Guild Wars 2

So what do you do against teams with multiple necros or just one decent one other than reroll? They are just completely shutting me down when I try to play revenant. And it isn’t like oh well I can’t beat them in 1v1 but it is a team game, because they pretty much just murder me in any fights regardless of the scale of the fight. Then when I play necro it is more or less the same, enemy revenants just die unless they jump me at low health/lifeforce.

a) Jump them and try to dodge and deal damage as best you can.
b) Run away.
c) Die.

:^)

Don’t fight them. If you have to fight kite them while they are in shroud and pressure them when they are out.

I play necros. The one’s who reck my face either use CC or kiting. Very few people just straight up fight.

Marthkus.4615:

I play necros. The one’s who reck my face either use CC or kiting. Very few people just straight up fight.

That is a large part of the problem rev only has one ranged weapon and it has no way of maintaining distance from the necro.

The only option i’ve found is ranged attack but if you’re 1vs1 the necro will eventually get to you and kill you.
Other than that there is no option, you fight a necro and you will die, try to do as much damage so your buddies can kill him.

Fade to Black.7042:

The only option i’ve found is ranged attack but if you’re 1vs1 the necro will eventually get to you and kill you.

Not really RS is fairly easy to kite. The real danger is scepter and staff.

Pick a different target.

Revenant is not in a good state on dealing with necros at the moment. Few classes are if that is any consolation.

Unless you’re confident you can eliminate him within 10-15 seconds with burst or he’s low on hp, don’t engage Reaper 1v1. If you have to, don’t even try fighting him in Shroud, just kite and use Precision Strike on cd to keep the pressure.

Necro is the new OP king in both PvP and WvW… if a necro catches you… just accept your death. There is nothing you can do.

kit reaper shroud is the way you win it

Are you power or condi?

Seems like impossible as Mallyx at least.

1. He can corrupt your resistance, transfer and cleanse your condi.
2. He has more health, more cc and more ways to slow down your ways of killing him, than you can do to him.

Which means you will die faster from his dmg, than he can from yours.

Seems like a rock paper scissors case.

Power rev isn’t much better off. The standard Shiro/Glint power rev has little or no ability to mitigate damaging conditions apart from not getting hit in the first place. Jalis is probably the least bad option against condi reapers, since you have access to condition mitigation that isn’t reliant on boons and if they have minions you can feed off the minions using Vengeful Hammers. But really, condi reaper was rock to revenant’s scissors before the last patch, and it’s even worse now with revenant having been nerfed while necromancer got buffed.

To be honest, it baffles me that they buffed necromancer as much as they did when reaper, particularly condi reaper, was already one of the most dangerous things around in PvP. Warriors and thieves did deserve some buffing (although I’m not sure the way thieves got their autoattacks buffed through the roof was the right call), but reapers were strong already, and now they’re even stronger. When you add that revenant is weak to necromancer’s strengths by design, and… yeah, it’s really not a matchup for the rev to be enthusiastic about, and the necromancer players know that.

draxynnic.3719:

To be honest, it baffles me that they buffed necromancer as much as they did when reaper, particularly condi reaper, was already one of the most dangerous things around in PvP. Warriors and thieves did deserve some buffing (although I’m not sure the way thieves got their autoattacks buffed through the roof was the right call), but reapers were strong already, and now they’re even stronger.

Reaper actually only received one buff and a fairly pointless one at that. It was core necro abilities and skills that got all the other changes. Core necro wasnt too great and still isn’t but at least it’s not so bad anymore.
It was always a bad match up for rev though because of its innate lack of consistency clear and ease of generating bons. It just got worse.

Sigmoid.7082:

draxynnic.3719:

To be honest, it baffles me that they buffed necromancer as much as they did when reaper, particularly condi reaper, was already one of the most dangerous things around in PvP. Warriors and thieves did deserve some buffing (although I’m not sure the way thieves got their autoattacks buffed through the roof was the right call), but reapers were strong already, and now they’re even stronger.

Reaper actually only received one buff and a fairly pointless one at that. It was core necro abilities and skills that got all the other changes. Core necro wasnt too great and still isn’t but at least it’s not so bad anymore.
It was always a bad match up for rev though because of its innate lack of consistency clear and ease of generating bons. It just got worse.

Buffing Necro directly buffs Reaper :L

And yes, it went from an almost unwinnable match-up (Condi Rev could sorta try to use Facet of Nature boons to cover up their Resistance and hopefully kill the Reaper before it got too bad) to an actually unwinnable match-up (your only hope is to find them weak enough to burst down in a few seconds).

