Revenant unplayable without Herald spec
Well, that’s why we’re getting the balance patch, right? I’d wait and see how that turns out first.
Yeah, Revenant leveling experience is awful because far too much of their usability is tied to the Herald elite spec, and even then their gameplay is too railroaded.
This is why I keep saying Revs badly need a new core weapon and a core legend tied to the Invocation line that, rather than having a specific role, both focus on versatility and synergy with other weapons & legends. That’s when Rev will be fixed, and not before. This should have been the shortbow, with the greatsword being their new elite weapon.
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The only thing I agree with is that rev could’ve had an extra weapon for ranged condi damage, but then again some classes didn’t even have proper range weapons like guardian for a long time (scepter used to be utter garbage).
Rev is DEFINITELY playable without herald. The problem is the class was released with it so people never bothered to learn how to play without it.
95% of my playtime is on core rev and I’m more than competent with it. The class is fine, just have to learn it.
Ignoring the lack of mobility of revenant, the issue I have with base rev is the lack of swiftness. the 33% ms thing is pretty much a norm right now but if we remove Herald from build, the only way we can get swiftness is either Dwarf stance or trait Invoc. Unless Renegade has a swiftness utility/trait I find it really hard to move away from Herald especially on a condition mallyx/renegade
Literaly every time someone complains about the lack of mobility on revenant it proves how much they don’t know how to play the class.
Like seriously it’s sad.
AHEM
-Axe 4 targetted teleport. Puts you in combat. Not great.
-Phase traversal. 1200 blink. 5 sec cd. If you don’t hit your target it doesn’t put you in combat. Good.
-Inspiring reinforcment + blast finisher
——-Blast finishers: mace 3 (a triple one at that, often procs twice), staff 4, hammer 3 (not practical), hammer 5 (tricky, but useful if you wanna blast for allies behind you in wvw trains)
Basically every weapon but sword. Not very energy efficient, requires a bit of actual skill. Usually IR + mace 3 is the easiest to pull off. Because of this energy cost I’ll give you this is not useable in combat, but out of combat usually your CD take about exactly as long to recharge as your energy.
-Staff 5. Good, but short range.
-A single invocation trait = perma swiftness. You can combine this with any energy upkeep toggle, or just spam mace 2 off CD and you literaly have perma swiftness
-Unyielding anguish. Literaly my favorite revenant skill. Leap spam, no CD. Always keeps me in front of the group. Like why aren’t you people using this skill honestly.
Soooo yeah. I guess people won’t listen to me because if you don’t have a youtube channel where you only play one class nobody takes you seriously these days.
Ignoring the lack of mobility of revenant, the issue I have with base rev is the lack of swiftness. the 33% ms thing is pretty much a norm right now but if we remove Herald from build, the only way we can get swiftness is either Dwarf stance or trait Invoc. Unless Renegade has a swiftness utility/trait I find it really hard to move away from Herald especially on a condition mallyx/renegade
Doesnt really matter now, mounts fix any class that wants / needs swiftness. I dont really have to think about speed so kalla become viable and better yet i don’t have to play a kittened boon bot. At first a was really against kalla but im realizing that they just want revanant to be a condi option for heavies. Maybe that’ll change with balance changes coming in tomorrow but I highly doubt much will change.
If anything I would say the biggest problem with revenant is the lack of fury application that isn’t tied to a very key skill. Unless running glint your fury will most likely come from legend swapping and your heal skills, both from traits, and those are also skills you theoretically only wanna use situationally and not as part of a rotation.
Doesnt really matter now, mounts fix any class that wants / needs swiftness. I dont really have to think about speed so kalla become viable and better yet i don’t have to play a kittened boon bot. At first a was really against kalla but im realizing that they just want revanant to be a condi option for heavies. Maybe that’ll change with balance changes coming in tomorrow but I highly doubt much will change.
I am not counting pve/moving around. What I mean is during actual combat. The lack of boons the moment we remove herald makes the class’s value drop by a huge margin.
Literaly every time someone complains about the lack of mobility on revenant it proves how much they don’t know how to play the class.
Like seriously it’s sad.
AHEM
-Axe 4 targetted teleport. Puts you in combat. Not great.
-Phase traversal. 1200 blink. 5 sec cd. If you don’t hit your target it doesn’t put you in combat. Good.
-Inspiring reinforcment + blast finisher
——-Blast finishers: mace 3 (a triple one at that, often procs twice), staff 4, hammer 3 (not practical), hammer 5 (tricky, but useful if you wanna blast for allies behind you in wvw trains)
Basically every weapon but sword. Not very energy efficient, requires a bit of actual skill. Usually IR + mace 3 is the easiest to pull off. Because of this energy cost I’ll give you this is not useable in combat, but out of combat usually your CD take about exactly as long to recharge as your energy.-Staff 5. Good, but short range.
