Guild Wars 2

• Revenant

Infuse Light: Reduced the duration from 4 seconds to 3 seconds.

Phase Traversal: Added a 5-second recharge.

Crystal Hibernation: Increased the recharge from 20 seconds to 25 seconds.

Soothing Bastion: Increased the recharge from 20 seconds to 25 seconds.

Surge of the Mists: Reduced the damage by 15%.

Quick observations:

On Infuse Light – I’m not sure if that was the right treatment as this kinda affects majority of Revenant builds that didn’t need to be affected (like Support Revenant which already had only this as reliable self-heal), but I’ll have to check it.

On Phase Traversal – Fair change, although I think increasing the range to 1500 along with it wouldn’t hurt.

On Crystal Hibernation – Before the expansion hit I’d say it’s totally fair. After, I’m not sure – there’s so much CC (!!!) and damage that it became really essential.

On Soothing Bastion – I believe that if anything, this trait should be 30s CD. This is essentialy Vampiric Rune 2.0 instead of being a supportive trait. Right now, the boon increase part of this trait doesn’t even work (!) and with introducement of Minstrel amulet and boon duration as stat on it, that 2s boon duration boost is even less valuable.

On Surge of the Mists – Fair. It’s purpose wasn’t damage in the first place.

Now on what is needed:

Inspiring Reinforcement change – It’s been discussed countless times. Out of all Jalis skills, I have least profit from using this one. I use it for stomping and against Mesmers and that would be it.

Mallyx – There’s a lot that could be changed, but what Mallyx needs absolutely ASAP is a stunbreak, same as Ventari. With current state of Dragonhunters, Druids and Chronomancers not having a stunbreak is incredible risk and that’s a part of the reason why Shiro actually works – it has a very good stunbreak.

Specializations – Many traits are leftovers of Pre-Specialization patch, like majority of traits in Invocation (all Masters for example), some in Retribution, a lot in Corruption (I proposed changes for this one in lenghty thread), half of them in Salvation and couple in Devastation (Dismantle Fortifications? Jade Echo?)

Mace – This is only weapon using main hand or two hands that doesn’t have a single block or evade and you can feel it. Yes, technically you can get off-hand with block, but by sacraficing Axe for example you lose a pull that lets you keep someone in fire field and worst of all – a gapcloser. Which for Melee-only set is important.
Adding a short evade or 2 Torment instead of 1 per hit on Mace #3 would help it out.

Sword OH – Sword #5 would feel more natural if first it shadowstepped your character in range for the pull.

Ventari stuff – I wrote a lot about it:

Bugs – Walls and other structures being our greatest enemies, Staff #4 cleansing when it’s in mood for it and others I won’t list because they have been already. These still exist.

We’ll see how it rolls out and praise our Lord and Savior, Roy Cronacher – a true Revenant at his heart (although he leveled Chrono first).

Congrats on your first nerf since release

Nerfs were needed though. Personally, I’d stike at couple different places to raise skill floor and improve visibility on some things, but I’m not a Dev.

I can see why they nerfed staff 5, considering I could take people from half to downstate with it sometimes in pvp lol. But of course you had to line it up good to even get all the hits with it.
But I’m a bit iffy with the shield 5/heal nerf with all the CC/damage in the game.

These changes concern me. Not because they weren’t needed or unjustified but because it’s too much too quickly. What they need to be doing is small, small iterations. Try increasing the cool down on Crystal Hibernation. Is that not enough? Okay decrease the amount of time healed on Infuse Light. Doing too much too fast doesn’t really show where the issues truly are. There’s no easy way to walk back on these changes if we suddenly were to turn into dead meat because was it Infused Light or Crystal Hibernation?

This is especially true with something like Infuse Light which has such potential to be a nothing heal and boom…your heal is now wasted.

I don’t like the staff nerf. You had to position perfectly in order to land all the hits on it and that took a lot of effort but w/e. Phase Traversal nerf isn’t too bad but 3 seconds would have been better.

