Guild Wars 2

Before you come in here and bash me. All I want are the revenant’s renegade traitline info. DOES ANYONE have a screen shot ANYONE lol plsssss I’m dying to read them.. Its not fair everyone else gets to read there traitlines but us :/

8/14/2017 – So the traits came out scroll down to read em to my latest messaged, or click the link https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renegade

Elite specs are next preview weekend, not this one, unfortunately. And not everyone has gotten to see theirs. Soulbeast, for example, also hasn’t gotten much attention from the peeps who were in the press/partner preview. We know the minor adapt and the grandmasters, but nothing of the rest in-between.

Kreed.2768:

Elite specs are next preview weekend, not this one, unfortunately. And not everyone has gotten to see theirs. Soulbeast, for example, also hasn’t gotten much attention from the peeps who were in the press/partner preview. We know the minor adapt and the grandmasters, but nothing of the rest in-between.

“Not this one” ?

Are you saying that the Renegade elite spec will not be among those playable next week ?

Source ?

Hexalot.8194:

Kreed.2768:

Elite specs are next preview weekend, not this one, unfortunately. And not everyone has gotten to see theirs. Soulbeast, for example, also hasn’t gotten much attention from the peeps who were in the press/partner preview. We know the minor adapt and the grandmasters, but nothing of the rest in-between.

“Not this one” ?

Are you saying that the Renegade elite spec will not be among those playable next week ?

Source ?

No, I’m saying it’s not playable in the current preview weekend that’s going on as I’m writing this – none of the new elite specs are. We’ll be able to play them in the next one, which is, as you say, next week.

http://i.imgur.com/VGJFGxQ.jpg Renegade traits

Cenda.2814:

http://i.imgur.com/VGJFGxQ.jpg Renegade traits

Thank you! MVP

But the traits are kind of a letdown, I was hoping at least they would be OK after the terrible skills.

Finally! Cenda, you’re the man! Time to theorycraft…

Sweet. I saw the Soulbeast’s were datamined, so came over to the Rev section to see if Renegade was also mined. Nice!

I’m mostly okay with what I think the grandmasters are, however there’s too much “gain kalla’s fervor” spam in these traits. It’s not that hard to get the buff to begin with. I think they should change at least 2 of these to do something else.

Also, let us share kalla’s fervor pls

I would also suggest switching Sudden Reversal (currently minor) with vindication(currenty major). Sudden reversal doesn’t do much for us in pve, while Vindication can be used to our advantadge in any of the 3 gamemodes.

Cenda.2814:

http://i.imgur.com/VGJFGxQ.jpg Renegade traits

Ruh-roh.

That seems a PvE oriented traitline.

I mean:

• You gain stacks of Fervor and enhanced damage and Fury as long as you don’t evade.

• Is mostly a dps enhancer vs non dangerous foes, with a couple of team oriented traits.

• There’s a single cripple, which is the only cc available (soft orhard).

• The traitline has 0 stunbreaks, 0 condition cleanses, 0 access to swiftness, quickness, motion gaps or invulnerability frames. And of course there’s no stability: ANet will give stealth + backstab to the Orr Abominations before letting a Rev to gain access to stability.

So, that is. I see very poor sinergy with the Corruption traitline. Theoretically the Renegade spec brings the condi Rev the ability to wield a ranged hybrid weapon (short bow), enhances the damage and that’s all. Summons are pretty much useless pets for anything besides fighting the A.I.

The shortbow itself has his own set of problems (no defensive skill in a 5 skill weapon, no cc, no mobility), and I guess that most of Revs interested in using a hybrid build for roaming or PvP will use Mallyx + Shiro. Is possible that some of them even resign the shorbow because as pure damage dealers the mace + axe combo seems stronger and due the lack of defensive capabilities of both setups (shortbow/mace+axe) one of them should make room for the staff (otherwise two evades and a couple of stunbreaks are the only obstacle between you and the death).

Buran.3796:

ANet will give stealth + backstab to the Orr Abominations before letting a Rev to gain access to stability.