-A single invocation trait = perma swiftness. You can combine this with any energy upkeep toggle, or just spam mace 2 off CD and you literaly have perma swiftness
-Unyielding anguish. Literaly my favorite revenant skill. Leap spam, no CD. Always keeps me in front of the group. Like why aren’t you people using this skill honestly.
Soooo yeah. I guess people won’t listen to me because if you don’t have a youtube channel where you only play one class nobody takes you seriously these days.
Thanks for pointing out what i already knew, in fact I even write there in my post. The dependency on getting slight movement at the cost of getting into combat is bad. Just bad. I am talking from the standpoint of a condi build which Renegade seems to be.
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Then you’re not complaining about the lack of mobility, you’re complaining about your own lack of actual skill in not putting yourself in combat with easily targetted skills.
Then you’re not complaining about the lack of mobility, you’re complaining about your own lack of actual skill in not putting yourself in combat with easily targetted skills.
You still fail to see my point. I won’t pick shiro/jalis nor use a staff as a condi build. Without herald or those mentioned above the only possible “movement” that you suggested is simply spam unyielding anguish, you are happy with that? Welp I am not.. Meanwhile all I was saying is there is lack of swiftness boon without herald, unless you waste an entire traitline for it. If you are the kind of guy who assume others are bad just because they disagree with you, good luck to you and your ego.
Then you’re not complaining about the lack of mobility, you’re complaining about your own lack of actual skill in not putting yourself in combat with easily targetted skills.
You still fail to see my point. I won’t pick shiro/jalis nor use a staff as a condi build. Without herald or those mentioned above the only possible “movement” that you suggested is simply spam unyielding anguish, you are happy with that? Welp I am not.. Meanwhile all I was saying is there is lack of swiftness boon without herald, unless you waste an entire traitline for it. If you are the kind of guy who assume others are bad just because they disagree with you, good luck to you and your ego.
Invocation is a wasted traitline to you? Lmao
And currently, jalis and shire are your best option for a secondary legend on a condi build. Glint only has one condition skill which isn’t a huge dps gain, and funnily enough, it also happens to be the one skill which makes you lose swiftness spam when you activate it.
I’m giving you plenty of solutions, you chose not to use any of them. I dont think this is an ego problem anymore.
Have fun with your terrible revenant build then.
And currently, jalis and shire are your best option for a secondary legend on a condi build. Glint only has one condition skill which isn’t a huge dps gain, and funnily enough, it also happens to be the one skill which makes you lose swiftness spam when you activate it.
???
So you are implying shiro/jalis have condition skill for condition build? And Herald’s swiftness + boon duration last long enough to easily stack swiftness even when you cast elemental breath. You totally make 0 sense in your own “solutions”. And like I said your “solutions” are pretty much what most players including myself already aware of, but it’s still lacking. That’s why we voice it out.
EDIT: it seems that your “jalis/mallyx” is a thing, IF you are building for Pve, which I am not focusing on. But simply do a google search and you can tell herald is still the top pick for most builds.
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I said currently they’re your best option because Vengful hammers and Impossible Odds (and this one is if you don’t have a chrono)
I said currently they’re your best option because Vengful hammers and Impossible Odds (and this one is if you don’t have a chrono)
I am not even talking about DPS right now, I am focusing solely on the Movement/mobility.
???literally every class is unplayable without elite spec…
rev has good mobility…you dont need herald swiftness…you get stuff, axe and shiro…even you have no target for shiro 8 you can bind your fast turn and use shiro 7 tho that takes some practice
>waaah herald is a must
>waaah invocation is wasted traitline
boy I have some bad news about your skill level
If you arent using staff as your secondary weapon on condi, then I’d assume you’d be using a shortbow in which case you dont even need to go charging into combat. You may just be looking at the spec in one dimension.
If you arent using staff as your secondary weapon on condi, then I’d assume you’d be using a shortbow in which case you dont even need to go charging into combat. You may just be looking at the spec in one dimension.
then you will have 0 sustain, as this comes from sword 3, shield 5 and staff 3/4/5 and glint’s heal.
as i have said in past post, people always attack rev 1st does not matter how far in the back you are hiding , you will just be a walking pinata, and you wont even have the cheap glint heal to save you+ you will lose Radiant Revival so you wont even be a team player.
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I only use Herald for swiftness, between fights. That’s its only value to me.
If I do buy PoF, mounts might mean I’d almost never use Herald again.
I only use Herald for swiftness, between fights. That’s its only value to me.
