Guild Wars 2

So as a rev main, i see everyone complaining about underwater combat and how we cant use legends etc, tbh is it even a big deal? How often do you do underwater combat at max level in pve?? probably only during the underwater fractal. Please stop trying to make a big deal of a stupid thing, just trying to find the opportunity to complain about a class when it is taking kitten for being underwhelming is just trying too hard to join the crowd. For all those who say energy cost should be removed from weapons,it would be so broken in pvp/wvw, u would be complaining about hammer revs with 25might(glint + might face + fury face+ rune of strength + trait that gives u 2might/fury gain) spamming their skills because of no energy cost (eg. hammer 2 (uses only 5 has 4 sec cd, does 5-10k in pvp in zerkers) and if you say that energy cost wont make a difference, the uptime of rev skills like glint/ventari/shiro will be insane, imagine a rev with 50 energy in shiro = 10 sec of quickness(probably even longer from glint natural boon duration) on top of him spamming all his weapon skills because we need to kittening buff it by removing energy cost. Ok next for those complaining about utilities, having 2 set of fixed utilities is not great and it certainly has a playstyle for each legendary WHICH IS EXACTLY THE POINT, rev is about playing to a playstyle while in a legend, eg. shiro use for disengage/aggression , glint. utility / burst , on top of that u get 2 sets of heals, elites and utility, IT IS A TRADEOFF for having 1 chosen set of utility, it isnt weaker as many people think, shiro dodge is a stunbreak condicleanse with no cd(technically 3.5s cd) but imagine if weapon skills didnt have energy cost, people would be spamming dodges for days and still do damage (haha good thing thats not the case haha). So all in all, renegade isnt great, but all the negativity about rev is honestly uncalled for, sure hammer 2 glitches into terrain sometimes and i CaNT uSE x LeGEnd UNdErwATeR, it is really not that big of a deal, stop trying to join the crowd please..

Your premise is right, but given the fact that weaver just got 40+ new skills (including underwater) and most of the other new elite specs also work underwater (Scourge was patched in the latest update), the fact that the Revenant can only use 2/6 legends (so 2/6 sets of utility skills) is giving the idea that the class has been abandoned by the dev team for some reason.

We don’t really care about underwater combat itself, but it’s a matter of principle. How comes every other elite spec works? How comes that Ele and Guardian got 20-40 new skills that work underwater and have AMAZING animations (while we got dancing puppets)?

2 years of updates on Revenant were mostly nerfs instead of additions that were needed.

Kidel.2057:

Your premise is right, but given the fact that weaver just got 40+ new skills (including underwater) and most of the other new elite specs also work underwater (Scourge was patched in the latest update), the fact that the Revenant can only use 2/6 legends (so 2/6 sets of utility skills) is giving the idea that the class has been abandoned by the dev team for some reason.

We don’t really care about underwater combat itself, but it’s a matter of principle. How comes every other elite spec works? How comes that Ele and Guardian got 20-40 new skills that work underwater and have AMAZING animations (while we got dancing puppets)?

2 years of updates on Revenant were mostly nerfs instead of additions that were needed.

as power rev main, i still play it now in wvw and its still strong and viable , those nerf were to tone down rev power , it is now balanced not underpowered as you are thinking , it is balanced, it was overpowered, staff 5, sword 2 was doing insane damage it was so hard to counter it consistently .

as for comparison to other class, yes sadly renegade is bad not going to lie and juxtaposition between renegade and other elites makes it look worse, but if people would just take more time in buildcraft for rev, eg. you dont necessarily need shortbow or to use the new legend to make a good build, as with all elite specs, it is ment to fill niche you dont have to use all the new stuff you get

I do enjoy power Rev too, please don’t misunderstand. It’s the class I like the most. I was simply replying about underwater skills and Renegade.

Also what’s the reason for not having underwater Glint? There is just 1 ground targeted skill, all the others are fine already and could be used underwater with no modifications, just a permission change.