Malchior.5732:

Sigmoid.7082:

draxynnic.3719:

To be honest, it baffles me that they buffed necromancer as much as they did when reaper, particularly condi reaper, was already one of the most dangerous things around in PvP. Warriors and thieves did deserve some buffing (although I’m not sure the way thieves got their autoattacks buffed through the roof was the right call), but reapers were strong already, and now they’re even stronger.

Reaper actually only received one buff and a fairly pointless one at that. It was core necro abilities and skills that got all the other changes. Core necro wasnt too great and still isn’t but at least it’s not so bad anymore.
It was always a bad match up for rev though because of its innate lack of consistency clear and ease of generating bons. It just got worse.

Buffing Necro directly buffs Reaper :L

And yes, it went from an almost unwinnable match-up (Condi Rev could sorta try to use Facet of Nature boons to cover up their Resistance and hopefully kill the Reaper before it got too bad) to an actually unwinnable match-up (your only hope is to find them weak enough to burst down in a few seconds).

Doesn’t stop the fact being that core necro lost its identity and was almost laughable weak. Not everyone has the expansion nor want to play reaper. The patch also improved build diversity to some degree.

But true enough the matchup is almost unwinable because of how many boons revs generate and their lack of removal. Vs core necro it’s easier since core is weak. Vs a reaper it’s almost impossible since resistance becomes chill for 3-4s and stability becomes fear which becomes chill for 3-5s which can cover itself with vulnerability as well as the potential for fury to become blind which becomes chill. When traited for damage, which better be nerfed soon to hownit was or something more reasonable, it becomes nie impossible.

Then again engi and warrior were supposed to be weak to conditions and over the years look how they turned out so I guess there is hope yet.

I took a long break from gw2. Came back for HoT. When I left, necro in PvP was in a bad place: they were easy to focus fire down, and typically were focused out in most matches without have any significant counter play. I didn’t stop trying though, simply because necromancer style appealed to me in both WvW and Pve, and I dislike having different character for different things. I like one character to do everything. Now, revenant is more fun to me in PvE and WvW than necro, so I have a new “main.”

Now in spvp, when I see necromancers on the other team, as a Revenant, I find myself using the same tactics that I did with my necro 3 years ago. I don’t engage necro’s head on; I prefer to get a team mate to engage on point while I attack from the periphery (un-noticed if at all possible). IMO, a free-casting Revenant with a hammer is far more effective than a free casting necro (the old one, not the new upgraded one) was.

That doesn’t mean revenant’s are fine as is. It was a poor design for necro’s to be so easily focused. More or less, they’ve been fixed with reaper. Eventually Revenants will be fixed as well. Might take another expansion to do, since 3 of the legends are essentially unfinished. Kinda like how necro-DS was unfinished at launch due to radical changes in mechanics from original design to launch day.

As Malchior says, buffing core Necro buffs Reaper as well. Reapers typically don’t bring greatswords into PvP (unless they forget to switch weapons after using one in PvP. Not that I’ve ever done that*cough*), so they’ll be using core weapons. A condi reaper – which is the dominant build at the moment – will probably be bringing staff and scepter, and quite possibly staying in scepter whenever they’re not in the process of laying down marks. So, about those scepter buffs?

The fact that a lot of those buffs basically boil down to ‘even more boon hate’ makes it particularly painful for revs, which are quite reliant on boons, doubly so when the revs got nerfed in the same update and there are bugs making them even weaker than they were intended to be nerfed to. It’s a less painful matchup for other professions, but revenants got a triple whammy right where it hurts, from a profession that countered them fairly effectively as it was.

Necro became fairly strong when the specialisations update came in. Post-HoT, core necro is relatively weak, but post-HoT everything is relatively weak without an elite specialisation.

ArthurDent.9538:

Marthkus.4615:

I play necros. The one’s who reck my face either use CC or kiting. Very few people just straight up fight.

That is a large part of the problem rev only has one ranged weapon and it has no way of maintaining distance from the necro.

Mallyx unyielding anguish and kite with hammer.

Morfedel.4165:

ArthurDent.9538:

Marthkus.4615:

I play necros. The one’s who reck my face either use CC or kiting. Very few people just straight up fight.

That is a large part of the problem rev only has one ranged weapon and it has no way of maintaining distance from the necro.

Mallyx unyielding anguish and kite with hammer.

It’s easier to just use sword and precision strike.

