Guild Wars 2

Was they made with weapon swap in mind? I dont see other reason. Axe has 12cd shadowstep, 15 sec pull. Sword has 15sec block, 20sec pull.

I mean come on..we were supposed to have low cd’s on weapon skills due to the energy cost, but how is it a low cd? I cant call it a low cd by any means. Energy cost on them is not low either. Sword 4 with it chain effect cost 30 energy. On top of that it has slapped 15cd. Seems like an overkill for me. It will also force people to actually swap whenever someone like it or not.

If thats the direction you going on, im out. This class was sold without weapon swap, and it should remain as a viable option for people that doesnt want to swap weapons. Balance issues? I have your issues deep in …
Its not my problem, i wasnt the one who said back in january that revenant cannot swap weapons in combat, but instead they swap utility skills.

It actually looks like a worse and cheaper version of guardian with cooler fx and adrenaline bar slapped in one package to make up for it and somewhat unique when in reality its not. Ps. you should give ele weapon swap too, after all they cant change their skills between long and close range in combat – a reason why you gave rev weapon swap in the first place. Right?

They gave Rev weapon swap because they weren’t very versatile without it whereas the other classes, Engineer and Elementalist, are. Melee Ele’s have a huge amount of mobility that long/close range doesn’t really matter to them, whereas the Rev had a very little amount. The fact that you think it’s alright to give ele’s a minimum of 45 skills invalidates your entire post and makes me glad that you don’t work with the balance team. You also seem to be forgetting that this skill pulls the target back 600 units, which is pretty insane as you can also combo that with your sword/mace skills or pull targets off points. If you don’t like the cooldown, then use an offhand axe instead then. That crying at the end of the post is laughable and you seem to only do it to make yourself feel better about the class not being OP. I fail to see how the class looks anything like the guardian or how the energy bar works the same way as an adrenaline bar.

Edit: One more thing to take into consideration, this class is still in development .Be patient and give constructive criticism, they added weaponswap and increased damage across the board along with other things because of feedback. You haven’t even tested this skill yet and you’re whining.

With no cd you can basically do infinite block+immobilize or move a target wherever you want for a very long distance. It could be used to break the game.

Weaponswap doesn’t really matter, because it’s designed to also swap in weapons for different situations (like range or healing)
Also why do you need to use sword OH skills often? It’s bad for the dps.

If the cd is too high however, I’m sure you can tell them after the next beta.

MercenaryNote.8506:

They gave Rev weapon swap because they weren’t very versatile without it. Melee Ele’s have a huge amount of mobility that long/close range doesn’t really matter to them, whereas the Rev had none.

Revenant received mobility with Shiro, much better than any ele can even dream of.

MercenaryNote.8506:

You also seem to be forgetting that this skill pulls the target back 600 units, which is pretty insane as you can also combo that with your sword/mace skills or pull targets off points.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Magnet
Can be and will be trained for 20cd, unblockable 1200 range pull. Sword pull which has to be used in melee and can be blocked is insane? Then what are you going to say about magnet? Even more stuff to combo with.

MercenaryNote.8506:

If you don’t like the cooldown, then use an offhand axe instead then.

Axe is a condition weapon. Makes no sense to use power weapon with condition unless you run cele. 12/15cd should be placed on offhand sword as well

MercenaryNote.8506:

That crying at the end of the post is laughable and you seem to only do it to make yourself feel better about the class not being OP. I fail to see how the class looks anything like the guardian or how the energy bar works the same way as an adrenaline bar.

What crying? That is the truth. A class that was supposed to be released without weapon swap got one due to the amount of QQ on forum, nothing else. Their reason to add it is so cheap as the “dragonhunter high concept” name. They basically kitten those that been looking for a heavy version of ele and engi. Like i said if their cheap reason for weapon swap was to give revenant ability to swap between close and long range to adapt in combat, ele deserves to get that option too as well. Just like rev in beta they cant swap in range and adapt to situation.

I’m pretty sure Roy said they already had a version with weaponswap and just wanted feedback to be sure.

skowcia.8257:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Magnet
Can be and will be trained for 20cd, unblockable 1200 range pull. Sword pull which has to be used in melee and can be blocked is insane? Then what are you going to say about magnet? Even more stuff to combo with.

>toolkit
>has 25s cooldown
>need to waste a trait to reach 20 cd

You already answered yourself.
20s cooldown with no traits on a similar skill is already pretty low.
You trade 5s for less range and blockable. It’s fair.
Also because it’s a weaponskill on a popular weapon. You’re not forced to equip a bad kit for that.

skowcia.8257:

Revenant received mobility with Shiro, much better than any ele can even dream of.

…okay, that’s pretty much told me everything i needed to know about this thread.

Astralporing.1957:

skowcia.8257:

Revenant received mobility with Shiro, much better than any ele can even dream of.

…okay, that’s pretty much told me everything i needed to know about this thread.

Lol, I did miss that. Ok /thread

So are you trying to tell me that ele has better mobility in combat? 1200 range – basically a teleport with short casttime compared to what..?

