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Thief essence sap steal broken
Thieves are the class for handless people.
You sadden there with this post…
Thieves are the class for handless people.
You sadden there with this post…
Have you actually played one? A bad thief is the saddest sight in PvP.
2OP, Improvisation lets them cast a stolen ability twice, so the duration stacks. I don’t know how much is the slow on that but it can’t be 1 second, it would be totally useless. It’s 3 seconds, right?
Too much mobility, too much invisible, too much dmg with spamming (no one can;t survive against thief with 50% hp at the moment of attack, even block biggest part of shots).
Just try to play someone else to understand, that thieves too strong even in handless player…
and main problem, that you can’t run away from this kitty. But he can run from you=)
Riposting shadows should remove slow. For now just waste energy for impossible odds as everything in rev set simply bug to slow. So far none of our issues was fixed but we received nerfs already!
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Playing Smite since mid s2, f broken gw2.
Playing Smite since mid s2, f broken gw2.
You cant nerf somethings just because that cause a bug on something else.. Fix the bug, Then if it still broken, most of the case is not, Then nerf.
Sorry the post was a bit unclear. Now if i am not mistaken the duration of slow should be 1s according to gw2 wiki.
wait, thieves are easy kills… ex thief here n’all. and abuse fields…. waters espesh…
gravity is my arch-nemesis.
Too much mobility, too much invisible, too much dmg with spamming (no one can;t survive against thief with 50% hp at the moment of attack, even block biggest part of shots).
Just try to play someone else to understand, that thieves too strong even in handless player…
and main problem, that you can’t run away from this kitty. But he can run from you=)
The sad thing is that, despite thief being far and away the weakest dueling profession, you probably actually believe all of that. There’s certainly an issue here but it’s not with thieves being “too strong”.
Diving back into reality for a moment, the profession has some serious sustain issues especially in PvP. If their stolen skill helps with that a bit I see nothing wrong with it.
Well against revenant thief wins almost everytime when revenant gets 7s of slow from stealth and can’t use skills.
Too much mobility, too much invisible, too much dmg with spamming (no one can;t survive against thief with 50% hp at the moment of attack, even block biggest part of shots).
Just try to play someone else to understand, that thieves too strong even in handless player…
and main problem, that you can’t run away from this kitty. But he can run from you=)The sad thing is that, despite thief being far and away the weakest dueling profession, you probably actually believe all of that. There’s certainly an issue here but it’s not with thieves being “too strong”.
Diving back into reality for a moment, the profession has some serious sustain issues especially in PvP. If their stolen skill helps with that a bit I see nothing wrong with it.
Thieves was most survivable tanks about 1-2 year ago. May be try something else then zerker glass cannon build?
And i don’t think, that ability attack someone and easy run away is worst. Get this to my revenant and i will be happy. Get this to my engj about year ago “i will be happy”.
Ask this question anyone – ability easy run away is greatest!
Cos so interesting dueling with one people and try to run away from 3 bodies at next moment. Thieves can do it, why others can’t away even from thief?
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Well against revenant thief wins almost everytime when revenant gets 7s of slow from stealth and can’t use skills.
I could be wrong but IIRC doesn’t slow also slow down skills in beneficial ways as well? By this I mean extended time in crystal hibernation, worst case scenario there’s always this to fall back on.
Admittedly I haven’t really run into this problem too much (possibly because I run invocation + staff for PvP), but I haven’t had any issues with any thief in a 1v1 scenario. Between more damage migation and tankiness, a nice stealth breaker on glint, and subjectively higher burst their stolen skill can only carry the matchup but so far.
Thieves was most survivable tanks about 1-2 year ago. May be try something else then zerker glass cannon build?
And i don’t think, that ability attack someone and easy run away is worst. Get this to my revenant and i will be happy. Get this to my engj about year ago “i will be happy”.
Ask this question anyone – ability easy run away is greatest!
Cos so interesting dueling with one people and try to run away from 3 bodies at next moment. Thieves can do it, why others can’t away even from thief?
That was 1-2 years ago, now even the mandatory marauder’s doesn’t cut it. Former thief here so perhaps I am a little biased, however every profession has their strengths and weaknesses. Mobility is of course the thiefs, and is almost the sole reason why they remain relevant in the PvP meta.
Ultimately it comes down to this, are thieves a very mobile class? Of course they are, however when it comes to actual combat the best approach (that I very sadly have to agree with) is to not initiate 1v1s in the first place due to how weak it is right now. If we were to do as you said and give engie and rev (though rev has strong mobility already) thief levels of mobility the profession would become completely redundant.
Engineers get mobility from scrapper, and now it’s real power. Not slow char, that anyone can shoot with no punishment.
Rev has no condies removal, has no mobility. Get roots? Just stay and die (or block dmg) or swap into demon. Can you run after that? No! No condy remove, just be chilled/crippled/rooted. And conditions dmg you into block. So funny get – 1-1.5 k hp per second.
