Guild Wars 2

Currently sword #5 is a pull backwards teleport IF u manage to get to the moving target, which may not be situational to use. Wouldn’t it be more beneficial if sword #5 instead was a 600 range pull to you with a 15-20 sec cd, as a more logical gap closer? Maybe this has been bought up before, it’s just that the current sword #5 would see less use in a PvP setting.

I like that idea. It’d definitely be better. I still doubt most people would use it over the axe or shield though.

Fact is sword#5 was designed to be a “pick target” skill.
You are attacking in melee and in order to burst down someone you pull it off from the group.
The idea is original and unique, it just needs fixing. If you want a gap closer you can pick axe ;-)

Yeah cuz currently sword sword would see little use. Maybe even make it so that sword #5 works like an interrupt when pulling target towards u, cancelling their action if they were casting/channeling

Gaaroth.2567:

Fact is sword#5 was designed to be a “pick target” skill.
You are attacking in melee and in order to burst down someone you pull it off from the group.
The idea is original and unique, it just needs fixing. If you want a gap closer you can pick axe ;-)

This makes sense, idk if the current sword #5 was just a bit akward to use

Edit: with my proposal it would still see the same function though as u are pulling someone away, instead.of having to.walk up to someone which may not be beneficial in a big fight

Sword 5 is designed to get max damage out of sword 3, and also to eliminate sword 3s only weakness, by letting you pull your target off a wall.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Sword 5 is designed to get max damage out of sword 3, and also to eliminate sword 3s only weakness, by letting you pull your target off a wall.

One dodge and your enemy is back to team.. if it was supposed to work this way it would need 1200 range. 600 is nothing when UA has 450 radius.

Burtnik.5218:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Sword 5 is designed to get max damage out of sword 3, and also to eliminate sword 3s only weakness, by letting you pull your target off a wall.

One dodge and your enemy is back to team.. if it was supposed to work this way it would need 1200 range. 600 is nothing when UA has 450 radius.

dunno about 1200 but it could use with a small boost 700-800

It would be more helpful if the Sword 5 was two-pronge chain, first attack involved a leap (or mist teleport) towards and the secondary attack in chain was the current pull back and follow to you. It gives it a small flavor similar to Ranger sword 2 but in reverse.

Artaz.3819:

It would be more helpful if the Sword 5 was two-pronge chain, first attack involved a leap (or mist teleport) towards and the secondary attack in chain was the current pull back and follow to you. It gives it a small flavor similar to Ranger sword 2 but in reverse.

Sounds good. Make it so.

Engage!

Would be nice if it had like 300 or 450 range so hitting with it wouldn’t be so hard without a movement skill to gap-close first.

Well like i said in another thread it should be a shadowstep which pulls your target in a similiar fashion to phase smash. Or just make it ranged pull like everything else..cause you pull to close the gap right? Melee pull makes little sense.

i would be happy with ANY of the changes you guys listed here

at the momment Sword offhand is meh in both pvp and pve

To make off-hand sword more viable option, you could possibly change the Grasping Shadow in a way that you shadowstep to the foe, hit them and if the hit lands, then you shadowstep to where you started this skill with the foe you targeted.

This way it would be at least sort of a gap closer with possiblity to kidnap the foe.

Frozey.8513:

To make off-hand sword more viable option, you could possibly change the Grasping Shadow in a way that you shadowstep to the foe, hit them and if the hit lands, then you shadowstep to where you started this skill with the foe you targeted.

This way it would be at least sort of a gap closer with possiblity to kidnap the foe.

might resolve the pathing issue in this case, if they can switch it off for the returning shadowstep (like theives’ sword#2)
Fact is in this case we lose the overall functionality, where you are in melee and pick up a target, insted of being at range and then in/out to kidnap, but hey, at least we would have some sort of control of where do we end on return.

Yeah…i guess this is the best solution!

Frozey.8513:

To make off-hand sword more viable option, you could possibly change the Grasping Shadow in a way that you shadowstep to the foe, hit them and if the hit lands, then you shadowstep to where you started this skill with the foe you targeted.

This way it would be at least sort of a gap closer with possiblity to kidnap the foe.

this please !

THIS !!!!!!!!!!!

Personally, I always used this to mess up people trying to rally their downed teammates.

When the skill was originally revealed, I had been under the impression that you would indeed shadowstep to your foe, and then shadowstep back to your original position as you pulled your foe with you.

I feel like from a utility standpoint that would make much more sense. Having to travel to your enemy kind of defeats the purpose of a pull.

I love the ideas. The skill is so clunky and counterintuitive. I like to add my own take on the skill though:

Grasping Shadows -> 600 range teleport/leap with a properly telegraphed attack (so there is some counteplay to it) and gain access to “Leaping Shadows” ONLY if the attack lands.

Leaping Shadows -> 1200/900 range return to original position and has a 900 range unblockable/unevadable pull the target hit by Grasping Shadows. The pull can be blocked by objects such as walls and rocks, but you can still return to your original position even if the pull was countered.

To me, it’s all about whether you are in Shiro legend for Phase Traversal. Without Shiro, sword offhand really is not an option. That’s why Axe and Frigid Blitz is just all around better (and costs less energy and applies Chill condition too).

