Guild Wars 2

Awesome changes. Thanks Roy you the best

Thanks a lot Roy!

nice. you just… took the issues and fixed them. always good to see.

Biggest change being the outgoing heal bonuses now working with Ventari.

#ClericsRevenantHype

Thank you very much for sword buff

Looks awesome, thank you Roy! <3

Excellent changes. Glad to see Maniacal Persistence buffed

All good. Thanks Roy.

I read Jalis changes…. and i dropped a tear :‘D
Now i hope the hammer collisions will be more forgiving because right now there are many places in Itzel village where you just can’t even cast (it on bridges mostly)
And now i know why some traits felt like they were not their because,…well they were not working in fact. Can’t wait for the next Revenant test!
<3

Inspiring Reinforcement: Decreased the stability per pulse from 6 seconds to 1 second. Increased the recharge from 5 seconds to 10 seconds and its energy cost from 25 to 30.

This pretty much kills Jalis for WvW. Stability is already incredibly limited on the Revenant as is with no other skills adding multiple stacks of Stability for any notable duration. Inspiring Reinforcement was the #1 thing keeping it a viable contender with Shiro.

Most cases when on the run (which you are constantly moving in WvW) Inspiring Reinforcement was the only thing that was going to get you through with Stability. On the run, you are only affected by a single stack of Stability. Standing in the field generated is not an option in the highly mobile world of WvW where mobility = Life.

At this stage there’s no point going Jalis over Shiro which will provide you with a far superior Stun Break (evasion, condi removal, stun break, and endurance return) for far less energy and access to Super Speed on demand for repositioning. Our Offensive stance just became the most defensive.

This also sends us to the back line in WvW permanently in large groups because we also lack the Stability to keep up with and hang on the Front Line now as well.

1 second of Stability functionally speaking doesn’t work in WvW.

Chooooo Chooooo! TY ROY!!! \o/

All mist-traveling skills act as an evade…fantastic.

“Unrelenting Assault: Increased the damage by 30%. This skill will now evade while your character is preforming this attack.”

GG everything without a pet, minion, or clone in 1v1 XD Jesus, I thought the skill hit hard already just needed evade frames. This is gonna WRECK
Thanks Roy, now I’ll destroy enemies even easier!

“Grasping Shadow: Decreased the recharge from 20 seconds to 15 seconds and increased the damage by 75%.”

Yep. Dual Sword Revenant is gonna be a complete powerhouse now BRING ON THE NEXT BETA WEEKEND, BABY!

I think the changes to Inspiring Reinforcement where perhaps too severe. From your explanation you make it sound like a slight adjustment, but you’ve removed a lot of the stability and increased the cost + recharge time. I guess we’ll see how it plays out in the next BWE, but my initial reaction is that you went too much in the other direction

Everything else looks good though.

best news ever
/charcar

Wait a sec. Legendswap 10s cd ooc, isn’t that a bit too much? I was expecting maybe 3. With 10 seconds it’s too punishing. IO ooc wasn’t even a big deal.

Still hoping for an option for ranged condi. Mace is not enough.

Many of them are good changes, but i dont understand a few things;

1. Debilitating Slam.

We already complained about high energy usage, so im not sure if this one is justiced.

2. Renewing Wave.

Blast finisher was needed without a doubt. But why animation wasnt reduced? Its one sec selfroot. Its alsoa condi cleanse skill but by the time i ire it off i may eat 3k burn from guardian..

3. Surge of the Mists.

I still believe it could use reduced cd, but that that it evade we have to see how it play out.

4. Sword in general

Damage buffs was needed, im not sure if skill 2 cuts it off but we shall see next beta. Howered whats about unrelenting assault? Will it continue attacking all clones/pets or even ambient mobs?

5. Enchanted Daggers

Remove icd plz.. Its still terrible. If you plan to to keep icd then at least increase duration of daggers to 20 seconds.

6. Legendary Centaur Stance

Why we are still forced to summon the tablet manually?

7. Inspiring Reinforcement

This one i dont understand..its a straight nerf. I can understand stability due to new trait in herald..but cd increase? Will it at least pulse stability right away?