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

ArthurDent.9538:

Marthkus.4615:

I play necros. The one’s who reck my face either use CC or kiting. Very few people just straight up fight.

That is a large part of the problem rev only has one ranged weapon and it has no way of maintaining distance from the necro.

Mallyx unyielding anguish and kite with hammer.

It’s easier to just use sword and precision strike.

Except unyielding anguish also torments them. Plus the unyielding anguish pulses the chilled and torment 5 times. And while it uses considerably more energy, it also doesn’t have a recharge period, and the field lasts 4 seconds, and it’s a dark field which combos with three of the 5 hammer skills, vs 1 of 5 with the sword.

Overall I think the hammer/unyielding anguish is a better combo. But as usual, YMMV.

Morfedel.4165:

Except unyielding anguish also torments them

Torment isn’t useful if you don’t have condi damage and it can be used against you by for example using consume conditions. If you are running a condi build then you really shouldn’t engage them they’ll out sustain you, use your resistance against you and use you condis against you.

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Except unyielding anguish also torments them

Torment isn’t useful if you don’t have condi damage and it can be used against you by for example using consume conditions. If you are running a condi build then you really shouldn’t engage them they’ll out sustain you, use your resistance against you and use you condis against you.

If I have the trait that lets you generate resistance every time I use a demon stance, they cant keep corrupting that spammably. Their skill has a recharge. Mine triggers on EVERY use of a demonic skill, plus Pain Absorption.

Furthermore, I can use Pulsating Pestilence, which granted is nowhere near as good as the old Embrace the Darkness, but I can also use Vengeful Hammers, Rite of the Great Dwarf traited, and the Demon and Jalis healing skills along with some choice traits to greatly mitigate condition damage.

And if i’m not spamming boons, how often is he going to be able to corrupt my 2 second per demon stance resistance boon?

Everyone is running Glint/Shiro or Glint/Mallyx. I run Mallyx/Jalis, and conditions, even heavily stacked, are RARELY an issue for me. furthermore, I don’t stack condis on him at once, it pulses on him. He consumes them, I don’t care, I’ll KEEP adding them on. He can mitigate it, but he can’t stop it.

And by the same token, I can mitigate his, but can’t stop it. Realize, this isn’t theory crafting here, this is a build I use quite a bit…. but I will admit I haven’t done much pvp lately, been doing a ton of fractals and pve, so while I’ve run this build successfully, I haven’t had a lot of matches for awhile so not a lot of solid experience to prove the point.

I just started doing pvp again hardcore two days ago, but been using my mesmer. I’ll switch to Revenant… see if my experiences was exceptions or just more of what will be the same. But the few times I did do it with my own particular revenant build, conditions really weren’t much of a concern for me.

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Except unyielding anguish also torments them

Torment isn’t useful if you don’t have condi damage and it can be used against you by for example using consume conditions. If you are running a condi build then you really shouldn’t engage them they’ll out sustain you, use your resistance against you and use you condis against you.

If I have the trait that lets you generate resistance every time I use a demon stance, they cant keep corrupting that spammably.

Demonic defiance has a 5sec ICD, Scepter AA has none…

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Except unyielding anguish also torments them

Torment isn’t useful if you don’t have condi damage and it can be used against you by for example using consume conditions. If you are running a condi build then you really shouldn’t engage them they’ll out sustain you, use your resistance against you and use you condis against you.

If I have the trait that lets you generate resistance every time I use a demon stance, they cant keep corrupting that spammably.

Demonic defiance has a 5sec ICD, Scepter AA has none…

First of all, that’s true, but the resistance has a 2 second duration, so that is 2 out of every 5 seconds; add in Pain Resistance, there is another 2 seconds, which is spammable as long as you can afford the energy, plus vengeful hammers reducing condi damage 20% or the elite reducing it 50%.

Plus I can copy ALL conditions to him every 15 seconds.

Plus also you are basing all of this on the auto attack? I have a mace that torments and poisons during auto attacks. So why does my AA not count and his does?

I think we can keep tit-for-tatting this all day. Proof is in the pudding I suppose, so as I said, I’ll head into the arena with my build and do some hardcore pvping for a few days. I’ll admit I could be wrong. Guess I’ll have to see for sure.

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Except unyielding anguish also torments them

Torment isn’t useful if you don’t have condi damage and it can be used against you by for example using consume conditions. If you are running a condi build then you really shouldn’t engage them they’ll out sustain you, use your resistance against you and use you condis against you.