May be after some up of stance (except herald and shiro), rev will be ok, but now he is too weak.
P.s. don’t think, that thieves with poisons and controll too bad dualist. -50% hp after initiations to my revenant with sentinel (it’s about 15k hp was lost). And all time i was into permo control. And get roots after that…
Most playble build for me demon + shiro (with dwarf tree). Just meser style. Shiro tree for more dmg. Not bad shiro + ventari, but too horrible (all time like a shiro with ability to heal ally and focus weakness).
Problem, that only dmg usable at rev. Liuke a tank we got weakness to control/condies/burst. Yeah, demon good against condy necro, but too weak against control and burst (more def weapon). And no good stance against control (herald with 1 break stun and shiro with too hight costs for ability, but cheaper, that dwarf).
Ok, will be great, if rev has weakness to control, but with conditions we get too much weakness.
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Too much mobility, too much invisible, too much dmg with spamming (no one can;t survive against thief with 50% hp at the moment of attack, even block biggest part of shots).
Just try to play someone else to understand, that thieves too strong even in handless player…
and main problem, that you can’t run away from this kitty. But he can run from you=)
If you’re losing to thieves then it’s a serious learn to play issue. Rev has reveals and thief has initiative so everything is on CD at the same time. If you shortbow 5 twice to go somewhere that’s all your initiative taken and shadow refuge is on CD for an entire minute. Thief damage is largely situational and only viable against a single target whereas ele can do big damage to a big group and because of attunement swapping there’s always something off cooldown.
If a thief runs away it means he knows he’s at a disadvantage and due to poor defense has to escape, so if he runs away consider it a victory.
or he can go into invisible and wait (healing himself and regen initiative). Cos you really don’t know run away he, or not.
But real problem ,that you can’t run away from thief…
or he can go into invisible and wait (healing himself and regen initiative). Cos you really don’t know run away he, or not.
But real problem ,that you can’t run away from thief…
Reveal him. You’re a Revenant, you can do that.
No Revenant has any right to lose to a Thief.
Cyrus Neveris – Watchers of the Vale [WoV]
Reveal him. You’re a Revenant, you can do that.
No Revenant has any right to lose to a Thief.
Hmm, have i revelation? No.
For you words, i should play only into herald. But what if i play at other build, or only herald should be available at this game, not everyone?
or he can go into invisible and wait (healing himself and regen initiative). Cos you really don’t know run away he, or not.
But real problem ,that you can’t run away from thief…Reveal him. You’re a Revenant, you can do that.
No Revenant has any right to lose to a Thief.
Actually s/d daredevil has all neccesary tools to beat revenant. Slow is just a cherry on top. Glint healing is useless vs them and Shiro inst that great either due to the amount of evades they can get+stealth right as you swap to Shiro so you wont reveal him.
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Playing Smite since mid s2, f broken gw2.
Playing Smite since mid s2, f broken gw2.
or he can go into invisible and wait (healing himself and regen initiative). Cos you really don’t know run away he, or not.
But real problem ,that you can’t run away from thief…Reveal him. You’re a Revenant, you can do that.
No Revenant has any right to lose to a Thief.
Actually s/d daredevil has all neccesary tools to beat revenant. Slow is just a cherry on top. Glint healing is useless vs them and Shiro inst that great either due to the amount of evades they can get+stealth right as you swap to Shiro so you wont reveal him.
agree dardevil’s actually do really well against revs, on my s/d thief i eat them alive. and on my rev i tend to struggle with them if they know what they are doing.
Reveal him. You’re a Revenant, you can do that.
No Revenant has any right to lose to a Thief.
Hmm, have i revelation? No.
For you words, i should play only into herald. But what if i play at other build, or only herald should be available at this game, not everyone?
You have a Aoe reveal in Glint.
Characters :
Nooctae ( Thief ) / Encelya ( Engineer ) / Jane Crimson ( Elementalist ) / Kowywr ( Revenant )
Europe, Vizunah.
Nooctae ( Thief ) / Encelya ( Engineer ) / Jane Crimson ( Elementalist ) / Kowywr ( Revenant )
Europe, Vizunah.
Don’t play herald.
Tell me about ventari, dwarf and demon…
Don’t play herald.
Tell me about ventari, dwarf and demon…
If you don’t play Glint in PvP you have no right to complain. Play the best spec available or accept your limitations.
Characters :
Nooctae ( Thief ) / Encelya ( Engineer ) / Jane Crimson ( Elementalist ) / Kowywr ( Revenant )
Europe, Vizunah.
Nooctae ( Thief ) / Encelya ( Engineer ) / Jane Crimson ( Elementalist ) / Kowywr ( Revenant )
Europe, Vizunah.
Lol. why are you playing thieves, if they so weak. play warrior/scraper/ranger to know your limits!
If thief not weak, so will be so huge nerf decrease duration from 3 to 1 second?=)