8. Nefarious Momentum

Will be still be able to cancel cast jade winds without losing energy? Just curious about that one as i thought it was a bug so i didnt abused it (much) last beta.

9. Condition cleanse

That issue was not adressed.. What the..?

10. Energy

Why you wont let us transfer energy form one legend to another one if we have build it up above 50%?

And now a white pearl;

Glad to see almost all of these changes, I am concerned that I might have to dumb down my build and get travelers runes again though Being slow in a roam/havoc group is never a good thing.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

It was too punishing to be locked into a skill where you had no control over your character.

Rangers with sword say ‘hi’.

Glad your taking our feedback seriously9even if you never once responded to people feeling like a lack of utility customization)

Appreciate a dev actually caring about a class.

oh and anyway we could get Ventari elite cast time lowered, hard to use against moving targets, because they move out of the way too easily

Kodiak.3281:

Inspiring Reinforcement: Decreased the stability per pulse from 6 seconds to 1 second. Increased the recharge from 5 seconds to 10 seconds and its energy cost from 25 to 30.

This pretty much kills Jalis for WvW. Stability is already incredibly limited on the Revenant as is with no other skills adding multiple stacks of Stability for any notable duration. Inspiring Reinforcement was the #1 thing keeping it a viable contender with Shiro.

Most cases when on the run (which you are constantly moving in WvW) Inspiring Reinforcement was the only thing that was going to get you through with Stability. On the run, you are only affected by a single stack of Stability. Standing in the field generated is not an option in the highly mobile world of WvW where mobility = Life.

At this stage there’s no point going Jalis over Shiro which will provide you with a far superior Stun Break (evasion, condi removal, stun break, and endurance return) for far less energy and access to Super Speed on demand for repositioning. Our Offensive stance just became the most defensive.

This also sends us to the back line in WvW permanently in large groups because we also lack the Stability to keep up with and hang on the Front Line now as well.

1 second of Stability functionally speaking doesn’t work in WvW.

I agree that it seems a bit overkill. A reduction to 3 seconds wouldn’t have phased me, but I’m not certain it’ll be worth casting WvW, especially if it isn’t changed to start pulsing faster. On the other hand, 6 seconds + the possible boon duration is a bit much.

It was never really meant to be—or that functional as—a pre-buff. You drop it to prevent allies from being cc’d within its area, which 1 second stab accomplishes. However, a couple more seconds would provide a nice little margin for error.

I am excited for the changes to staff though.

BlazeQ.1095:

Glad to see almost all of these changes, I am concerned that I might have to dumb down my build and get travelers runes again though Being slow in a roam/havoc group is never a good thing.

If you run Glint you get an infinite swiftness with if I remember correctly a -1 Upkeep cost so you shouldn’t need those traveler runes.

Lots of swiftness and superspeed. Rev is probably the fastest heavy armor class right now

Thorquist.8126:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

It was too punishing to be locked into a skill where you had no control over your character.

Rangers with sword say ‘hi’.

I tried staying away from rev forums due to a blindness plague but this broke me too funny.

“Invoking a legend will now have a 10 second recharge while out of combat.”

So, would this prevent us from swapping out a legend while we’re out of combat until the 10 second cooldown is off?

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Hey, everyone! I’m back to bring you all a list of changes based on feedback from our first Beta Weekend Event.

I guess I’ll ask here seeing as you’re the most active developer on the forum right now: Will we get threads and general developer feedback on the other elite specs like Tempest and Dragon Hunter too, now that they had their first beta weekends?

Eles, Necros and Guardians seem to really lack – even minor – developer responses in their plights.

Manarain.7940:

“Invoking a legend will now have a 10 second recharge while out of combat.”

So, would this prevent us from swapping out a legend while we’re out of combat until the 10 second cooldown is off?

lol it means the legend swap has a 10 sec cd

That’s probably what it means. 10 secs is too much ooc.

Also no condi cleanse problem addressed for power builds

The legend swap ooc was completely unnecessary as super speed from impossible odds works exactly like swiftness out of combat, and many classes already have perma swiftness avaliable to them.
The Inspiring reinforcement may have gone too far. Meanwhile forceful engagement is still using 50 energy.