If I have the trait that lets you generate resistance every time I use a demon stance, they cant keep corrupting that spammably.

Demonic defiance has a 5sec ICD, Scepter AA has none…

So you are basing all of this on the auto attack? I have a mace that torments and poisons during auto attacks. So why does my AA not count and his does?

There is a small difference of about 670 range, condi transfers, condi cleanses and 20k+ HP.

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Except unyielding anguish also torments them

Torment isn’t useful if you don’t have condi damage and it can be used against you by for example using consume conditions. If you are running a condi build then you really shouldn’t engage them they’ll out sustain you, use your resistance against you and use you condis against you.

If I have the trait that lets you generate resistance every time I use a demon stance, they cant keep corrupting that spammably.

Demonic defiance has a 5sec ICD, Scepter AA has none…

So you are basing all of this on the auto attack? I have a mace that torments and poisons during auto attacks. So why does my AA not count and his does?

There is a small difference of about 670 range, condi transfers, condi cleanses and 20k+ HP.

Unyielding anguish leaps 600, frigid blitz has range 900, I can also condi transfer with pulsating pestilence, reduce condi damage by as much as 70%, wash off all condis with my jalis heal, spam resistance faster than he can corrupt it, convert up to 5 condis into boons because I’m using runes of lyssa, etc etc.

How long should we continue this?

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Except unyielding anguish also torments them

Torment isn’t useful if you don’t have condi damage and it can be used against you by for example using consume conditions. If you are running a condi build then you really shouldn’t engage them they’ll out sustain you, use your resistance against you and use you condis against you.

If I have the trait that lets you generate resistance every time I use a demon stance, they cant keep corrupting that spammably.

Demonic defiance has a 5sec ICD, Scepter AA has none…

So you are basing all of this on the auto attack? I have a mace that torments and poisons during auto attacks. So why does my AA not count and his does?

There is a small difference of about 670 range, condi transfers, condi cleanses and 20k+ HP.

Unyielding anguish leaps 600, frigid blitz has range 900, I can also condi transfer with pulsating pestilence, reduce condi damage by as much as 70%, wash off all condis with my jalis heal, spam resistance faster than he can corrupt it, convert up to 5 condis into boons because I’m using runes of lyssa, etc etc.

How long should we continue this?

You definitely have no idea what you talking about. No need to continue pointless discussion at this point.
Pulsating doesnt even transfer condi, it was supposed to copy one stack of all condi on you in 240 radius but its bugged and all it does is apply 3sec torment. That is. I could go on but its waste of time.

Good condi rev has a chance at best to win vs average reaper but only if the rng wont bless reaper to strip resistance. If it does then gg wp.

Current state of rev vs condi is just disgusting. Really disgusting.

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Except unyielding anguish also torments them

Torment isn’t useful if you don’t have condi damage and it can be used against you by for example using consume conditions. If you are running a condi build then you really shouldn’t engage them they’ll out sustain you, use your resistance against you and use you condis against you.

If I have the trait that lets you generate resistance every time I use a demon stance, they cant keep corrupting that spammably.

Demonic defiance has a 5sec ICD, Scepter AA has none…

So you are basing all of this on the auto attack? I have a mace that torments and poisons during auto attacks. So why does my AA not count and his does?

There is a small difference of about 670 range, condi transfers, condi cleanses and 20k+ HP.

Unyielding anguish leaps 600, I can also condi transfer with pulsating pestilence, reduce condi damage by as much as 70%, wash off all condis with my jalis heal, spam resistance faster than he can corrupt it, convert up to 5 condis into boons because I’m using runes of lyssa, etc etc.

How long should we continue this?

Unyielding Anguish costs a whopping 30 energy, Pulsating Pestilence is bugged and only applies a single stack of Torment no matter what (either way, it’s an unreliable condi COPY, not a transfer), you wont reduce condi damage by that much for long regardless of build, you can only cleanse 3 conditions with Jalis at best, and you can’t spam Resistance faster than he can corrupt because he has multiple corruptions in Scepter Auto, Signets, or Corrupt Boon (10s CD when traited…) while you need to spend a minimum of 20 Energy for ~3 seconds of Resistance (it’s not worth casting EtD just for that because of its cast time). At best, you’ll get around ~8 seconds of Resistance by spending a whopping 35 Energy, which the Necro can Corrupt with multiple long-ranged skills with small tells; some of which are instant.

