Shiro healing needs rework

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Posted by: Burtnik.5218

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Cus its disgusting in current state. Reasons;

- Can be deflected
- Can be reflected to damage you and heal your enemy instead
- Can be dodged
- Can be blocked
- Can be obstructed
- Can be outranged
- Doesnt work well at all outside of UA.
- Pathetic when you need to heal up in 1vX situation or vs builds that can archieve high uptime on stealth, evades, block or just kiting
- Feels more like damage boost than healing ability
- Too short duration
- Interval that kitten it even more

How this ability made it out of beta? Im honest here. I do not understand for a kitten how it passed beta in current state.

I vote for;

6,5k initial heal
Daggers life siphon removed, now they only does damage
Unblockable
Range raised to 1500

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Posted by: Malchior.5732

Malchior.5732

- Feels more like damage boost than healing ability

I’m pretty sure that’s the point of it. It’s a pretty nice damage boost too.

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Posted by: Slone.7928

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Rev can switch legends to activate another heal if needed. This one is weak because it’s where we spend most of our time-doing the most damage. If kitten’kittenting the fan, switch legends and use a real heal.

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Posted by: Burtnik.5218

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- Feels more like damage boost than healing ability

I’m pretty sure that’s the point of it. It’s a pretty nice damage boost too.

Its even better boost when i put reflect on! Since i told my ele friend about it he started to enjoy Shiro heal like nothing in this game. For a kitteting good reason.

Rev can switch legends to activate another heal if needed. This one is weak because it’s where we spend most of our time-doing the most damage. If kitten’kittenting the fan, switch legends and use a real heal.

Jalis heal is terrible. 5k hp/30sec and like 3k under poison. Thats definitely going to save me, cant wait to try it out.

Ventari has no selfheal whatsoever so lets skip over that one

Glint requires enemy to be kittened in order to make it work unless you fight vs condi build.

Mallyx is the olny true good heal assuming you have many conditions on you and didnt expldoed yet due to stripped resistance.

We have 2 heals in theory. In practice by selecting Shiro we have olny one healing skill. Thats what makes shield 5 so good and must have bc its a reliable healing ability which we lack in current state by choosing Shiro. Out of em all i consider olny Glint and Mallyx heals to be good. Rest is trash

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Posted by: Malchior.5732

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We have 2 heals in theory. In practice by selecting Shiro we have olny one healing skill. Thats what makes shield 5 so good and must have bc its a reliable healing ability which we lack in current state by choosing Shiro. Out of em all i consider olny Glint and Mallyx heals to be good. Rest is trash

If you want good, consistent heals (probably on the other legends since I think Shiro should be pretty risky, although the reflect is a bit much) then maybe Shield needs to be weakened. People already complain about our sustain now, imagine if we had actually good heals.

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Posted by: Burtnik.5218

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We have 2 heals in theory. In practice by selecting Shiro we have olny one healing skill. Thats what makes shield 5 so good and must have bc its a reliable healing ability which we lack in current state by choosing Shiro. Out of em all i consider olny Glint and Mallyx heals to be good. Rest is trash

If you want good, consistent heals (probably on the other legends since I think Shiro should be pretty risky, although the reflect is a bit much) then maybe Shield needs to be weakened. People already complain about our sustain now, imagine if we had actually good heals.

Question is if you should rely on a single offhand weapon and traitline forever till gw3 just bc you designed legend with crap healing ability. Our sustain inst all that great tbh when i compare that to scrapper or ele.

Shield is not really a issue with many unblockable effects let it be daze from dh trap, necro staff or even another revenant. What should be toned down and reworked toohowered is Mallyx heal as it uses old desing and its just a worse version of consume conditions. Priority howered is Shiro heal that is by far the worst one in game. Even thief venom healing ability is better and you can even share it with allies.

Just really look at my list again and tell me which other healing ability has so many counters ingame.

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Posted by: Malchior.5732

Malchior.5732

We have 2 heals in theory. In practice by selecting Shiro we have olny one healing skill. Thats what makes shield 5 so good and must have bc its a reliable healing ability which we lack in current state by choosing Shiro. Out of em all i consider olny Glint and Mallyx heals to be good. Rest is trash

If you want good, consistent heals (probably on the other legends since I think Shiro should be pretty risky, although the reflect is a bit much) then maybe Shield needs to be weakened. People already complain about our sustain now, imagine if we had actually good heals.

Question is if you should rely on a single offhand weapon and traitline forever till gw3 just bc you designed legend with crap healing ability.