Except they have a legend and a traitline almost dedicated to defense and stability

The shortbow itself has his own set of problems (no defensive skill in a 5 skill weapon, no cc, no mobility),

Skill 5 is a line that knocks down foes for 2 seconds on a 20 sec CD

Have you even read the skills?

The rest at least isn’t to far off.

Vennyhedgie.5369:

Buran.3796:

ANet will give stealth + backstab to the Orr Abominations before letting a Rev to gain access to stability.

Except they have a legend and a traitline almost dedicated to defense and stability

Except Jalis doesn’t either work as a tank or as a bruiser. No one uses Jalis in Conquest or roaming; if you fight against any bruiser or tank in the game (including Ventari Rev) using Jalis in your build you will gonna die.

Something is wrong when your legend devoted to defense do reduce your sustain and chances of survival if you use it. And I’m not asking for stability: I’m now used to play without stab. What I’m searching for is for solutions to make the duels vs classes with high mobility and easy access to stealth and power/condition burst and cc (thieves, mesmers… ) to be less one-sided. That’s the reason due I don’t see things like shortbow #5 being a thing, outside PvE raids. I can’t land an interruptable AoE over a foe that I can’t watch, and the burn duration seems small (so I can’t figth in my own flames as easily as a Warrior).

Just for the sake of lisibility, the wiki also has them clean

ThomasC.1056:

Just for the sake of lisibility, the wiki also has them clean

Thank you very much for this!

Looking at these traits, why do people think the Shortbow will make condi dmg good for rev?

It’s not that it will make it good. Condi rev is already good, the problem is that it doesn’t have any ranged condi damage, which is what shortbow provides

Vennyhedgie.5369:

It’s not that it will make it good. Condi rev is already good, the problem is that it doesn’t have any ranged condi damage, which is what shortbow provides

I’m assuming the skills do then? Cuase don’t really see any in the traits heh.

Fractured.3928:

Vennyhedgie.5369:

It’s not that it will make it good. Condi rev is already good, the problem is that it doesn’t have any ranged condi damage, which is what shortbow provides

I’m assuming the skills do then? Cuase don’t really see any in the traits heh.

Well you can get up to 20% condi damage with the traits, more so for bleeds (though this doesn’t really affect current condi rev much).

But yeah I admit I was expecting more condi interaction. Too many traits are variations to get kalla’s fervor, and a couple are in quite the wrong places.
We’re forced to take a minor trait that gives us a knockdown on stun break but the only stun break renegade has is on its heal, which is already super weird in and of itself. That needs to be looked at.

Vennyhedgie.5369:

But yeah I admit I was expecting more condi interaction. Too many traits are variations to get kalla’s fervor, and a couple are in quite the wrong places.
We’re forced to take a minor trait that gives us a knockdown on stun break but the only stun break renegade has is on its heal, which is already super weird in and of itself. That needs to be looked at.

The weirdness was due to the wiki literally having the traits in the wrong places. Looks like somebody fixed them though, so I’m saved from trying to create an account and edit stuff.

Thiazi.1250:

Vennyhedgie.5369:

But yeah I admit I was expecting more condi interaction. Too many traits are variations to get kalla’s fervor, and a couple are in quite the wrong places.
We’re forced to take a minor trait that gives us a knockdown on stun break but the only stun break renegade has is on its heal, which is already super weird in and of itself. That needs to be looked at.

The weirdness was due to the wiki literally having the traits in the wrong places. Looks like somebody fixed them though, so I’m saved from trying to create an account and edit stuff.

Oh is the current order the correct one? I can’t really tell which one’s minor and major from the screenshots I saw so I have to go with what the wiki says

Fractured.3928:

Vennyhedgie.5369:

It’s not that it will make it good. Condi rev is already good, the problem is that it doesn’t have any ranged condi damage, which is what shortbow provides

I’m assuming the skills do then? Cuase don’t really see any in the traits heh.

Except for the 10%-20% condi damage of Kalla’s fever, the 25% Bleed Duration under Fury, and the 25% extra bleed damage, ya?

Now I’m wondering whether Grieving or Viper stats will be better for them.