We have a lot of bugs which I think should be dealt with first.
Hammer 5 goes on full cd if canceled. Hammer 2 still bugs out like crazy on inclines and it doesn’t hit at its full animation range. Sword 5 still doesn’t pull all the time and sword 5 also has huge connectivity issues. Staff 4 doesn’t remove condition 99% of the time. UA still bugs out and stops entirely if used near a wall and same issue with jalis’s hammers.

Mallyx feels really under tuned and same with jalis/ventari. Jalis taunt should just be a pull. Also Inspiring Reinforcement needs to be 2s stab. Ventari still needs a lot of work I have only used it once in a fractal 64 for the projectile destroy and condi removal. The tablet needs to auto spawn on legend swap and move with the revenant. It should be command-able to move and should auto return if it goes at a set range. Also mallyx’s unyielding anguish doesn’t seem to be a 600 range leap. It feels much less for some reason.

Hammer 3 needs to have a faster cast the jump seems to have a little delay before fully hitting the ground. Staff 2 should just be a daze with one part. The two part thing is not a good design. Axe 5 needs to have a wider pull range because it’s too small atm. Sword 4 part 2 needs a range increase to 500 at least. It feels really small.

Aside from that we have a lot of traits that I think will never see play at all. A lot of them being grandmasters which is really sad. Dismantled fortifications, maniacal persistence, and bolster fortifications, enhanced bulwark are some of the few.

I felt really weak when i switched on and put jalis, ventari, or mallyx. It seems Shiro and glint are fully complete. Jalis is almost there it just needs a minor buff to the road, taunt could be a pull, and the hammer spawns not being buggy. Mallyx needs some more pressure and compatibility with the grand master traits. I also still dont know why pain absorption is on the bar since it provides pretty much nothing except for more resist. Ventari needs the tablet spawn on switching to ventari really badly. Ventari also needs regen coming from the tablet baseline and that not being a trait anymore.

Good luck guys revenant will become warrior 2.0 just wait 6 months and we will be a loot bag. Devs just nerf things without thinking or trying out.

I don’t like the Infuse light nerf, it’s basically only about knowing when not to attack, the easiest heal to counter really. What are we supposed to do when we’re facing opponents with brains? At least they could have buffed other heals since some of them are just pathetic.

Phrase Traversal – why exactly is that bad? Thief can port over and over, too and guess what it doesn’t require you to have a target exactly where you wanna go.

Also, can you please finally fix Unrelenting Assault so it doesn’t say ‘’No line of sight’’ on every single object and other stuff in the game? That would be great.

Kodiak.3281:

These changes concern me. Not because they weren’t needed or unjustified but because it’s too much too quickly. What they need to be doing is small, small iterations. Try increasing the cool down on Crystal Hibernation. Is that not enough? Okay decrease the amount of time healed on Infuse Light. Doing too much too fast doesn’t really show where the issues truly are. There’s no easy way to walk back on these changes if we suddenly were to turn into dead meat because was it Infused Light or Crystal Hibernation?

This is especially true with something like Infuse Light which has such potential to be a nothing heal and boom…your heal is now wasted.

I’m ok with it from a PvE perspective. For me, these seem like relatively modest changes. Having an absolutely blast, especially since with the skill point change, I have the full line unlocked.

Infuse light makes little sense as we have to rely for someone to attack. Gotta see how it play out. Soothing bastion cd doesnt really matter. But crystal hibernation increased cd by 5sec? Why? Someone wants us to run sword offhand by making shield terrible? Phase traversal cd is obviously dumb so say the least..

Phase Traversal cooldown should only be in effect if a target was not hit. It now loses much of its counterplay for unblockable component. It also forces the hand that much further for Axe offhand which is a poor change for balance sake.

Infuse Light, get it, but its a dramatic change of 25% reduction in healing basically. The base heal when used should be increased to compensate.

Crystal Hibernation and Soothing Bastion is fine but really energy increases are better than cooldown increases. It promotes smarter play through the finite resource of Revenant. Is having mobility out of the question with this skill to balance it against cooldown increase?

Surge of the Mists makes sense except it’s becoming less and less useful to use over much of the other options available. The fact that this didn’t gain Whirl Finisher to offset is one such balance issue.

