Guild Wars 2

Hi guys while the other topic focused on simple changes that would make Ventari more viable while still somewhat UP. This topic focuses on revamping to promote more build diversity.

Legendary Centaur Stance
These changes are aimed at making the tablet more effective and reliable by reducing the clunkiness and reducing the gap in healing between Ventari and druids/tempests.

Remove summoning. Tablet it automatically summoned at your location when you use a legendary centaur stance skill.

• Ventari’s Will
  Instant cast and increase the modifier to 0.5 (from 0.4)

• Natural Harmony
  Give it a 1 sec cast time, decrease cooldown to 1 sec, remove the delay and increase the modifier to 1 (from 0.6).
  This change is aimed at preserving CC as a counter while giving us our much needed burst heal for raids.

• Purifying Harmony
  AoE stunbreak centered around the tablet (If enhanced bulwark is removed) . Decrease energy cost to 25.

• Energy expulsion
  Increase energy cost to 40 to compensate for not having to re-summon the tablet.

Salvation
These changes are aimed at making the control line more viable. Changing underused traits and allowing “Ventari camping” to be a viable play style while increasing our healing.

Minor

• Hardened Foundations
  Change it to Toughness->Healing Power 7%

• Serene Rejuvenation
  Increase to it to 20% outgoing healing.

Adept

• Nourishing Roots
  Give it a “Increase regeneration effectiveness by 15%”. Move it to master tier instead of Eluding Nullification.
  Put tranquil benediction in its place.
  This change should allow us to heal more than 5 targets better getting closer to the performance of druids/tempest while making “Ventari Camping” viable.

Master

• Eluding Nullification
  Remove this trait.
  This trait in its current state is useless but it might in the future increase our sustain too much.

Grand Master

• Momentary Pacification
  Enemy skills that you interrupt have their cooldown increased by 10 seconds. Immobilize enemies that you interrupt (1sec).
  Similar to power block should work well with staff 2 and with our access to hard CC.

Staff

• Punishing sweep
  Increase energy cost to 10. Reduce cast time to 1/2 and make it daze 1/2 seconds. Remove the weakness.
• Debilitating slam
  Reduce energy cost to 10. Increase cast time to 1/2.Remove daze. Give it the weakness.
  Note remove enhanced bulwark this trait does not fit the traitline and is a great part of what makes retribution and herald required traitlines for the revenant. Compensate Jalis for the increased CC vulnerability. The compensation for Ventari is under Purifying Essence.

Hi,

Hi, thanks for talking a bit about ventari. It’s a pity that your post did not recieve more attention. For having played ventari healer (with max healing gear, whatever it is) in both raids and open world PVE content :

Talking with a PVE player point of view (raids/open world). You point out things they could improve mainly about the healing itself whereas it is just great at the moment. We don’t need more healing., for having played both classes we are already better than druids on that, no matter people think.

What we need to be competitive and to be useful to the squad is to bring something offensive, ie : damages. Who cares about protection/regen (we can have a 100% uptime on both easily)/great healing when so many groups can clear the current raid wing with a zaelot/berserker trinkets druid. The min/max meta says it is up to the people to dodge correctly, not to walk into seekers and to mitigate their damages by playing with eyes opened, run zerker/viper stuff and have a healer that deals as much dmg as possible.

Raid squads think as they won’t lack healing, and if they are correctly playing they won’t. That’s why the druid is meta, it is the only one bringing damage bonus to the squad.

Thought in comparison with the druid able to virtually deal as much dps as any other dps because of the dmg bonus, my suggestions to make the ventari useful would more be something like :

4 - A mix of ideas 1,2 and 3 : your damage bonus using tablet6 is based on your healing stat. With full exotic healing gear + food + utility you can have about 1600 healing. Using 6 could grant healed people a stackable damage bonus of (0.2%)x(healing stat) for 10s like explained in 2. This way there would be no zerker ventari because of the tablet6 cast time that breaks your dps + the healing stat needed. And the maximum damage brought would be +16.5% on 5 people with 1650 healing. Less than the druid but easier to keep up.