That’s exactly why Shield should potentially be changed. It can potentially cause them to limit our legend’s heal skills.
Yea, unblockable attacks can go through it, but a lot of classes can’t take advantage of that nor is it good to force them into it for the chance of us running Shield.

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Posted by: lxghostxl.5097

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I like the shiro heal now just want to o be able to cast it while on eifferent animation like facets

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Posted by: Burtnik.5218

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We have 2 heals in theory. In practice by selecting Shiro we have olny one healing skill. Thats what makes shield 5 so good and must have bc its a reliable healing ability which we lack in current state by choosing Shiro. Out of em all i consider olny Glint and Mallyx heals to be good. Rest is trash

If you want good, consistent heals (probably on the other legends since I think Shiro should be pretty risky, although the reflect is a bit much) then maybe Shield needs to be weakened. People already complain about our sustain now, imagine if we had actually good heals.

Question is if you should rely on a single offhand weapon and traitline forever till gw3 just bc you designed legend with crap healing ability.

That’s exactly why Shield should potentially be changed. It can potentially cause them to limit our legend’s heal skills.
Yea, unblockable attacks can go through it, but a lot of classes can’t take advantage of that nor is it good to force them into it for the chance of us running Shield.

How you would change the shield tho? I dont mind it as i prefer underpowered sword offhand bc look but im just curious. Also its not like we cant pair Glint with Mallyx and end up having 2 strong heals on top of shield? Am i right or not? So no, shield is not excuse to keep Shiro healing in current trash state.

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Posted by: Malchior.5732

Malchior.5732

We have 2 heals in theory. In practice by selecting Shiro we have olny one healing skill. Thats what makes shield 5 so good and must have bc its a reliable healing ability which we lack in current state by choosing Shiro. Out of em all i consider olny Glint and Mallyx heals to be good. Rest is trash

If you want good, consistent heals (probably on the other legends since I think Shiro should be pretty risky, although the reflect is a bit much) then maybe Shield needs to be weakened. People already complain about our sustain now, imagine if we had actually good heals.

Question is if you should rely on a single offhand weapon and traitline forever till gw3 just bc you designed legend with crap healing ability.

That’s exactly why Shield should potentially be changed. It can potentially cause them to limit our legend’s heal skills.
Yea, unblockable attacks can go through it, but a lot of classes can’t take advantage of that nor is it good to force them into it for the chance of us running Shield.

How you would change the shield tho? I dont mind it as i prefer underpowered sword offhand bc look but im just curious. Also its not like we cant pair Glint with Mallyx and end up having 2 strong heals on top of shield? Am i right or not? So no, shield is not excuse to keep Shiro healing in current trash state.

Mallyx Heal is strong? It’s pretty mediocre if you don’t get condi bombed and it’s still worse than Consume Conditions while the Glint Heal can potentially not Heal you much at all.
That also comes with its own opportunity costs as you don’t have nearly as much mobility or such a good stun break nor such a good way to deal damage like Shiro.

As for Shield changes, you could just make it less focused on healing and more about general boon support.
Like Shield 5 could still heal (maybe a bit less base healing with better scaling), but Shield 4 could apply Stability to allies instead of healing (which makes Enhanced Bulwark make a bit more sense actually) or apply a larger amount of Protection along with some other boons. Alternatively make it increase boon durations by several seconds.

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Posted by: Burtnik.5218

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Yeah, its true that it is worse version of consume conditions and thats why i would like to see it reworked. Howered look at it from the other side. It heals for nearly as much as consume and has the same cd as well but unlike necromancers we also have access to secondary healing skill.

With so many conditions flying around in this meta i have no issues to heal myself for 10k in pvp and then theres also second heal+shield 5. So yep, i do consider Mallyx healing to be best atm followed by situational Glint. Next is Jalis (that heal is a joke tbh) followed by Shiro and Ventari.

As for shield skills..lowering healing etc will make it subpar. Glint also has 0 connection to stability outside of gm trait. Shield could be reworked to remove conditions instead of healing tho.

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Posted by: Sheobix.8796

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kitten , revs got two heals to choose from at any given time and they’re complaining about not having an uber tube unblockable DPS heal.

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Posted by: Burtnik.5218

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kitten , revs got two heals to choose from at any given time and they’re complaining about not having an uber tube unblockable DPS heal.

Thanks for your pointless post that doesnt bring anything to the subject mr emerald. Now if you dont mind, go back where you came from.

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Posted by: Sheobix.8796

Sheobix.8796

kitten , revs got two heals to choose from at any given time and they’re complaining about not having an uber tube unblockable DPS heal.