Can’t really complain about these changes. However I’d like to see :

Radiant Revival brought in line being a 30 second ICD and 3 second duration.

Jade Echo reduced to a 45 second ICD.

Some QoL fix when switching from Glint to Shiro without letting upkeep skills completely degenerate you causes inability to use Impossible Odds for a few moments.

Hammer autos reduced to 3/4 sec

put revenant in expansion, make it feel complete and not needing a nerf, wait for buyers of the expansion, release expansion, nerf revenant.

Aldrin.7641:

put revenant in expansion, make it feel complete and not needing a nerf, wait for buyers of the expansion, release expansion, nerf revenant.

..And disappear from forum like a ghost.

Aldrin.7641:

put revenant in expansion, make it feel complete and not needing a nerf, wait for buyers of the expansion, release expansion, nerf revenant.

Yep, you read my mind

The Revenant has 2 heals though.

The thing is tho..glint heal dindt needed a nerf. Most ppl already adapted to not hit us during glint heal. These nerfs are uncalled, espesially phase traversal.

Now im waiting for 10cd on riposting shadows cus 2stronk.

I feel upset about phase traversal change. Even if it’s fair, the problem here for me is, it takes away a little bit of fun. This mobility in certain situations was so fun, it gave the class a certain feel. Maybe putting a cd on it isn’t the best option to shave it down, maybe increase ene cost would make more sense? It’s an ene based ability after all, it’s like put a cd on thief’s ability along with the ini requirement.

And i agree with OP on Crystal H., it’s basically a melee oh kitten ability, there’s sooo much cluster kitten in melee nowadays, cc after cc after cc, it’s crazy rly and this ability is a block anyway, not invuln and there’re tons of unblockable stuff flying around everywhere today. So i’am not sure it was necessary.

oh look, Roy has fallen silent, and we get QoL nerfs because of PvP whiners.

this is why I have trust issues with ANet devs.

PvP really is a blight to this game’s balance.

perhaps they should nerf infiltrator’s arrow with a 5 second CD too, considering it’s the exact same ability and doesn’t require a target.

Well like i said nerfs was needed (but i’m little sad about 1 seconde reduction on glint heal), Herald is too much powerfull. NOW i’m agree with Rym suggestions and agree with others who said: JALIS AND MALLYX need buffs! If it’s not a complete rework! Inspiring reinforcement take at leat 2 seconds to give us 1 stack of stability (and WHY a road?) make the stability instant and change the animation. The taunt is near useless in pvp and pve. ROTGD need to be lowered in cast time or increase in duration. We need to feel the TANKY vibe of this legend, Jalis was a great guy he deserve better! We lost our tankyness from Glint with those nerfs, time to Jalis to become the tank guy he must be!
Rym also has said that Mallyx need a stunbreak and i completly agree with that, this legend is defensless without it. I would suggest myself too bring back the condition sharing of Embrace the darkness and maybe change some corruptions traits for feeting to the new role on the legend: condition dealer. Why is a demon lord more useless than a dragon? He deserve to have a true power.
I don’t have play so much Ventari, infact i don’t like healing role, but this legend is so clunky!

So to sum up. Glint is our 200% legend and she is nerf (she deserve it), now, for the love of god make the 3 others legends (ventari, mallyx and jalis) playable, buff them, rework them for being at the same level than shiro or glint stance. Please. I really LOVE the revenant, but being stuck to Shiro/Glint when we have barely 5 legends it’s an AWFULL feeling.

PS: There is a lot of bugs that need to be fixed too. The hammer 2 and 3, Jailis’ hammers disappearing when hitting a wall, Jalis heal don’t giving 2 seconds of retaliation…

Don’t let us be like warriors who seems to have no attention for devs please.