Underwater revenant needs to be fixed. Nothing bothers me more on the revenant than going in the water, and being stuck with shiro mallyx…. I miss glint, and jalis, and ventari and now renegade… How can 2/3 of the profession’s utility skills not work underwater? That number seems way too high for me to be satisfied with the revenant.

I guess scoring a 33% seems satisfactory to the people who design revenant. They should discount all products on the gem store by 2/3, and we can pay 33% for their products. So the input matches the output. ;P

But seriously, I really wish they would finish the base profession. Give us Glint (make it cast on target or on the revenant), then Jalis (create area around revenant), then Renegade (target to summon on enemies or cast on self, depending on skill)

Not to mention Revenant is the only class that can’t use the MISTfire Wolf.
Funny enough, but I can understand why.

And what is your excuse for complaining about it? Because in that 15m you are in fractals that u cant use glint , it keeps you up at night till the break of dawn? Going to say it again, not that big of a deal, i main rev and i got to used to it a long time ago, everyone talking kitten about it only recently noticed it cause rev is getting alot of hate, This just needs to stop

I main rev too, but underwater rev just makes me feel like the class is always incomplete and abandoned. All those blank skills just feel like a lazy lack of polish

gordonlsj.4391:

And what is your excuse for complaining about it? Because in that 15m you are in fractals that u cant use glint , it keeps you up at night till the break of dawn? Going to say it again, not that big of a deal, i main rev and i got to used to it a long time ago, everyone talking kitten about it only recently noticed it cause rev is getting alot of hate, This just needs to stop

Just because it is an old part of the game and underwater combat isn’t really being made anymore isn’t an excuse to not develop the revs underwater skills. Underwater combat is still part of the game. It’s just unfinished and why not finish it if all these new specializations are able to use it. It would be like not letting the rev use core skills, instead it had to go herald. And then the reasoning would be something like “well core classes aren’t really being used or worked on much anymore so we figured to not even worry about balancing it or making it work since everyone will be using glint anyway.” And now I’m realizing this was probably the reasoning behind the current revs state….

gordonlsj.4391:

So all in all, renegade isnt great, but all the negativity about rev is honestly uncalled for, sure hammer 2 glitches into terrain sometimes and i CaNT uSE x LeGEnd UNdErwATeR, it is really not that big of a deal, stop trying to join the crowd please..

Dude, aside from playing the demo myself I was watching some streaming.

No one was playing the Renegade in PvP/WvW. No one. Not the casters, not the other players in their teams, not the foes. And the straw poll in reddit put the Renegade in last position for something. I’ve been watching players like Phantaram and Sindrener extracting some ok builds from their Weaver and Deadeye, some decent builds from Scourges… I didn’t saw a single valuable lesson with our spec.

Buran.3796:

gordonlsj.4391:

So all in all, renegade isnt great, but all the negativity about rev is honestly uncalled for, sure hammer 2 glitches into terrain sometimes and i CaNT uSE x LeGEnd UNdErwATeR, it is really not that big of a deal, stop trying to join the crowd please..

Dude, aside from playing the demo myself I was watching some streaming.

No one was playing the Renegade in PvP/WvW. No one. Not the casters, not the other players in their teams, not the foes. And the straw poll in reddit put the Renegade in last position for something. I’ve been watching players like Phantaram and Sindrener extracting some ok builds from their Weaver and Deadeye, some decent builds from Scourges… I didn’t saw a single valuable lesson with our spec.

All i can say is people should keep an open mind about renegade, many just like to jump in the crowd; push the majority opinion; trying to sound smart by jumping on the same argument over and over again, so sick of hearing that especially how rev is not as bad as everyone put it out to be; be it renegade or HoT builds

gordonlsj.4391:

All i can say is people should keep an open mind about renegade, many just like to jump in the crowd; push the majority opinion; trying to sound smart by jumping on the same argument over and over again, so sick of hearing that especially how rev is not as bad as everyone put it out to be; be it renegade or HoT builds

I’m seing Wooden Potatoes trying the class at this very moment. He was put in downed state a couple of times playing vs the bots in the PvP hall.

Edit: He just switched to Necro.