The Reaper WILL corrupt that Resistance easily and you cannot replace the Resistance that fast. Even if you do somehow get Resistance back instantly every time, 3 seconds of Resistance wont save you from the constant Condition pressure and the fact that they can send the conditions back at you pretty easily with multiple skills. He’ll use all your own conditions against you and your only real defense in this case is using your elite to maybe stall for an extra second or two.

Even assuming that you time everything perfectly for optimal Resistance up-time and you somehow manage to survive the onslaught, all you’re really doing is standing around waiting on Resistance. You have 0 counter-pressure and are not a threat in the slightest.

I’ve played Reaper a lot and even a half-decent one one can be an impossible nightmare for any Revenant. It’s just too much of an up-hill battle. The Revenant’s only hope is to catch the Reaper with his pants down or spike him down in a group. You don’t stand an iota of a chance in a 1v1.

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Except unyielding anguish also torments them

Torment isn’t useful if you don’t have condi damage and it can be used against you by for example using consume conditions. If you are running a condi build then you really shouldn’t engage them they’ll out sustain you, use your resistance against you and use you condis against you.

If I have the trait that lets you generate resistance every time I use a demon stance, they cant keep corrupting that spammably.

Demonic defiance has a 5sec ICD, Scepter AA has none…

So you are basing all of this on the auto attack? I have a mace that torments and poisons during auto attacks. So why does my AA not count and his does?

There is a small difference of about 670 range, condi transfers, condi cleanses and 20k+ HP.

Unyielding anguish leaps 600, I can also condi transfer with pulsating pestilence, reduce condi damage by as much as 70%, wash off all condis with my jalis heal, spam resistance faster than he can corrupt it, convert up to 5 condis into boons because I’m using runes of lyssa, etc etc.

How long should we continue this?

You really lack knowledge about it don’t you?
On UA so what?
Pulsating pestilence doesn’t work it only applies a stack of torment, also it’s not a transfer it’s supposed to be a copy (like EtD was).

On a 45sec cooldown and it’s 50%… (Unless you are actually using jalis or some specific runes…)

Jalis heal only cleanses 3 conditions (unless there is a unlisted bug) and it’s after healing that means that if you are poisoned…
Since you said you are running lyssa that’s on a 45sec cooldown…

And he can remove your boons faster than you can reapply
corrupt boon can remove 3 boons every 10 seconds or he can remove 3 every 15 second and 2 every 5 second while in shroud. Also Scepter AA takes 2.4 seconds to complete.
Resistance can be reapplied at best around every 4sec ~ if you really want to push it every 2.5 secs…

Burtnik.5218:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Varezenem.2813:

Morfedel.4165:

Except unyielding anguish also torments them

Torment isn’t useful if you don’t have condi damage and it can be used against you by for example using consume conditions. If you are running a condi build then you really shouldn’t engage them they’ll out sustain you, use your resistance against you and use you condis against you.

If I have the trait that lets you generate resistance every time I use a demon stance, they cant keep corrupting that spammably.

Demonic defiance has a 5sec ICD, Scepter AA has none…

So you are basing all of this on the auto attack? I have a mace that torments and poisons during auto attacks. So why does my AA not count and his does?

There is a small difference of about 670 range, condi transfers, condi cleanses and 20k+ HP.

Unyielding anguish leaps 600, frigid blitz has range 900, I can also condi transfer with pulsating pestilence, reduce condi damage by as much as 70%, wash off all condis with my jalis heal, spam resistance faster than he can corrupt it, convert up to 5 condis into boons because I’m using runes of lyssa, etc etc.

How long should we continue this?

You definitely have no idea what you talking about. No need to continue pointless discussion at this point.

admittedly I havent done much pvp with my revenant, so I’ll admit I could be wrong, but the little bit I did it worked fine. Like I said, I’ll do some hardcore stuff with him the next few days to see for myself.

But the math isnt wrong. Everything I said is correct. I can spam resistance. I can strip off condis fast. I know this because I have, in fact, done it before. The only question is whether I can keep up – worst case scenario I lose by a war of attrition.

Pulsating doesnt even transfer condi, it was supposed to copy one stack of all condi on you in 240 radius but its bugged and all it does is apply 3sec torment. That is. I could go on but its waste of time.

If it’s bugged I can’t do anything about that. shrug I hadnt really noticed because I don’t use the trait much. Was going to use it for pvp, but since its bugged guess i’ll switch to something else until they get it fixed.

Good condi rev has a chance at best to win vs average reaper but only if the rng wont bless reaper to strip resistance. If it does then gg wp.

What? That doesn’t seem to be a complete english sentence.