Frozey.8513:

To make off-hand sword more viable option, you could possibly change the Grasping Shadow in a way that you shadowstep to the foe, hit them and if the hit lands, then you shadowstep to where you started this skill with the foe you targeted.

This way it would be at least sort of a gap closer with possiblity to kidnap the foe.

I like this idea too. However, the issue I see with this idea is on the technical side. I foresee being able to shadow step and pull PvP/WvW players into terrain. I imagine a WvW cross-realmer pulling enemy lords into terrain for them to never be able to reset/be targetable by enemies and/or get stuck. You might be able to even pull a lord multiple times to an entirely different area on the map/into a wall (thinking of Stonemist Castle).

The #1 issue I have with Sword 5 though still is the energy cost/cooldown with no condition (like immobilize or even vulnerability). It’s just extremely weak.

Burtnik.5218:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Sword 5 is designed to get max damage out of sword 3, and also to eliminate sword 3s only weakness, by letting you pull your target off a wall.

One dodge and your enemy is back to team.. if it was supposed to work this way it would need 1200 range. 600 is nothing when UA has 450 radius.

It pulls them to you, so even if you were out of range of UA you’ll be in range after. It could definitely use an immobilize, though, to prevent what you’re saying.

Another issue I don’t like with the skill is that if the grab portion of it fails my character still ports backwards. If it fails I should stay in place.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Burtnik.5218:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Sword 5 is designed to get max damage out of sword 3, and also to eliminate sword 3s only weakness, by letting you pull your target off a wall.

One dodge and your enemy is back to team.. if it was supposed to work this way it would need 1200 range. 600 is nothing when UA has 450 radius.

It pulls them to you, so even if you were out of range of UA you’ll be in range after. It could definitely use an immobilize, though, to prevent what you’re saying.

Huh? I was talking about the fact that you can run 150 meters to teammates/pets or w/e after a pull and call it a day. Honestly this ability cost too much and if they want to keep it this way it should be unblockable at least to rupt shelters, crystal hibernation and so on – btw if it rupt these kind of attacks it doesnt even pull.

Atm outside of block sword is terrible and i considering to run shield like everyone else till they dont fix it..

Burtnik.5218:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Burtnik.5218:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Sword 5 is designed to get max damage out of sword 3, and also to eliminate sword 3s only weakness, by letting you pull your target off a wall.

One dodge and your enemy is back to team.. if it was supposed to work this way it would need 1200 range. 600 is nothing when UA has 450 radius.

It pulls them to you, so even if you were out of range of UA you’ll be in range after. It could definitely use an immobilize, though, to prevent what you’re saying.

Huh? I was talking about the fact that you can run 150 meters to teammates/pets or w/e after a pull and call it a day. Honestly this ability cost too much and if they want to keep it this way it should be unblockable at least to rupt shelters, crystal hibernation and so on – btw if it rupt these kind of attacks it doesnt even pull.

Atm outside of block sword is terrible and i considering to run shield like everyone else till they dont fix it..

Not if you’re immobilized you can’t, what is there to misunderstand?

Kal Spiro.9745:

Burtnik.5218:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Burtnik.5218:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Sword 5 is designed to get max damage out of sword 3, and also to eliminate sword 3s only weakness, by letting you pull your target off a wall.

One dodge and your enemy is back to team.. if it was supposed to work this way it would need 1200 range. 600 is nothing when UA has 450 radius.

It pulls them to you, so even if you were out of range of UA you’ll be in range after. It could definitely use an immobilize, though, to prevent what you’re saying.

Huh? I was talking about the fact that you can run 150 meters to teammates/pets or w/e after a pull and call it a day. Honestly this ability cost too much and if they want to keep it this way it should be unblockable at least to rupt shelters, crystal hibernation and so on – btw if it rupt these kind of attacks it doesnt even pull.

Atm outside of block sword is terrible and i considering to run shield like everyone else till they dont fix it..

Not if you’re immobilized you can’t, what is there to misunderstand?

We already have immo on wave. There is still that thing that other teammate/pet can come close scenario so even if we apply immo..it doesnt matter really.

Burtnik.5218:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Burtnik.5218:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Burtnik.5218:

Kal Spiro.9745:

Sword 5 is designed to get max damage out of sword 3, and also to eliminate sword 3s only weakness, by letting you pull your target off a wall.

One dodge and your enemy is back to team.. if it was supposed to work this way it would need 1200 range. 600 is nothing when UA has 450 radius.

It pulls them to you, so even if you were out of range of UA you’ll be in range after. It could definitely use an immobilize, though, to prevent what you’re saying.

Huh? I was talking about the fact that you can run 150 meters to teammates/pets or w/e after a pull and call it a day. Honestly this ability cost too much and if they want to keep it this way it should be unblockable at least to rupt shelters, crystal hibernation and so on – btw if it rupt these kind of attacks it doesnt even pull.

Atm outside of block sword is terrible and i considering to run shield like everyone else till they dont fix it..

Not if you’re immobilized you can’t, what is there to misunderstand?

We already have immo on wave. There is still that thing that other teammate/pet can come close scenario so even if we apply immo..it doesnt matter really.

All I’m getting out of this is, there are potential counters therefore it’s trash. Things should have counters, that’s a good thing.