If I do buy PoF, mounts might mean I’d almost never use Herald again.
so you dont use glint’s Burst of Strength to apply 20 stacks of vulnerability before you cc burst the enemy down?
yeah, no wonder you can’t comprehend the usefulness of of Herald
so you dont use glint’s Burst of Strength to apply 20 stacks of vulnerability before you cc burst the enemy down?
Nope.
yeah, no wonder you can’t comprehend the usefulness of of Herald
Aw. I suppose you think that was a clever personal attack? Good for you!
I’m just not even remotely interested in the game playing me – which is what cooldowns reduce combat to.
so you dont use glint’s Burst of Strength to apply 20 stacks of vulnerability before you cc burst the enemy down?
Vuln instacaps to 25 in any kind of group content anyway
Is Herald a must? If you are using condition build In PvE no (assuming someone else provided fury), but you will move really slow. In sPvP it is. If you are using power build you must use Herald and invocation.
Condi rev says hi in PvE. Meta rev build, no Glint. Sip?
Condi rev says hi in PvE. Meta rev build, no Glint. Sip?
That only works in raids and fractures since someone else is providing the boons. And while it is viable, it surely is not meta.
so you dont use glint’s Burst of Strength to apply 20 stacks of vulnerability before you cc burst the enemy down?
Vuln instacaps to 25 in any kind of group content anyway
im not talking about pve were there are 100 people spamming 1 on a mob,
im talking about pvp 5v5. go apply 20 stacks in a pvp fight and come back and post here then you will understand what i am talking about
my fear is: they buff rev now cause anet knows renegade is a roleplay/pve only spec and sucks in pvp/wvw. i hope the other classes wont be that op in this case..
so you dont use glint’s Burst of Strength to apply 20 stacks of vulnerability before you cc burst the enemy down?
Vuln instacaps to 25 in any kind of group content anyway
im not talking about pve were there are 100 people spamming 1 on a mob,
im talking about pvp 5v5. go apply 20 stacks in a pvp fight and come back and post here then you will understand what i am talking about
Herald isn’t a necessity. Yes the boons on it are nice and the panic heal. If you’re trying to make up the swiftness? Use Traveler/Lynx rune (if renegade hits meta, it’ll DEFINITLEY be using one of those two.) that already covers the mobility, for sustain? perhaps take up Retribution (if running Mallyx/Renegade) with corruption…. This at least allows you to have personal resistance(team resistance) in team fights and gives you reasonable toughness with you still being able to dish out condi dmg… What do you do if you’re getting focused? Kite spots (depending on node) / run towards your support.
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so you dont use glint’s Burst of Strength to apply 20 stacks of vulnerability before you cc burst the enemy down?
Vuln instacaps to 25 in any kind of group content anyway
im not talking about pve were there are 100 people spamming 1 on a mob,
im talking about pvp 5v5. go apply 20 stacks in a pvp fight and come back and post here then you will understand what i am talking about
First off, I don’t play PvP, and when I did, I did play rev, and very efficiently so.
Second, there’s plenty of vuln application on rev what are you talking about. And it just got even more anyway.
So all this time I thought you were talking about PvE, and rev is even stronger in PvP to begin with. If you’re getting wrecked in pvp that is 100% entirely your fault dude.
im not talking about pve were there are 100 people spamming 1 on a mob,
im talking about pvp 5v5. go apply 20 stacks in a pvp fight and come back and post here then you will understand what i am talking about
Like Venny, I don’t PvP.
I thought revenant might be a reason for me to try out WvW but competitive content would seem to require playing revenant in the mad legend swapping fashion to maximise energy regen and or cooldowns. Especially heralds and boon juggling. That’s the very opposite of my idea of fun, running completely contrary to the reason I play the prof, and I’m not going to do it.
Playing sub-optimally is fine in PvE where it’s mainly just me or in zergs where success is generally guaranteed. But I can’t knowingly be sub-optimal in social, competitive content or things like fractals or raids. That would be rude.
So I just pass on that content.
Glint is the better legend to either team up with Shiro (power builds) or Mallyx (condition builds). At least in PvP/WvW roaming and duelling. Glint provides too much useful tools (swiftness, boons, blind, reveal…) plus huge cc/area damage to replace it in competitive enviroments. Of course in team PvE other choices are made due some classes do fill the weakness of some builds, kitten happens in raid WvW where the Guardians and Warriors do provide swiftness, so Rev can be relegated to be a resistance bot and road paving works.
My fear about the renegade is about the bow being its only redeeming quality and the legend becoming useless at roaming/duelling/pvping, so you end using a couple of weapons + Mallyx, and don’t touch the new legend ever.
Okay just to clarify:
I’m not saying Glint is useless by any means. She definitely has powerful tools. I’m just saying she is definitely not required and she’s not particularly fun to use to me.