I’m disappointed we didn’t get any energy regen in the traits. The renegade abilities have insane energy costs. >_<

xarallei.4279:

I’m disappointed we didn’t get any energy regen in the traits. The renegade abilities have insane energy costs. >_<

Then it would be better to reduce energy costs on abilities, instead of introducing a trait that would very likely end up becoming “mandatory,” which cripples build diversity.

Well yes, but you know they aren’t going to do that. So having some sort of trait was the last hope…

Kreed.2768:

xarallei.4279:

I’m disappointed we didn’t get any energy regen in the traits. The renegade abilities have insane energy costs. >_<

Then it would be better to reduce energy costs on abilities, instead of introducing a trait that would very likely end up becoming “mandatory,” which cripples build diversity.

The issue of mandatory for builds would be compounded by this energy trait being in Renegade, an elite spec. How they would balance that in the future would be a nightmare.

Kreed.2768:

Hexalot.8194:

Kreed.2768:

Elite specs are next preview weekend, not this one, unfortunately. And not everyone has gotten to see theirs. Soulbeast, for example, also hasn’t gotten much attention from the peeps who were in the press/partner preview. We know the minor adapt and the grandmasters, but nothing of the rest in-between.

“Not this one” ?

Are you saying that the Renegade elite spec will not be among those playable next week ?

Source ?

No, I’m saying it’s not playable in the current preview weekend that’s going on as I’m writing this – none of the new elite specs are. We’ll be able to play them in the next one, which is, as you say, next week.

Ah yes, my apologies. I read that totally wrong, LOL.

ThomasC.1056:

Just for the sake of lisibility, the wiki also has them clean

Thank you sir !

Hmmm… so the core Corruption trait already gives a 20% boost to Torment damage.

Renegade trait will now allow you to boost bleed damage by 25%.

Kalla’s Ferver can stack up to 20% damage on top of the above boosted Conditions, plus increase our other Condi such as Confusion and Burning by same 20%.

LOL… WvW Condi bomb incoming !

Spell Breaker will become mandatory in all squads.

Edit: forgot about Ferocious aggression in Invocation trait (additional 7% condi dmg with fury).

OK, I gave in and looked at them.
I am excited.

The Renegade seems to be an offensive support for groups (especially for condition damage). It does not offer much otherwise.

As someone else mentioned, no CC break, sustain or stability. It will not be used in sPvP the way it is currently structured.

These are the Elite Specs for the revenant Renegade.

Minor Adept – Ambush Commander – When you critically strike, or attack your enemies from behind or their flanks, you’ll inspire yourself with Kalla’s Fervor.
Gain access to Citadel Order abilities.

Major Adept – Ashen Demeanor –
Disabling a foe cripples your enemy, which leaves them vulnerable and inspires you with Kalla’s Fervor.

Major Adept – Blood Fury – Fury increases the duration of bleeds you inflict. Gaining fury inspires you with Kalla’s Fervor

Major Adept – Wrought-Iron Will – Evading an attack inspires you with Kalla’s Fervor and grants boons to nearby allies

Minor Master – Brutal Momentum –
While at full endurance, increase your chance to critically strike. Gain vigor when you gain fury

Major Master – All for One –
Using Legendary Renegade abilities grants protection to allies near the summoned warband member.

Major Master – Heartpiercer – Your short bow skills now pierce. Bleeding you inflict deals more damage

Major Master – Sudden Reversal – Unleash a roar at nearby enemies when you break a stun, knocking them down.

Minor Grandmaster – Endless Enmity – Gain fury when you critically strike a foe below the health threshold.

Major Grandmaster – Lasting Legacy –
Kalla’s Fervor you inspire lasts longer. Increase your maximum potential stacks of Kalla’s Fervor.

Major Grandmaster – Righteous Rebel – While you have maximum stacks of Kalla’s Fervor, receive reduced damage from conditions. Orders from Above lasts longer and affects a larger area.

Major Grandmaster – Vindication – Gaining Kalla’s Fervor grants you might. Citadel Bombardment pulls more missiles into Tyria for every stack of Kalla’s Fervor affecting you.

aimz.6287:

These are the Elite Specs for the revenant Renegade.