I’ve already beaten reapers and necros with this build. Several times. Like I said, not a lot of matches, but I still did it. I suppose, based on what you are saying, my wins are statistical anomalies. And while I’m tempted to say that sarcastically, I suppose it’s actually possible. A few days of hardcore playing should prove it one way or another.

But so far it’s done well enough for me.

ok well, as aggressive as some of you are getting, I think I’ll drop this argument for now. I already admitted I could be wrong, and yes, I screwed up on the Pulsating Pestilence being bugged (I dont use it much, was going to equip it for this purpose. Effing anet has to fix that. hopefully they dont take as long as they did illusionary haste, which was well over 2 years before THAT got fixed).

But guys, come on, I SAID I had had success with it personally, but that I also only ran it a few times. Can you chill with the insults and let me actually get back on feedback? Good god….

Morfedel.4165:

But guys, come on, I SAID I had had success with it personally, but that I also only ran it a few times. Can you chill with the insults and let me actually get back on feedback? Good god….

If you have done it before the demonic defiance nerf then it’s partially explained. Even though after it while hard it was still possible. But if you aren’t playing since the jan26 patch that explains a lot since that was when necros corruption got buffed.

Also there is no problem providing feedback but you shouldn’t spread misinformation. If you weren’t playing for a while specify since when, if you want to talk about a specific skill/trait check your sources.

Morfedel.4165:

But guys, come on, I SAID I had had success with it personally, but that I also only ran it a few times. Can you chill with the insults and let me actually get back on feedback? Good god….

No one insulted you. Anecdotal evidence alone doesn’t mean much. It’s a known fact that Reaper has all the tools necessary to completely annihilate literally any Revenant build. Again, the only real chance you have is catching one while he/she’s weak or teaming up on one.

Malchior.5732:

Morfedel.4165:

But guys, come on, I SAID I had had success with it personally, but that I also only ran it a few times. Can you chill with the insults and let me actually get back on feedback? Good god….

No one insulted you. Anecdotal evidence alone doesn’t mean much. It’s a known fact that Reaper has all the tools necessary to completely annihilate literally any Revenant build. Again, the only real chance you have is catching one while he/she’s weak or teaming up on one.

Exactly.

Malchior.5732:

Morfedel.4165:

But guys, come on, I SAID I had had success with it personally, but that I also only ran it a few times. Can you chill with the insults and let me actually get back on feedback? Good god….

Reaper has all the tools necessary to completely annihilate literally any Revenant build. .

actually that’s not true….shiro is extremely good against reaper chill…

lighter.2708:

Malchior.5732:

Morfedel.4165:

But guys, come on, I SAID I had had success with it personally, but that I also only ran it a few times. Can you chill with the insults and let me actually get back on feedback? Good god….

Reaper has all the tools necessary to completely annihilate literally any Revenant build. .

actually that’s not true….shiro is extremely good against reaper chill…

Oh yea, try that out and tell me how it works out for you :^)
30 Energy for an easily re-applied Chill is great!

I use Riposting Shadows to just run away from the Reaper.

Malchior.5732:

lighter.2708:

Malchior.5732:

Morfedel.4165:

But guys, come on, I SAID I had had success with it personally, but that I also only ran it a few times. Can you chill with the insults and let me actually get back on feedback? Good god….

Reaper has all the tools necessary to completely annihilate literally any Revenant build. .

actually that’s not true….shiro is extremely good against reaper chill…

Oh yea, try that out and tell me how it works out for you :^)
30 Energy for an easily re-applied Chill is great!

I use Riposting Shadows to just run away from the Reaper.

you can duel my herald with your reaper..like seriously… i’ve yet to lose to a reaper unless i get outplayed..
also in 5v5, herald can easily jump a reaper and burst and disengage when he pops shroud then jump again when hes out of shroud with pretty low risk..unless it has ally to help..

lighter.2708:

Malchior.5732:

lighter.2708:

Malchior.5732:

Morfedel.4165:

But guys, come on, I SAID I had had success with it personally, but that I also only ran it a few times. Can you chill with the insults and let me actually get back on feedback? Good god….

Reaper has all the tools necessary to completely annihilate literally any Revenant build. .

actually that’s not true….shiro is extremely good against reaper chill…

Oh yea, try that out and tell me how it works out for you :^)
30 Energy for an easily re-applied Chill is great!

