWE than Glint to see what sort of feedback you guys thought was good and what was good/bad with the class. It still needs a lot of polishing but we are going in good direction.

Then cometh the Glint which I am sure will be cool!

Btw, hammer is awesome and all but I hope next BWE will have skills like Temporal Rift, Coalescence of Ruin, Searing Fissure, Grasping Shadows etc fixed because often they didn’t hit, go further and so on.

Also noticed sometimes queuing for Sword AA was… buggy.

They’re not. Don’t worry, every forum post is read.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Well Roy just said on twitter that Glint is not about condi cleanse (no words about resistance yet, but I don’t think she’ll get it). Guess that Glint+Shiro will be high risk, while Glint+anything else will be viable.

Glint/shiro is really fun. My current favorite setup is sword/shield, hammer, glint, shiro. Seeing all the skills, traits, etc in game tomorrow will give you a much better idea of everything.

I’ve been theorizing Shiro & Glint with Staff & Sword+Shield/Hammer (depending on the sitch). I found Staff and Shiro really good fun last BWE, and can see these two being my main set up, with alternating secondary legend and weapon set. I think shiro’s quickness upkeep with glints nature facet is going to be really strong, and I’m really looking forward to trying this out next BWE.

Trahearne: “this won’t end well”

NapTooN.6283:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

DiogoSilva.7089:

I love the Herald so far. The only thing I’m worried about is how the upkeep skills may make it heavily reliant on auto-attacks.

Without some source of energy regen it will be reliant on auto-attack because it was said on the blog or massivelyop that the upkeep is at the cost of energy regen… I’m expecting a trait in the Glint line to affect energy regen, i.e. gain additional energy under certain conditions or something to that effect.. There’s literally no way around being 100% reliant on auto-attack if upkeep is 100% of the energy regen.

Not all Facets have to be > -5 Regen. If some of them are -4 for example, you still have 1 Pip of Energy regen and can use everything else, you are just regenerating your Energy slower.

I’d like to see at least a -3 or some -3 and some -2 so you can make some combinations and not drawing energy :-)

Something I want to add since I think Roy may actually read it here is that displace is an awful skill in pvp, whenever I get displaced I wonder if I’m lagging, it is very jarring and not well implemented at all, for a game with such a great combat system that plays so smoothly this skill is the one thing that is ruining it, if I wanted to play a game and feel like im rubber banding all over the place I would connect via a vintage 56k modem… this is how it feels…

Vavume.8065:

Something I want to add since I think Roy may actually read it here is that displace is an awful skill in pvp, whenever I get displaced I wonder if I’m lagging, it is very jarring and not well implemented at all, for a game with such a great combat system that plays so smoothly this skill is the one thing that is ruining it, if I wanted to play a game and feel like im rubber banding all over the place I would connect via a vintage 56k modem… this is how it feels…

Guild Wars 1 has some awesome Rubberbanding from time to time aswell ;-)

The name it’s not so Epic ………

Kenji Deathraven.2879:

The name it’s not so Epic ………

10 x better than Dragon Hunter.

I like Herald… Using this definition:
“a person or thing viewed as a sign that something is about to happen.”

I think is pretty dang cool. Plus the sound of it fits a heavy armored class.

IMO Facet of Nature needs a way to transfer boons and stacks on the Revenant to the party, that alone would make it meta even while being the lowest DPS class, if you run Mace and invocation you can easily have fury up each 5-10 seconds and stack by yourself 10-15 might alone, transfer that plus boon uptime and you have the most bang for buck boonspamming for the party after elemenalist

Rygg.6237:

IMO Facet of Nature needs a way to transfer boons and stacks on the Revenant to the party, that alone would make it meta even while being the lowest DPS class, if you run Mace and invocation you can easily have fury up each 5-10 seconds and stack by yourself 10-15 might alone, transfer that plus boon uptime and you have the most bang for buck boonspamming for the party after elemenalist

I’m not sure rev dps is lower than ranger mes and necro

Vavume.8065:

Kenji Deathraven.2879:

The name it’s not so Epic ………

10 x better than Dragon Hunter.

make that a 100 times or better yet lets just agree that Dragon Hunter is the lowest low possible.

Azure.8670:

Rygg.6237:

IMO Facet of Nature needs a way to transfer boons and stacks on the Revenant to the party, that alone would make it meta even while being the lowest DPS class, if you run Mace and invocation you can easily have fury up each 5-10 seconds and stack by yourself 10-15 might alone, transfer that plus boon uptime and you have the most bang for buck boonspamming for the party after elemenalist

I’m not sure rev dps is lower than ranger mes and necro

Idk abou mes, but dps is much compared to ranger and necro

In another thread i posted solo of lupi with sword rev that took 16min. Here is ranger 7min and necro 9min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EPtQQ_yYrA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk2NNMxp3t4

So yeah, its terrible. Legendary assasin my a..

Forum fix ahoy.