Ride the lightning on 40cd, lightning flash also on 40cd (900range), burning speed with 15cd (600 range)? Revenant mobility in combat matches thief/mesmer

Revenant received mobility with Shiro, much better than any ele can even dream of.

Actually, at 35 energy per use and a max range of 1200, you’ll only be using this move twice before having to wait for it to be used again and probably having to legend swap, I also doubt that if you were being smart in a situation, that you’d use the gap closer twice as you’d probably want to save energy for the stunbreaker or impossible odds, in a realistic situation, Ele still has more mobility than the Revenant or atleast matches it. Their goal WAS to have Revenant’s be as fast as thieves in combat..

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Magnet
Can be and will be trained for 20cd, unblockable 1200 range pull. Sword pull which has to be used in melee and can be blocked is insane? Then what are you going to say about magnet? Even more stuff to combo with.

You also forget how easily telegraphed that move is, and any competent can evade this. The only times I’ve seen people get pulled by this is

1. They ran out of endurance
2. They were focused in a group fight and couldn’t see the telegraph in all the chaos
3. They just weren’t paying attention

The thing with the sword pull is that it has less cast time, so you’re more than likely to be able to hit it and that fact that there isn’t a huge telegraph also contributes to that. And your gap closer also makes your next two hits unblockable. Even with all that said, Sword 5 and Magnet are both insane moves.

Axe is a condition weapon. Makes no sense to use power weapon with condition unless you run cele. 12/15cd should be placed on offhand sword as well

Actually, the Axe does more pure damage than you can ever hope for with an offhand sword. Look and compare the moves here.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shackling_Wave

586 dmg, 2 second immob. following a 2 second block.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Frigid_Blitz

813 dmg, 2 second chill, unblockable. Gap closer.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Grasping_Shadow

593 dmg, 600 unit pull

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Temporal_Rift

382 dmg, +382-762 dmg. = 764-1144 dmg. Pull included.

So yeah, Axe isn’t a condi weapon exclusively, it’s an alternative more or less.

What crying? That is the truth. A class that was supposed to be released without weapon swap got one due to the amount of QQ on forum, nothing else. Their reason to add it is so cheap as the “dragonhunter high concept” name. They basically kitten those that been looking for a heavy version of ele and engi. Like i said if their cheap reason for weapon swap was to give revenant ability to swap between close and long range to adapt in combat, ele deserves to get that option too as well. Just like rev in beta they cant swap in range and adapt to situation.

It is crying because your statement at the end of the original post wasn’t needed or at all relevant to the topic you proposed. And it still astounds me that you think it’s alright to give Ele’s 40 weapon skills at their disposal. That’s broken beyond belief and Ele definitely doesn’t deserve it BECAUSE They’re absolutely fine without it. I’ve never heard a competent Ele complain about range or being forced into melee.


I’m not trying to say that they won’t reduce the cooldown, but come on man, you haven’t even tested the sword yet and though you do have some valid criticism, it’s not very well constructed. Wait for the next beta, give feedback when you’ve tried it.

Skowcia, Thiefs can blinkspam or leapspam.
Both thief and ele have 25% movement speed signets and/or traits.
Revenant can’t do any of those. Just backdodge, not a teleport and can’t be done gapclose and engage (most similar thing we have to an aggressive blink is Unrelenting Assault that is just 450 range).

Plus you said mobility, not combat mobility.

MercenaryNote.8506:

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I wont really take full advantage of axe in power build espesially when then buffed torment on it, not to mention that axe 4 and 5 tend to bug a lot. Magnet can be paired with stealth, due to it long animation its also a great tool to bait out dodges. As for the mobility part..35 is a cost of stunbreak. 20 is for the mobility skill. you can basically cast it 3 times in a row to cover 3600 distance right after a legend swap.

http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/gw2-revenant-shiro-legend-skills.jpg

Kidel.2057:

Skowcia, Thiefs can blinkspam or leapspam.
Both thief and ele have 25% movement speed signets and/or traits.

A thief wont be able to escape from Shiro rev by any means unless he use stealth. Infiltrators arrow cost almost half of their ini for 900 range shadowstep (it also has casttime.), it takes 6 seconds to recover lost ini. Meanwhile revenant will recover their lost energy from phase in 4 seconds. You can count shadowstep but it doesnt really help them all that much. And which thief uses +25% signet? I have not seen a single thief using that one….

You’re still not going to be using the blink skill more than once because you still have to manage your energy. Axe in a power build does a lot of damage especially due to frigid blitz and the buff to torment only complements the raw physical damage you do with temporal rift, the only downside to the torment on that skill is that the torment can be cleansed, but the axe still does more damage than the offhand sword, but it has a lot less utility. Also, I didn’t have any trouble with any of the axe skills, the only complaint I heard about them was the lack of condi (fixed) and the fact that frigid blitz would sometimes make people fall off cliffs (but that’s just because of how the skill works) but at no point did I or anyone I played with encounter any outstanding bugs with the axe (where you seem to imply that it’s useless).