I use Riposting Shadows to just run away from the Reaper.

you can duel my herald with your reaper..like seriously… i’ve yet to lose to a reaper unless i get outplayed..
also in 5v5, herald can easily jump a reaper and burst and disengage when he pops shroud then jump again when hes out of shroud with pretty low risk..unless it has ally to help..

If you want; I’m hardly an amazing Reaper, though.

5v5 isn’t exactly what I was considering when I said what I said. There’s a lot of variables there as you point out immediately after. You could focus down the Reaper or you could get focused down.

Malchior.5732:

You could focus down the Reaper or you could get focused down.

that’s literally team play, since reaper is always the one to focus, reaper usually will position themselves and bait whoever gets out of position and have teammates punish him for it…it has nothing to do with the class but a team strategy

and no, it’s not what i want, it’s what you want, you act like there’s no way a rev will beat a necro, you act like reaper have all the tools to completely annihilate literally any Revenant build without the need to be amazing on it…it seems like you know what you talking about, you know what are the tools..so use it and prove it…that’s also very untrue and im willing prove you wrong, but will you prove me wrong is another story

lighter.2708:

Malchior.5732:

You could focus down the Reaper or you could get focused down.

that’s literally team play, since reaper is always the one to focus, reaper usually will position themselves and bait whoever gets out of position and have teammates punish him for it…it has nothing to do with the class but a team strategy

and no, it’s not what i want, it’s what you want, you said that reaper have all the tools to completely annihilate literally any Revenant build(which is obviously not true)…it seems like you know what you talking about, you know what are the tools..so use it and prove it..you act like there’s no way a rev will beat a necro..that’s also very untrue and im willing prove you wrong, but will you prove me wrong is another story

It doesn’t take a genius to tell that a Reaper has the tools to destroy a Revenant.
Just looking at what they can do:

- Far more condition application than a Revenant can handle: Check.
- Tons of Boon hate: Check.
- Unblockable attacks: Check.
- Doesn’t instantly blow up to a single Revenant: Check.
- Ranged Pressure: Check.

Can the Revenant cleanse the Chill? Yea, but in the end, it wont save you from the ridiculous pressure, especially at 30 energy per use.
Is team play important? Yea, but in the end, you cannot fight a Reaper 1v1 and expect to have even a decent chance at winning.
You cannot avoid all small skirmishes.

I’m not even saying you can’t play against a team with a Reaper; all I’m saying is that in a fight against one, the odds are heavily against you. Again, I really don’t understand how you can stand much of a chance in a small skirmish unless you have team support, or you happen to catch the Reaper when he/she is weak.

Also, if I say: “If you want”, that implies “yes, I will duel you”.

EDIT: So before Lighter comes boasting. Yes, I lost the duels. My only excuse is the same one as before: I’m not a great Reaper. I never claimed to be one.

Also, something I think you forgot is that we only tested against a “Meta” Power Herald. Do you think any other build could do it?

Malchior.5732:

EDIT: So before Lighter comes boasting. Yes, I lost the duels. My only excuse is the same one as before: I’m not a great Reaper. I never claimed to be one.

Also, something I think you forgot is that we only tested against a “Meta” Power Herald. Do you think any other build could do it?

and you did also run meta necro build, you think other necro builds will even have any chance to do it? no excuse….also saying you are not a great reaper is no excuse either, i’m no great rev, why should it require a great necro to beat a rev if necro were all that counter to rev

lighter.2708:

and you did also run meta necro build, you think other necro builds will even have any chance to do it?….

A build I copied from metabattle 5 minutes before we fought and that I barely ever used before (I used the Signet build or the classic Power build more often)?*

But sure, other stuff can work. You should check out the Necro forum instead though, because they’ll give you the most precise answers, since well, they primarily play Necro.

Look, I’ll give you exactly the same thing I said a while back: The Power Revenant’s best shot is to burst down the Reaper as best they can. It’s a bit of an exaggeration to say it’s unwinnable, but it’s definitely not easy. Especially not if you’re not running the meta power build. You argued it’s equal skill, but I can argue that if my Reaper really was equal to your Revenant, it would be a lot different; take a look at the fights where you got dangerously close to death.

EDIT: Just in case I’m not clear to you: I don’t think the current Reaper v Rev match-up is healthy design.

Also, who decided 20% is the amount of LF a Necro should start with? I’m genuinely curious.

Malchior.5732:

lighter.2708:

and you did also run meta necro build, you think other necro builds will even have any chance to do it?….

A build I copied from metabattle 5 minutes before we fought and that I barely ever used before (I used the Signet build or the classic Power build more often)?*

But sure, other stuff can work. You should check out the Necro forum instead though, because they’ll give you the most precise answers, since well, they primarily play Necro.