Really can’t understand why my ventari can’t heal.
Just some calculation (all at allies):
My scrapper can convert 55 conditions into boons and remove 20.
His healing: ~27100 with all regens (may be more with turret) per ally. This healing for >15 seconds. Burst healing ~ 10900 (for >6 seconds for combos spamming. With turret ~20100 per 10 seconds with lond cd).
Ventari: ~5 conditions from allies (cos no energy for tablet) with staff.
Healing: 3600* number of harmonies = 12800 per 6 seconds with regan from the tablet (by one ally).
So, why i can’t really heal anyone at pvp? Condies problem, but i can get dwarf or demon. Dwarf good protect against burst dmg.
I have avoid at sword (2 sec), block staff (1 sec), staff 5 (1 second), block af left hand sword (2 sec).
But why i have no survivability with that all? healing about <<100 k per fight? Afraid fight 1 by 1 with anyone….

Infuse LIght – This was again L2P thing, if you don’t attack Revenant for 4s he can’t heal can’t he but no we have to water down the game for the casuals, well if the duration is reduced then it is rightful to ask bigger initial heal isn’t because 1.8K is a joke for 30s CD.

Surge of the Mists – that is such a difficult skill to land its full damage most of the time stars will not align and you can only land 3K damage out of 10K I think there is no reason to punish a person that has a skill to land that 10K damage but whatever, specially in PVE in a scenario like you are near ledge and take huge risk to land the full damage a miscalculation and you fall down and die.

And I don’t get the Phase Traversal thing why developers are so obsessed to make the Thief most mobile class in the game, they reckt the Ride The Lightning that way also. Did you look to the energy cost of Phase Traversal, if a player spams it, it gimps itselfs. I am telling this is just nerfed because Thiefs can’t runaway from the Revenant. I am wandering how much a Thief developer has to do with it?

I honestly dont get the infused light nerf. The heal mechanic already relies on a mechanic where ur opponent in most cases doesnt play optimal. Id rather see its mechanic reduced to its current 3 or 2s, while increasing the base heal, so that u have a lil skill factor involved timing it at the very right moment. At the same time this could hurt condi bombs though where u have to have some heal sustain during those previous 4 sec.

Wow!!! What is it with these nerfs? So uncalled for. The expansion isn’t a week old yet and already the Rev is getting mad hate. Anet pretty much ruined the only good skills the rev had going for it. Apart from having to deal with energy management, now you have to deal with cd’s too. I guess anet expects the rev to just auto attack his way to victory. The Rev profession was the only reason I bought this expansion. Now if anet nerf’s UA, I’m pretty much just deleting my rev as this profession is starting to seem so lackluster and far less fun to play.

I miss some CD on autoattack, no? Hm… Thief doesn’t have any CD on his “energy”-related skills but we? Thief can spam spam spam until it’s over but we?

Where is the different? Decide between CD and energycost otherwise this mechanic doesn’t make really sense in my opinion.

If there will be a CD on something so decrease the energycosts.

And what about CoR, Phase Smash and Drop the Hammer? Miss some bugfixes for terrain casting? No?

The terrain in HoT is a terrain where e.g. CoR doesn’t hit in ~95%

You should have rules for balancing a class. Rule #1: first fix bugs before nerf something!

Ilharn.6813:

You should have rules for balancing a class. Rule #1: first fix bugs before nerf something!

And balance legends?

gannondorf.7628:

Ilharn.6813:

You should have rules for balancing a class. Rule #1: first fix bugs before nerf something!

And balance legends?

Oh sure… yes you’re right… Let’s call it “bugfixing”^^

Ilharn.6813:

gannondorf.7628:

Ilharn.6813:

You should have rules for balancing a class. Rule #1: first fix bugs before nerf something!

And balance legends?

Oh sure… yes you’re right… Let’s call it “bugfixing”^^

I mean it would be far more easy than other classes you only have 5 skills per legends! Why are they so unbalanced! Jalis and Mallyx serve near to nothing when glint is superman… sorry supergirl.

The mallyx balance change was to nerf herald a tad

Yup, we definitely need to put cooldowns on thief’s skills. We can’t have them stay without CD even though they need to manage initiative. Slap 5s CD on skills 2-5 on every weapon.