Recursivision.2367:

Kodiak.3281:

Inspiring Reinforcement: Decreased the stability per pulse from 6 seconds to 1 second. Increased the recharge from 5 seconds to 10 seconds and its energy cost from 25 to 30.

This pretty much kills Jalis for WvW. Stability is already incredibly limited on the Revenant as is with no other skills adding multiple stacks of Stability for any notable duration. Inspiring Reinforcement was the #1 thing keeping it a viable contender with Shiro.

Most cases when on the run (which you are constantly moving in WvW) Inspiring Reinforcement was the only thing that was going to get you through with Stability. On the run, you are only affected by a single stack of Stability. Standing in the field generated is not an option in the highly mobile world of WvW where mobility = Life.

At this stage there’s no point going Jalis over Shiro which will provide you with a far superior Stun Break (evasion, condi removal, stun break, and endurance return) for far less energy and access to Super Speed on demand for repositioning. Our Offensive stance just became the most defensive.

This also sends us to the back line in WvW permanently in large groups because we also lack the Stability to keep up with and hang on the Front Line now as well.

1 second of Stability functionally speaking doesn’t work in WvW.

I agree that it seems a bit overkill. A reduction to 3 seconds wouldn’t have phased me, but I’m not certain it’ll be worth casting WvW, especially if it isn’t changed to start pulsing faster. On the other hand, 6 seconds + the possible boon duration is a bit much.

It was never really meant to be—or that functional as—a pre-buff. You drop it to prevent allies from being cc’d within its area, which 1 second stab accomplishes. However, a couple more seconds would provide a nice little margin for error.

I am excited for the changes to staff though.

Oh I’m super excited for all the changes, just that one was way over kill and deeply affects WvW my primary game mode. Personally I’d be okay with 3s because at maximum boon duration that’s around 6s again of stab max.

Personally what I’d rather see is it give multiple stacks of Stability in slower pulses. For example first pulse (when dropped) it gives 3 stacks for 3 seconds, then halfway through it pulses again for another 3 stacks for 3 seconds. First pulse is guaranteed to hit the Revenant as well. This would be actually pretty useful but not in such an OP amount.

Problem is I think Devs look at total up time rather than what is functionally useful when it comes to Stability. For example the pinnacle of Stability right now is pretty much “Stand your Ground” on a Guardian. They probably see it as not so good, 5 stacks for 5 seconds to 5 people with a “huge” 30s cool down. Except the fact it’s instant cast/instant effect, 360 AOE and multiple stacks basically make it amazing for WvW and most front line groups are in fact bottle necked by requiring 2-3 Guardians for that one skill alone. Then they look at something like Inspiring Reinforcement, see that it’s a skill with potential for 100% up time on Stability and all the red flags go off even when it wasn’t nearly as powerful as they think because functionally you’ll rarely sit at 100% up time because you can’t afford to stand in a field like that. Hell put the thing on a 30s cool down as well, I don’t care, just give me the multiple stacks of Stability I need to stay functional in WvW!

TY Roy – it is a great feeling to see how active you are here in the forums and that you listen to the commiunity to make the Rev realy awesome Its obvious that the recent changes came right out of the commiunity and this is just how it has to be done – you and your team are doing a great job and im happy to be 100% sure to main a Rev as soon as it releases

But i still have 2 cents to add for the Base-Revenant

1) Revenant needs more access to Condi-cleanse – Shiro coud do it on Riposting Shadows e.g. (Ventari and Jalis are ok i think)

2) Mallyx (please love him as much as you love Shiro / Glint)
This is a bigger topic imho – the whiole system works nice on paper but feels extremey lackluster in actual gameplay

a) you can suck up minutes of Cripple and insane amounts of burning and poison (jeez i got over 90seconds of cripple during the Event where you dig the Wyvern eggs in Verdant Brink from my group … with no chance to clean it cuz i ran Mallyx Shiro – there is NO way to handle this large amount with resistance)

b) in organized groups it feels the other way – condis are cleansed realy quick what makes the whole +dmg per condi and the +turment stuff pretty useless

c) no condi clean if running alone – mallyx shall be stronger with conditions thats the base idea .. he shall play with them and your foe should regret applying them to you … but at the end of the day the Condition Master Mallyx has no way to cean himself…
Skills like Banish Enchantment or Embrace the Darkness coud solve this. Also all things where we find “copy conditions” could be “transfer conditions”