Look, I’ll give you exactly the same thing I said a while back: The Power Revenant’s best shot is to burst down the Reaper as best they can. It’s a bit of an exaggeration to say it’s unwinnable, but it’s definitely not easy. Especially not if you’re not running the meta power build. You argued it’s equal skill, but I can argue that if my Reaper really was equal to your Revenant, it would be a lot different; take a look at the fights where you got dangerously close to death.

EDIT: Just in case I’m not clear to you: I don’t think the current Reaper v Rev match-up is healthy design.

Also, who decided 20% is the amount of LF a Necro should start with? I’m genuinely curious.

You can start to argue when you actually find some one who has no more experience on necro then me on rev and manage to beat me with no effort

Hmmm what about cleric centaur stance with a staff?

The light field and the combos should help clear condis. Weakness will axe power builds.

At this point you need to time dodges and just try to widdle him down. I think you’ll camp in this stance and weapon since this is an attrition fight not a burst match.

lighter.2708:

Malchior.5732:

lighter.2708:

and you did also run meta necro build, you think other necro builds will even have any chance to do it?….

A build I copied from metabattle 5 minutes before we fought and that I barely ever used before (I used the Signet build or the classic Power build more often)?*

But sure, other stuff can work. You should check out the Necro forum instead though, because they’ll give you the most precise answers, since well, they primarily play Necro.

Look, I’ll give you exactly the same thing I said a while back: The Power Revenant’s best shot is to burst down the Reaper as best they can. It’s a bit of an exaggeration to say it’s unwinnable, but it’s definitely not easy. Especially not if you’re not running the meta power build. You argued it’s equal skill, but I can argue that if my Reaper really was equal to your Revenant, it would be a lot different; take a look at the fights where you got dangerously close to death.

EDIT: Just in case I’m not clear to you: I don’t think the current Reaper v Rev match-up is healthy design.

Also, who decided 20% is the amount of LF a Necro should start with? I’m genuinely curious.

You can start to argue when you actually find some one who has no more experience on necro then me on rev and manage to beat me with no effort

Assuming a random duel is actual proof, even though:
1. We only tested a single Rev build.
2. I’m not very good on Reaper; you’re assuming my Reaper equals your Rev.
I also never said the Necro doesn’t take skill to beat a Rev, but you’re just trying to say: “oh, hey, I beat this one guy, that means he’s 100% wrong; I’m better and 100% right.”
Tell me, does any other build stand a chance without trying to rush the Reaper down in a few seconds? In a more realistic setting, where the amount of LF isn’t limited, is the outcome the same? Does an equally as good Reaper become incredibly difficult (I was using an unfamiliar build against a class that I never formally duel like that)? But I’m guessing you won’t answer these.

rune of lyssa ftw

oh wow power reapers are like a free bag in wvw when you’re a revenant.

condi reapers not that hard too in wvw just keep kiting.

Laxus.3062:

oh wow power reapers are like a free bag in wvw when you’re a revenant.

Especially if they’re trying to use GS, then they’re free bags for a lot of classes

Laxus.3062:

condi reapers not that hard too in wvw just keep kiting.

Depending on the terrain, Hammer can do a good chunk of damage on a Power Build before they can close in and then you can burst them down, but I have the most trouble when they’re full of LF (which is almost always in WvW) and they just condi bomb me; Condi Mesmers are pretty annoying too, especially with clones dividing the Sword 2/3 damage.

This is even worse when I don’t run Herald. It’s pretty difficult to do much sometimes without Shield, Glint or the Herald line.

Malchior.5732:

Laxus.3062:

oh wow power reapers are like a free bag in wvw when you’re a revenant.

Especially if they’re trying to use GS, then they’re free bags for a lot of classes

Laxus.3062:

condi reapers not that hard too in wvw just keep kiting.

Depending on the terrain, Hammer can do a good chunk of damage on a Power Build before they can close in and then you can burst them down, but I have the most trouble when they’re full of LF (which is almost always in WvW) and they just condi bomb me; Condi Mesmers are pretty annoying too, especially with clones dividing the Sword 2/3 damage.

This is even worse when I don’t run Herald. It’s pretty difficult to do much sometimes without Shield, Glint or the Herald line.

yeh like 1 misstep vs a condi necro/reaper can end you with a whole lot of condis and you’ll end up losing rather then condi cleansing we have to rely on avoiding getting the condis in the first place :P