So you decide you need to tone down Phase Traversal, how you go about it? You could i.e. increase energy cost by 5 pts., make 1 attack unblockable instead of 2 and make unrelenting assault last 3-4 s. instead of 5. OR. You could i.e. make range 900 instead of 1200. Both of those seem reasonable enough. But 5 second cd? Oh my god. You managed to create something genuinely fun and now you kitten on it. Devs, you aware that ports in your game fail at times, right? Right? Before the nerf, if it failed, well, you go about it again. Now? You’re done. This is a such poorly thought through decision, such poor logic, just why you do things like that, you’re game devs for heavens sake.

And Crystal Hibernation. Do you guys have experience in being present in some team fights where dh’s, eles, reapers unload their stuff? You play your own game, right? Right? You know that cc now is AoE. It’s not targeted at you, it’s just there because those classes are there. Shocking auras, aoe fear, aoe daze again and again. And how do you come up with increased cd on shield block then? Where it comes from? Your concern was rev’s sustain in 1v1’s and small skirmishes? I.e. you could perhaps lower the healing from it then? No?

I’am so sad right now. Why you do things like that, why you don’t think things through? Rev is extremely fun class, please do not kill it with utterly misplaced and poorly designed nerfs.

101 of how to make fun class less fun by ANet :P

It steadily becomes less and less fun with more and more CDs. How thieves would like CDs on their INI skills?

I agree with Phase Traversal failing very often. Then you’re down on energy and have to wait 5s… . Lazy nerf.

So why are you nerfing REV before fixing bugs?

When will you fix Hammer 2,3,5 so it is actually hitting consistently? When will you fix Sword 3 so it doesn’t get put on CD without doing anything and/or stopping because of a wall ? When will you fix Sword 5 to actually pull stuff and not just tele back 95% of the time without pulling (non-defiance enemies!). When will you fix Forced Engagement so it actually does what it’s supposed to do ? Taunt not actually taunting even though enemies have no defiance bar or it’s broken?

So many bugs but hey, lets nerf rev before fixing them because no logic.

You what is so disappointed about the Phase Traversal nerf, is PVE, you now out PT Rev doesn’t have really good mobility and we don’t have good AOE also I was using to port target to target to tag them and get XP.

Now 5s CD I have to walk one side to other side with my 130 range on my weapons

Please add 5cd on 5th skill from thief shortbow, add 5cd on 2th skill of sword from thief, reduce defiant stance duration from warriors too please, the duration is 3+3/4, and my glint is 3secs, are warriors special classes or what?

I actually can’t believe they nerfed staff 5, A skill you truly had to get a solid angle with or you would hit less than 3 times (OUT OF 9). Yet they keep unrelenting assaults FREEEEEEEEEEEEEE DAMAGE the same.

Do you just never want us to use staff? I hope at least the condi removal on it is fixed…?

What. A. Joke.

Kirk.3086:

Really can’t understand why my ventari can’t heal.
Just some calculation (all at allies):
My scrapper can convert 55 conditions into boons and remove 20.
His healing: ~27100 with all regens (may be more with turret) per ally. This healing for >15 seconds. Burst healing ~ 10900 (for >6 seconds for combos spamming. With turret ~20100 per 10 seconds with lond cd).
Ventari: ~5 conditions from allies (cos no energy for tablet) with staff.
Healing: 3600* number of harmonies = 12800 per 6 seconds with regan from the tablet (by one ally).
So, why i can’t really heal anyone at pvp? Condies problem, but i can get dwarf or demon. Dwarf good protect against burst dmg.
I have avoid at sword (2 sec), block staff (1 sec), staff 5 (1 second), block af left hand sword (2 sec).
But why i have no survivability with that all? healing about <<100 k per fight? Afraid fight 1 by 1 with anyone….

Ventari’s #1 issue is energy consumption. It’s too expensive to use (forget about the learning curve for the tablet positioning) and do nothing else but autoattack. If you compare it to Druid or Scrapper or even Water Elementalist focused build, it pales in comparison.

Infuse Light: Reduced the duration from 4 seconds to 3 seconds.

This seems fair, although I would have liked to have seen a bit of a reduction in cooldown to match the nerf.

Phase Traversal: Added a 5-second recharge.