To adress the idea of “more condis make me stronger” every applied condition should apply a boon stack (best with the same duration as the applied condition) – revenant skills now calculate their stuff based on that boon instead of the condition itself (this also enables good counterplay as this boon could be ripped off)

3) swiftness (lets be honest – nothing kills the fun of exploring more than waking around in slow motion)

regardless of glint (as i just talk about the base rev) we still need more access to OOC swiftness imho – some simple trait in invocation pls – i would totally sacrafice the “take less falling damage” thing for a speed increase

4) forceful engagement is imho still too expensive to be useful (and too short in PvE)- i think 35 energy are enough

5) was the 10sec cd on Legend swap OOC neccesary? – pllease give us access to viable swiftness and no one would spamm the IO -> swap swap -> IO Rotation as it makes us heavily weak for surprise attacks

6) Energy – PLEASE let us keep our current energy on Legend Swap if we have more than 50. To gain a good stable Energy pool >50 we need to start slow into combat – this point should not be ruined if we need to swap legends.

7) ventari tablet – it REALLY needs to be casted isntantly on Legend Swap to Ventari … all utils need this tablet so there is no reason to not summon it on legend swap

Thats it

Im looking forward for the next iteration and also for playing the Herald and could not honor you and your whole team enough for your hard great work ;D

Thorquist.8126:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

It was too punishing to be locked into a skill where you had no control over your character.

Rangers with sword say ‘hi’.

Haha xD im sure every ranger died at least once on the high ways in the dredge caves ;D (i failed way too often with that skill)

Griffith.7238:

BlazeQ.1095:

Glad to see almost all of these changes, I am concerned that I might have to dumb down my build and get travelers runes again though Being slow in a roam/havoc group is never a good thing.

If you run Glint you get an infinite swiftness with if I remember correctly a -1 Upkeep cost so you shouldn’t need those traveler runes.

But if you run Glint you cant run Shiro/Malyx. Will do some theory crafting though and see what possibilities are available.

That rolling mist change is HUGE. HUGE i tell you. Only needing 60% crit chance + fury to trigger a 100% crit rate bring the possibility of different stats. I’m surprised by the evades, but agree with the concept because it does get you killed when fighting multiple enemies. Can’t wait to hop back into my rev for Beta Week 2!

Well, it’s a step in the right direction. Very happy with the sword buffs. And while it’s not no cd, reduced cd for shiro’s siphon heal is better than nothing. We’ll see how it works in the next beta.

Only thing that is very disappointing is the lack of condi cleanse if you go for a dps shiro/glint spec.

Since so many are asking for condi cleanse I’m sure it will be considered. Shiro+Glint has none.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Hey, everyone! I’m back to bring you all a list of changes based on feedback from our first Beta Weekend Event.

I guess I’ll ask here seeing as you’re the most active developer on the forum right now: Will we get threads and general developer feedback on the other elite specs like Tempest and Dragon Hunter too, now that they had their first beta weekends?

Eles, Necros and Guardians seem to really lack – even minor – developer responses in their plights.

I think the general consensus is that at least in the case of Ele’s and Guards those classes have an already sound base class where as the Rev is new and needs a lot more feedback and work. Not that that excuses the Devs from giving less attention to the other and equally important classes ,but those classes are done with the exception of the elite spec where as the Rev isn’t finished in any capacity.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

• Phase Traversal: This skill can now be used on a target out of range to close the distance similar to how Infiltrator’s Signet on thief works.

Seriously? That sounds like a bit too good…
I wonder how far away it can be activated, closing 2400 range for 40 energy would be so whoosh

Gonna Heal them all. #hype train

Seriously? Considering how hard condis hit? Even in pve they hurt.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Since so many are asking for condi cleanse I’m sure it will be considered. Shiro+Glint has none.

Revenant as a whole is designed to not have much condition cleanse. That’s not to say there won’t be any tweaks for removal, but it won’t be any large changes. can’t have everything.

