Guild Wars 2

Ariachi.8096:

Rev’s are in no way an OP class, what makes them strong is there ability to stack well together and cover all bases efficiently. However they do not massively excel in any given area, a jack of all trades but master of none if you will. They also have a lot of trouble dealing with Condi, and in the current sPVP meta that is a big issue. Come up against a Condi Necro? Run for the hills. You can try running Mallyx but that means losing Shiro and in turn most of the revs mobility and a large DPS loss, and even with Mallyx it’s still an uphill battle. If anything nerf necros, but lets not go down that avenue, other classes can fight them so it’s just a case of picking your battles.

OP is getting nowhere with his/her argument purely because they are providing no suggestions or points to back up his claim that Revs are OP.

There you go the problem.

While they don’t have best in every category they provide the right amount to where teams pick rev because you get everything else. Thus creating a class that over performs.

Thank you.

Azukas.1426:

Obtena.7952:

Azukas.1426:

Obtena.7952:

Some people enjoy the sound of their own voice .. or their fingers typing I guess.

None of the points the OP has presented can be absolutely attributed to the fact that Rev is OP. I’m more apt to think that it conscious strategy that these pro players played something that people aren’t as familiar with to throw off the other teams. #switchhitter

It’s always funny to see what little tidbits people will grasp onto to justify changing something they don’t like. Pros stacking a profession … that’s a new one. /puts in back pocket.

OK thread owner … Rev’s are OPed because they were stacked by pros in a tournament? Fine … what do you suggest get changed? Obviously you have many pages of ideas that are going to be easier to debate than arguing with you about some matter of opinion … WHAT YOU GOT?

Already stated previously so let’s work together to come up with a solution.

We would love to but it’s not going to happen if you leave us guessing what that OPed thing is that causes pro’s to stacking Rev in PVP. It’s nice that you have a hypothesis that Rev’s are OPed because of your observation that pros stack them in PVP … I agree. That still doesn’t get you anywhere to solving ’Rev’s are OP’ed" problem because you aren’t telling anyone the cause of the OPedness.

If you have come to the conclusion that Rev’s are OPed through a LOGICAL process, then you should be able to tell us what is it about Revs that is causing Pros to stack in PVP. This is what we need to know to help you come up with a solution. Otherwise, you just got a bunch of people looking clueless on the forum going “DURRR Rev’s OP but dunno why!” Show us the way please!

Please read the thread starting from page 1 again. This was covered and I asked a specific question.

I thank you ahead of time

No need to thank me … I read it. I’m with you … Rev’s OPed … just tell us what the OPe’d part about stacking Revs in PVP is and we can talk about a solution. I didn’t see anything specific we could really talk sensibly about. Covering all bases efficiently isn’t really what makes Rev’s OPed … other classes cover all bases pretty efficiently as well … they weren’t stacked in PVP to this extent ever!

Even if you don’t want to tell us, surely you have some ideas of your own about how to fix this problem we can talk about. Otherwise, you claim Rev is OP, don’t say what makes them that, then you want everyone BUT you to come up with solutions to Rev being OP … looks, smells and sounds like a troll … probably is.

How about we buff the 3 classes that weren’t in the tourney to viability instead of nerfing rev?

RJMazz.6798:

How about we buff the 3 classes that weren’t in the tourney to viability instead of nerfing rev?

Oh god no!

Stop the power creep. It’s a failed experiment power creeping to balance.

Malchior.5732:

Azukas.1426:

You argue with emotion and disprove your “point” with each continual post.

sigh
It’s ironic. It really is.

My entire point is that your point is flawed. They did swap out Mesmers. That’s true.
Probably because they received the biggest game-changing nerfs and the next best things were Scrapper and Necro, neither of which stacks as well as Revenant.

You cannot assume that Revenant is OP just because it was stacked; it was stacked because it fulfilled the needed role best: Thief doesn’t sustain well enough by itself and the extra mobility and damage wasn’t needed, Warrior lacks self-sustain as well, and Guardian (or rather DH) is a bit gimmicky and easily countered (especially by Auramancers). They needed team fighters and out of the remaining options, Revenant was best.

However, you can arrive at the conclusion that Rev is OP from something more concrete: real examples.
Ex1. “I think the high mobility combined with the high amount of damage and defense makes it a tad too strong and difficult to deal with.”

People wouldn’t be arguing with you as much if you had brought up an actual point, but your current logic is flawed. It has no real basis.

You’re cherry picking where you apply your opinion on the matter. So it’s ok to swap off mesmer but they didn’t swap off double rev because they were used to it.

Please stop littering this thread and stay on topic from here on out. What would YOU do to tone down an over performing rev.

Thanks

Azukas.1426:

You’re cherry picking where you apply your opinion on the matter. So it’s ok to swap off mesmer but they didn’t swap off double rev because they were used to it.