I really dislike this change. This is what made us so good mobility wise, and it already had a high energy cost. You could have upped the energy cost to 25 or 30, but I really dislike having cooldowns with skills that already have energy costs, which are supposed to balance it all out anyways. You only have a finite amount of energy, and spamming Phase Traversal expended our resource very quickly.

Crystal Hibernation: Increased the recharge from 20 seconds to 25 seconds.

This change makes sense. The healing still feels fairly low. I would like to be able to move while using it or you could at least let it scale with healing power.

Soothing Bastion: Increased the recharge from 20 seconds to 25 seconds.

This also seems fair, but could benefit from the changes above. 2 second boon duration feels way too low though.

Surge of the Mists: Reduced the damage by 15%.

This makes sense. It wasn’t meant to do damage anyways.

Amiron.1067:

Surge of the Mists: Reduced the damage by 15%.

This makes sense. It wasn’t meant to do damage anyways.

Sry but what it should do if it is not doing damage, it is 20 CD skill god sake and best scenario in which could land 9 hits, which rarely happens, could do 10 K damage and knock somebody down.

posthumecaver.6473:

Amiron.1067:

Surge of the Mists: Reduced the damage by 15%.

This makes sense. It wasn’t meant to do damage anyways.

Sry but what it should do if it is not doing damage, it is 20 CD skill god sake and best scenario in which could land 9 hits, which rarely happens, could do 10 K damage and knock somebody down.

It’s a great CC and quick evade. Staff is not a damage weapon, so I don’t mind the damage nerf to #5. That said, staff still has problems that I would like to see fixed:
-long cooldowns compared to other Revenant weapons
-long cast time on #2 makes it unwieldy
-high energy costs (#2 triggered ability, #4, and #5)

I personally propose (i) a reduction in cooldown of staff #5 to 15 seconds and so that it can be used more as a sustainable evade/CC rather than burst damage; (ii) reduction in energy cost of #4 to 10 energy, and/or cooldown reduction to 12 seconds (iii) reduction in cast time of #2 from 3/4 to 1/2 second.

fluidmonolith.3584:

posthumecaver.6473:

Amiron.1067:

Surge of the Mists: Reduced the damage by 15%.

This makes sense. It wasn’t meant to do damage anyways.

Sry but what it should do if it is not doing damage, it is 20 CD skill god sake and best scenario in which could land 9 hits, which rarely happens, could do 10 K damage and knock somebody down.

It’s a great CC and quick evade. Staff is not a damage weapon, so I don’t mind the damage nerf to #5. That said, staff still has problems that I would like to see fixed:
-long cooldowns compared to other Revenant weapons
-long cast time on #2 makes it unwieldy
-high energy costs (#2 triggered ability, #4, and #5)

I personally propose (i) a reduction in cooldown of staff #5 to 15 seconds and so that it can be used more as a sustainable evade/CC rather than burst damage; (ii) reduction in energy cost of #4 to 10 energy, and/or cooldown reduction to 12 seconds (iii) reduction in cast time of #2 from 3/4 to 1/2 second.

Fluidmonolith said everything I wanted to say. To summarize; staff isn’t a weapon based around damage. The #5 is meant to disperse a crowd. The damage is second to that first feature.

Amiron.1067:

fluidmonolith.3584:

posthumecaver.6473:

Amiron.1067:

Surge of the Mists: Reduced the damage by 15%.

This makes sense. It wasn’t meant to do damage anyways.

Sry but what it should do if it is not doing damage, it is 20 CD skill god sake and best scenario in which could land 9 hits, which rarely happens, could do 10 K damage and knock somebody down.

It’s a great CC and quick evade. Staff is not a damage weapon, so I don’t mind the damage nerf to #5. That said, staff still has problems that I would like to see fixed:
-long cooldowns compared to other Revenant weapons
-long cast time on #2 makes it unwieldy
-high energy costs (#2 triggered ability, #4, and #5)

I personally propose (i) a reduction in cooldown of staff #5 to 15 seconds and so that it can be used more as a sustainable evade/CC rather than burst damage; (ii) reduction in energy cost of #4 to 10 energy, and/or cooldown reduction to 12 seconds (iii) reduction in cast time of #2 from 3/4 to 1/2 second.