Thanks for your pointless post that doesnt bring anything to the subject mr emerald. Now if you dont mind, go back where you came from.

lol keep telling yourself that.

l2p a different class other than revenant…

oh wait, you have about 2 months of forum life on your account… probably a new player from HoT with no experience on anything else

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edit: I swear you were going to add “Can be interrupted” in your list. I would have lol’d

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Posted by: Burtnik.5218

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Low bob

You welcome. And now if you dont mind.. l2necro instead of crying. Keep spamming btw.

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Posted by: Knighthonor.4061

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Rev can switch legends to activate another heal if needed. This one is weak because it’s where we spend most of our time-doing the most damage. If kitten’kittenting the fan, switch legends and use a real heal.

That leaves you with one less heal. Also means you have to not be on cooldown from Legend swap, and you lose half of your utilities and locked into a different set of utilities that may not be useful for that time being, simply to use 1 heal skill.

Thats bad game design. simple as that.

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Posted by: Sheobix.8796

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Rev can switch legends to activate another heal if needed. This one is weak because it’s where we spend most of our time-doing the most damage. If kitten’kittenting the fan, switch legends and use a real heal.

That leaves you with one less heal. Also means you have to not be on cooldown from Legend swap, and you lose half of your utilities and locked into a different set of utilities that may not be useful for that time being, simply to use 1 heal skill.

Thats bad game design. simple as that.

Or, it’s just game design.

Say you’re put in a bad position. You’re 1v2, or you’re up against a build you know has the advantage over you. Some certain cooldowns are not available on your bar, and as you already suspect, you’re losing the fight— But you know you don’t want to lose the battle. So instead of shorting yourself and wasting the legend swap and grabbing another heal, you exit the fight. move away from it earlier than what puts you on the ropes.

The concept of having limited resources still applies.

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Posted by: Sheobix.8796

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Low bob

You welcome. And now if you dont mind.. l2necro instead of crying. Keep spamming btw.

I like how you went out of your way to try validating your worth to me.

I don’t care. I literally have the same stats.

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Posted by: Burtnik.5218

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Bump. Rework it!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: BobbyT.7192

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No, I like it.

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Posted by: raven.9870

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I agree with shiro heal that’s not powerful and can be countered in many ways..still you can relies on a second healing skill,sure you have to switch legend but that’s is a l2p when is better engage a player with a legend or another knowing that you have 10secs cd when swap..i prefer mallyx dragonstance build..if well timed glint’s heal can refill your life in a blink of an eye....i had a lot of fun with it and save my kitten plenty of times..and you gave skill 4 and 5 to keep healing yourself.. Rev can be pretty tough and hard to kill from burst damage and condi exploits..

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Posted by: Burtnik.5218

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No, I like it.

Ele spotted!!!

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Posted by: Malchior.5732

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Honestly, I don’t mind if there’s counter-play to Shiro heal, BUT we NEED to have something to fall back on and with the up-coming Infusing Light nerf, I think this deserves a change now.
We’re now left without any good defense against big bursts/CC-chains and almost all of our heals are complete trash.

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Posted by: Burtnik.5218

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Shiro has too much of a counterplay. What counterplay has healing turret? Withdraw? Healing signet? Except shelter that wont heal if interrupted (its a block skill after all) you can do so much about rest – rupt for 4s recharge.

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Posted by: Malchior.5732

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Shiro has too much of a counterplay. What counterplay has healing turret? Withdraw? Healing signet? Except shelter that wont heal if interrupted (its a block skill after all) you can do so much about rest – rupt for 4s recharge.

Well, that’s why we have 2x Heals. Problem is when all the other heals are trash.

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Posted by: Burtnik.5218

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Shiro has too much of a counterplay. What counterplay has healing turret? Withdraw? Healing signet? Except shelter that wont heal if interrupted (its a block skill after all) you can do so much about rest – rupt for 4s recharge.

Well, that’s why we have 2x Heals. Problem is when all the other heals are trash.

Well yeah..Nerfed Glint heal (again) that just like Shiro one require you to be in a fight (no kiting allowed whatsoever), trash Jalis (poor version of trash mending), trash Ventari. Only Mallyx has decent one and then again its just a poor kid of consume conditions, thats how unique it is.

Some people been comparing shiro heal to troll unguent but with troll you can kite around at least. With Shiro we have to trade blows, even more so that UA wont trigger more than 3 daggers. This is why shield is so mandatory, and will be even more when the patch hit. Its just too much in current state.

I also wonder around what pleb level they balance tho as glint heal wasnt a issue for a long time already in high tier.

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Posted by: raubvogel.5071

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I agree with #1.

Increase the initial heal to 6000.
Daggers steal 166 health each.