Please stop littering this thread and stay on topic from here on out. What would YOU do to tone down an over performing rev.

Thanks

Maybe because they could only stack one class and Mesmer was nerfed so hard that running a single one makes no sense?

:^)))))))))))))))))))))))))

Again, I’m pointing out how your premise is flawed. Nothing more.
I even told you how to properly go about this whole thing!

Malchior.5732:

Azukas.1426:

You’re cherry picking where you apply your opinion on the matter. So it’s ok to swap off mesmer but they didn’t swap off double rev because they were used to it.

Please stop littering this thread and stay on topic from here on out. What would YOU do to tone down an over performing rev.

Thanks

Maybe because they could only stack one class and Mesmer was nerfed so hard that running a single one makes no sense?

:^)))))))))))))))))))))))))

Again, I’m pointing out how your premise is flawed. Nothing more.
I even told you how to properly go about this whole thing!

Yeah we’ll just let you off the hook here. Please contribute to the thread or gracefully bow out.

If you decide to stay please discuss which aspect of the rev you believe should be toned down.

Thank you in advance

Azukas.1426:

Malchior.5732:

Azukas.1426:

You’re cherry picking where you apply your opinion on the matter. So it’s ok to swap off mesmer but they didn’t swap off double rev because they were used to it.

Please stop littering this thread and stay on topic from here on out. What would YOU do to tone down an over performing rev.

Thanks

Maybe because they could only stack one class and Mesmer was nerfed so hard that running a single one makes no sense?

:^)))))))))))))))))))))))))

Again, I’m pointing out how your premise is flawed. Nothing more.
I even told you how to properly go about this whole thing!

Yeah we’ll just let you off the hook here. Please contribute to the thread or gracefully bow out.

If you decide to stay please discuss which aspect of the rev you believe should be toned down.

Thank you in advance

I’ll let you start :^)

Malchior.5732:

Azukas.1426:

Malchior.5732:

Azukas.1426:

You’re cherry picking where you apply your opinion on the matter. So it’s ok to swap off mesmer but they didn’t swap off double rev because they were used to it.

Please stop littering this thread and stay on topic from here on out. What would YOU do to tone down an over performing rev.

Thanks

Maybe because they could only stack one class and Mesmer was nerfed so hard that running a single one makes no sense?

:^)))))))))))))))))))))))))

Again, I’m pointing out how your premise is flawed. Nothing more.
I even told you how to properly go about this whole thing!

Yeah we’ll just let you off the hook here. Please contribute to the thread or gracefully bow out.

If you decide to stay please discuss which aspect of the rev you believe should be toned down.

Thank you in advance

I’ll let you start :^)

I rehighlighted at top of this page the problem.

Go ahead and post mate. My though thoughts on nerfing tend to be the same throughout the entire HoT power creep.

Azukas.1426:

RJMazz.6798:

How about we buff the 3 classes that weren’t in the tourney to viability instead of nerfing rev?

Oh god no!

Stop the power creep. It’s a failed experiment power creeping to balance.

So is nerfbatting to balance. Why would people rather have everyone weak and boring rather than everyone powerful and versatile? All I know is warriors are currently severely lacking. If we buff them so they can compete maybe something about them can be found that counters revenant and tips the balance.

But judging from your arguments you’re not going to accept anything that doesn’t agree with you, so I’m done here.

RJMazz.6798:

But judging from your arguments you’re not going to accept anything that doesn’t agree with you, so I’m done here.

Lol one of my posts here got reported, so guys like someone said before me: Stop feeding this.
The OP won’t listen to anyone but his/herself so just say “yes” to everything said and forget this thread from now on.

RJMazz.6798:

Azukas.1426:

RJMazz.6798:

How about we buff the 3 classes that weren’t in the tourney to viability instead of nerfing rev?

Oh god no!

Stop the power creep. It’s a failed experiment power creeping to balance.

So is nerfbatting to balance. Why would people rather have everyone weak and boring rather than everyone powerful and versatile? All I know is warriors are currently severely lacking. If we buff them so they can compete maybe something about them can be found that counters revenant and tips the balance.

But judging from your arguments you’re not going to accept anything that doesn’t agree with you, so I’m done here.

That type of thinking got us season 1. While I do hate seeing classes get nerfed you have to go with the track record. Buffing buffing buffing without proper checks to power creep is a disaster. We are at a point where there has been entirely too much power creep. So now we need to reel it in.

And that means nerfs. So you target the most over performing things and bring them down.

It’s called proper game balance

whats overpowered is that they poop out tons of boons, have great survivability, and do great damage. take one of these away and the house of cards will crumble.

Stand The Wall.6987:

whats overpowered is that they poop out tons of boons, have great survivability, and do great damage. take one of these away and the house of cards will crumble.

That’s the point of this thread. Now which would you get rid of?

boons