Minor Adept – Ambush Commander – When you critically strike, or attack your enemies from behind or their flanks, you’ll inspire yourself with Kalla’s Fervor.
Gain access to Citadel Order abilities.

Major Adept – Ashen Demeanor –
Disabling a foe cripples your enemy, which leaves them vulnerable and inspires you with Kalla’s Fervor.

Major Adept – Blood Fury – Fury increases the duration of bleeds you inflict. Gaining fury inspires you with Kalla’s Fervor

Major Adept – Wrought-Iron Will – Evading an attack inspires you with Kalla’s Fervor and grants boons to nearby allies

Minor Master – Brutal Momentum –
While at full endurance, increase your chance to critically strike. Gain vigor when you gain fury

Major Master – All for One –
Using Legendary Renegade abilities grants protection to allies near the summoned warband member.

Major Master – Heartpiercer – Your short bow skills now pierce. Bleeding you inflict deals more damage

Major Master – Sudden Reversal – Unleash a roar at nearby enemies when you break a stun, knocking them down.

Minor Grandmaster – Endless Enmity – Gain fury when you critically strike a foe below the health threshold.

Major Grandmaster – Lasting Legacy –
Kalla’s Fervor you inspire lasts longer. Increase your maximum potential stacks of Kalla’s Fervor.

Major Grandmaster – Righteous Rebel – While you have maximum stacks of Kalla’s Fervor, receive reduced damage from conditions. Orders from Above lasts longer and affects a larger area.

Major Grandmaster – Vindication – Gaining Kalla’s Fervor grants you might. Citadel Bombardment pulls more missiles into Tyria for every stack of Kalla’s Fervor affecting you.

LOL… someone is late to the party. Look further up the thread.

Hexalot.8194:

aimz.6287:

These are the Elite Specs for the revenant Renegade.

Minor Adept – Ambush Commander – When you critically strike, or attack your enemies from behind or their flanks, you’ll inspire yourself with Kalla’s Fervor.
Gain access to Citadel Order abilities.

Major Adept – Ashen Demeanor –
Disabling a foe cripples your enemy, which leaves them vulnerable and inspires you with Kalla’s Fervor.

Major Adept – Blood Fury – Fury increases the duration of bleeds you inflict. Gaining fury inspires you with Kalla’s Fervor

Major Adept – Wrought-Iron Will – Evading an attack inspires you with Kalla’s Fervor and grants boons to nearby allies

Minor Master – Brutal Momentum –
While at full endurance, increase your chance to critically strike. Gain vigor when you gain fury

Major Master – All for One –
Using Legendary Renegade abilities grants protection to allies near the summoned warband member.

Major Master – Heartpiercer – Your short bow skills now pierce. Bleeding you inflict deals more damage

Major Master – Sudden Reversal – Unleash a roar at nearby enemies when you break a stun, knocking them down.

Minor Grandmaster – Endless Enmity – Gain fury when you critically strike a foe below the health threshold.

Major Grandmaster – Lasting Legacy –
Kalla’s Fervor you inspire lasts longer. Increase your maximum potential stacks of Kalla’s Fervor.

Major Grandmaster – Righteous Rebel – While you have maximum stacks of Kalla’s Fervor, receive reduced damage from conditions. Orders from Above lasts longer and affects a larger area.

Major Grandmaster – Vindication – Gaining Kalla’s Fervor grants you might. Citadel Bombardment pulls more missiles into Tyria for every stack of Kalla’s Fervor affecting you.

LOL… someone is late to the party. Look further up the thread.

Lol I know I’m a bit late but sometimes people don’t want to click links or are scared too and that’s okay lol so that’s why I posted it here. Or people don’t want to click link and just want to stay on the same page because it takes them 20 years to open up a page on the internet because they got poor connection or poor hard drive any factor may be so yea FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW! LOL

^^
Channeling Glint.

Ok, someone had to it so I will….

https://youtu.be/5QbpGm13aQg