^This. Every build has its counter and unless we are running Mallyx that will probably be our counter. At least we get access to Mallyx unlike some classes that can not and will never be able to handle condi’s well.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Since so many are asking for condi cleanse I’m sure it will be considered. Shiro+Glint has none.

Revenant as a whole is designed to not have much condition cleanse. That’s not to say there won’t be any tweaks for removal, but it won’t be any large changes. can’t have everything.

Something would be great ahah
At least to make powerbuilds viable on pve.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Since so many are asking for condi cleanse I’m sure it will be considered. Shiro+Glint has none.

Revenant as a whole is designed to not have much condition cleanse. That’s not to say there won’t be any tweaks for removal, but it won’t be any large changes. can’t have everything.

I can accept that. Mainly because I prefer group play vs solo play. Groups working together can do so much more.

Solid changes and much needed stuff has been implemented, this will bring a lot to the table for Revenant, also +100000 points for listening to the feedback this is what the game needs for fixing profession balance issues. I still think that we need to see how Revenant works after the changes and fine tune some stuff before it can go live.

As of Jalis I think it will be the least used stance, it now has the best heal on Revenant but asides the (needed) change of RotGD and Soothing Stone it’s been left kind of in the same spot, the stance will be used because of RotGD and Soothing Stone instead of Soothing Stone and Inspiring Reinforcement.

The profession’s survival and support possibilities have grown a lot thanks to Herald skills and traits, and I just can’t wait to try out how Herald does.

The main problem currently is that managing energy is troublesome in tight situations, you have to chose if you use burst or defense because you just use up 40-70% energy in just 2-5 seconds, I still think that utilities could have their energy cost reduced given that we make some sort of balance like 1 second of CD=2% energy or something like that.

The other problem left is that everyone was underwhelmed by the DPS the Revenant had, I too found it was the lack of damage modifier on traits, we currently have 3 thanks to changes and herald, it’s yet to be seen how impactfull they’ll be on overall DPS but my guess is that Staff and Swords with the damage modifier traits will leave Revenant around Warrior/Guardian DPS capabilities, I’d like to see mutilate defenses deal extra 5% damage to foes suffering from vuln, but I guess it’s too overkill to have 3 damage modifiers in the same traitline, I already have thought in 2-3 new builds I’d like to try out.

Also the guy on the Herald teaser pic is a norn? or just a Sylvari on steroids?

Kidel.2057:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Since so many are asking for condi cleanse I’m sure it will be considered. Shiro+Glint has none.

Revenant as a whole is designed to not have much condition cleanse. That’s not to say there won’t be any tweaks for removal, but it won’t be any large changes. can’t have everything.

Something would be great ahah
At least to make powerbuilds viable on pve.

There is Jalis, Ventari, and Staff. It’s not like we don’t have it you just want it on the Legends and Weapons you want to use which is understandable ,but not realistic every single class has this problem where you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Pugs are not always what you may want.

Some self condi cleanse should be viable even without Jalis.
I hardly imagine myself doing some fractals without self cleanse.

Yeah griffith, but this means that shiro+glint is not a viable combination unless you equip staff just for cleanse, reducing your dps a lot compared to sword, or giving up to ranged option.

I get that condis are revenant’s weak point, but we should at least be able to use powerbuilds without exploding for burninf in CoF.

Adrian Guardian.9480:

Roy Cronacher.1576:

• Phase Traversal: This skill can now be used on a target out of range to close the distance similar to how Infiltrator’s Signet on thief works.

Seriously? That sounds like a bit too good…
I wonder how far away it can be activated, closing 2400 range for 40 energy would be so whoosh

Well, it will take 8 seconds to regenerate 40 energy while in Shiro stance so that’s likely to be the limiting factor. Also, the skill only works if you have a target, so out of combat mobility when there’s no targets in sight will still be pretty low.

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Kidel.2057:

Since so many are asking for condi cleanse I’m sure it will be considered. Shiro+Glint has none.

Revenant as a whole is designed to not have much condition cleanse. That’s not to say there won’t be any tweaks for removal, but it won’t be any large changes. can’t have everything.

Besides conditions, what other weaknesses do you expect there to be, Roy?