Fluidmonolith said everything I wanted to say. To summarize; staff isn’t a weapon based around damage. The #5 is meant to disperse a crowd. The damage is second to that first feature.

What’s a better way to disperse a crowd than make them all lay down on their backsides? :P

The issue people have is that Staff 5 is it doesn’t follow target as it is pushed away so the line up and full attack with damage almost never fully hits because the target needs to stay exactly in front of you as it is being knocked back and can’t have a break bar, stability or any other defensive option like block, interrupt, etc.

I agree though, it’s out of place in staff and always has been. Staff 5 should really be much lower cooldown, much lower damage, a whirl finisher, remove the knockback (yep, I said it), make it stick to target, probably remove the evade and swapped with 2 Skill. Staff Skill 2 should be made instant (so you know, it can actually interrupt), swapped with 5 skill and given the 20s cooldown instead. Therefore it remains the primary damage attack of the staff (for energy) and also fixes staff 2 badness.

Why do we still have energy if almost every single skill has a cd? Thief skills with initiative have no cd. I understand that some skills don’t have to be spammable, but then at least lower the energy cost on them.

And fix stuff please. We still waste a lot of energy on things that do not work (hammer3, sword3, and so on).

I like the suggestion in this thread that Staff #2 should be just plain daze, without flip-over skill. Would make it worth using.

nothing surprised, glint shield got nerfed as expect and CD on phase traversal is also expected

Individual nerfs aren’t the end of the world. But this class sure is starting to feel a lot different than the one we got to play in the betas.

Beta Mallyx/Jalis sold me on the class. Now its all cool downs, bugged mist/phase skills, and Shiro/Glint. Lost a bit of that complexity and uniquenes.

Rym.1469:

• Revenant

Bugs – Walls and other structures being our greatest enemies, Staff #4 cleansing when it’s in mood for it and others I won’t list because they have been already. These still exist.

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We’ll see how it rolls out and praise our Lord and Savior, Roy Cronacher – a true Revenant at his heart (although he leveled Chrono first).

Yes this! I feel that people aren’t talking about this much for revenant when it is really the biggest problem. Skills such as hammer 2, sword auto attack and skill 3 are also some skills that are affected by structures which no other profession has to deal with from what I have noticed.

Rym.1469:

I like the suggestion in this thread that Staff #2 should be just plain daze, without flip-over skill. Would make it worth using.

That is a good point. The flip-over nature of the skill makes it really unreliable to use as an interrupt. I get that it would lose some of it’s unique flavor, some damage, and application of weakness if it were just a daze, but on the other hand it would actually be useful as an interrupt.

The question is, what would we propose for the energy and cooldown of a 1/4 sec PbAoE daze?
Currently costs 15 energy and has minimum 5 second cooldown. I wouldn’t like to see the cooldown too high, because I think the high energy cost would minimize too much daze spamming. Maybe keep the 15 energy cost and cooldown somewhere between 5-10 seconds?

fluidmonolith.3584:

Rym.1469:

I like the suggestion in this thread that Staff #2 should be just plain daze, without flip-over skill. Would make it worth using.

That is a good point. The flip-over nature of the skill makes it really unreliable to use as an interrupt. I get that it would lose some of it’s unique flavor, some damage, and application of weakness if it were just a daze, but on the other hand it would actually be useful as an interrupt.

The question is, what would we propose for the energy and cooldown of a 1/4 sec PbAoE daze?
Currently costs 15 energy and has minimum 5 second cooldown. I wouldn’t like to see the cooldown too high, because I think the high energy cost would minimize too much daze spamming. Maybe keep the 15 energy cost and cooldown somewhere between 5-10 seconds?

since thieves has no cd daze on 3/10 initiative i’d say to make 5s cd and 20 energy

I’d go with 8s CD and 10-15 energy.

I would prefer get out energy from weapon(we have cd yet).
Or get out energy cost from elit skills and ult (like a thief).
P.s. new daggers at elit skill allow thief daze 3 target with 25 sec cd with 0 initiative (and increase spell cd).