• But with 3 you would see ventari zerkers everywhere, dealing their autoattack dps while using their energy to support the squad with an instant skill.
• 2 it would be a bit better than 1 because the efficient squad support would come from tablet6 spam, and because of the small cast time doing this will prevent autoattack zerkers to do decent damage.
• 1 is the idea that I like the most, having a dps based on the healing would be awesome !!! but despite the number are good for PVE, landing a 50k hit in pvp would be kind of a problem ahah, I did not find a good way to have heal based damages without breaking the pvp….
• 4 is just how I would do things, that’s doable and it doesn’t break any balancement in the game for what I can think of, it would just improve the current meta with more diversity and viability

Devs did an amazing job with the tablet mechanic and the dedicated healing stance, a shame that we are useless to the squad compared to the druid because of this lack of offensive support
Anyway no one is going to read this, and no improvement will happen, let’s just dream about how good this stance could be and keep being kicked from pugs for wanting to heal as ventari

trebmi.5180:

Disagree with that, having an instant Natural Harmony is what makes it awesome, you can move the tablet while using this skill and so land your heal when the tablet reaches the target. Having a cast time on that skill sould ruin this mechanic.

Combo is still perfectly possible, after all, movement is insta cast the cast time is about the same as tablet travel time. I add the cast time to compensate the movement being insta cast.
On PE the amount it cleanses is about right IMO but given the frequency you have to use you are left with no energy to heal. Energy cost reduction is aimed at that, stunbreak is a compensation of the loss of enhanced bulwark.

Energy expulsion is strong in SPvP it can be used to decap and even recap points while the fragments allow you to recover up to 10k health (usually only about 6k).

I think the biggest issue with Ventari has to be the cast time on moving the tablet. The cast time should be removed and that should be the first thing done with Ventari. See how it goes and move from there.

Regarding usefulness for raids, here are my suggestions, which are similar in line with yours. Provided healing ibecomes roughly the same as druid’s, Ventari needs offensive support.

Hardened Foundations
Change it to Toughness->Healing Power 7%
*My suggestion: make it healing power to concentration conversion. The amount of toughness in a Ventari rev build can mess boss aggro.

Serene Rejuvenation
Increase to it to 20% outgoing healing.
*My suggestion: Ventari needs some offensive support. Keep the 15% and rather than buffing the outgoing healing, make it so Regen, Swiftness, and Protection you apply also grant +50 power or something similar.

Momentary Pacification is a silly trait in its current form, seeing as 3/5 elites are already CCs and this would just overwrite a stronger form of the CC. I think your version may be a bit strong, but it needs to be changed.

I’m not sure what to do with Punishing Sweep. Doesn’t seem to impactiful in pvp. Maybe your change to having the CC first will be useful, but I’m not sure.

Anyway, thanks for making a nice post about Ventari. I think it’s a very unique playstyle and would prefer to play it over my druid sometimes. I play healer/tank with Ventari/Glint rev on VG this week for fun (tank mainly because there’s no good way to get around having high toughness without completely ruining your healing ability). It was actually quite fun and very active compared to playing druid, which is just walking near people and spamming all the crazy strong effortless heals.

Cheers!

Pazu.8320:

Anyway, thanks for making a nice post about Ventari. I think it’s a very unique playstyle and would prefer to play it over my druid sometimes. I play healer/tank with Ventari/Glint rev on VG this week for fun (tank mainly because there’s no good way to get around having high toughness without completely ruining your healing ability). It was actually quite fun and very active compared to playing druid, which is just walking near people and spamming all the crazy strong effortless heals.

Cheers!

My idea about that is instead of increasing the offensive support of Ventari (that also goes against his theme) is allowing ventari/glint to act as a tank/healer freeing up a slot for another DPS.
Also except for the healing the advantage might be diminished depending on the mechanics for the next raid wing. By for example requiring more projectile hate.
The amount of offensive support a ventari/glint revenant can do is exactly the same as a power rev since we can take the same traits (deva/herald).

Varezenem.2813:

Pazu.8320:

Anyway, thanks for making a nice post about Ventari. I think it’s a very unique playstyle and would prefer to play it over my druid sometimes. I play healer/tank with Ventari/Glint rev on VG this week for fun (tank mainly because there’s no good way to get around having high toughness without completely ruining your healing ability). It was actually quite fun and very active compared to playing druid, which is just walking near people and spamming all the crazy strong effortless heals.

Cheers!

My idea about that is instead of increasing the offensive support of Ventari (that also goes against his theme) is allowing ventari/glint to act as a tank/healer freeing up a slot for another DPS.
Also except for the healing the advantage might be diminished depending on the mechanics for the next raid wing. By for example requiring more projectile hate.
The amount of offensive support a ventari/glint revenant can is exactly the same as a power rev since we can take the same traits (deva/herald).

I agree, it’s great support under the right circumstances with Facet of Nature, Assassin’s Presence, boons. One more unique buff would put it in line with druid. Doesn’t even have to be offensive really. I do hope that it finds a place in the next raid wing along with a couple adjustments to Salvation and the Ventari skills.

EDIT: Just realized the next wing is call Salvation Pass. It’s meant to be!