ScottBroChill.3254:

gordonlsj.4391:

And what is your excuse for complaining about it? Because in that 15m you are in fractals that u cant use glint , it keeps you up at night till the break of dawn? Going to say it again, not that big of a deal, i main rev and i got to used to it a long time ago, everyone talking kitten about it only recently noticed it cause rev is getting alot of hate, This just needs to stop

Just because it is an old part of the game and underwater combat isn’t really being made anymore isn’t an excuse to not develop the revs underwater skills. Underwater combat is still part of the game. It’s just unfinished and why not finish it if all these new specializations are able to use it. It would be like not letting the rev use core skills, instead it had to go herald. And then the reasoning would be something like “well core classes aren’t really being used or worked on much anymore so we figured to not even worry about balancing it or making it work since everyone will be using glint anyway.” And now I’m realizing this was probably the reasoning behind the current revs state….

Please elaborate on how underwater combat has affected YOU, i have heard what you said by a thousand other people claiming the same thing, but does it actually affect you? or are you just trying to find something to pounce on by joining the majority cause everyone says so, Please tell me how many seconds u spent underwater, then tell how much time you spent on rev underwater, seeing as how so many people are complaining and that they quit rev, i highly doubt u guys even spent a single minute underwater, your complaints sound as though you are going to quit if they dont fixed it, yet you probably dont even play the class, just stop with all the hate;stop the bandwagoning on revenant, Yes Renegade is not good especially when compared to other elites which are so flashy or get tons of skill but i see everyone attacking the fact the Revenant itself is not a good class which is stupid because i play it for 400h and i can say it is a Tier 1 Class in pve/pvp/wvw

I have 3 level 80 revs, all with 100% map complete, with more than 1800 hours total time with them. Underwater skills are just abandoned by devs for this profession. I don’t know if you are playing WvW, but there you must sometimes fight underwater. Even on the new map presented in beta weekend I had to fight underwater to complete event. OP, stop telling everybody that underwater skills are not used, please. If other professions have the possibility to use new spec underwater, than underwater fight is not abandoned. Just for revenant it’s probably taboo.

you cant even use the new renegade skills in shallow water, the game thinks you are underwater and wont let you.

and now i find out in this post ele get 40 new water skills?
as kidel said it is a matter of principle.

no kittening way am i buying the expansion now.

hypehype.9047:

you cant even use the new renegade skills in shallow water, the game thinks you are underwater and wont let you.

and now i find out in this post ele get 40 new water skills?
as kidel said it is a matter of principle.

no kittening way am i buying the expansion now.

I’m getting the expansion anyway since I’ll be using Herald in the Crystal Desert. That’s not the point.

The point is that people should stop justifying the complete absence of an underwater elite spec for Revenant (or simply the absence of half the core profession) saying that there is no underwater, when Elementalist got 40+ skills (ALSO underwater) and Guardian got around 25+ skills (ALSO underwater), and we still can’t get 5, lol.

And I’m still waiting for a reason why Glint and Jalis are not allowed underwater by default, since they basically have no ground-targeted skills, and Mallyx (with a ground targeted skill) and Facet of Nature work fine underwater.

I only have three complaints about Revenant.

1. Our Cleanse/Heal set of utilities is tied to a clunky tablet to use. This has lead to most Revenants transitioning towards the use of Mallyx in competitive settings (PvP and WvW) because the Tablet just isn’t usable there realistically as well as the fact the meta has largely transitioned towards heavy condition usage. However with them also now focusing quite hard on boonstripping it in turn means we effectively have no functional way to handle conditions because Resistance gets stripped pretty quickly.

2. Revenant was designed around having to manage our energy. Adding skills with cast times, energy cost and lengthy cool downs goes against the way the Revenant was originally designed. It’s not even a “new” way to play because it has all the same downsides as the “old” way to play (energy costs) and all the downsides of another way to play (cool downs). By all means give us cast times and cool downs, but then remove the energy costs or keep the energy costs and remove either the cast times or cool downs.

3. For the love of God and all that is holy please fix the environmental issues with our weapons. Adding in a bunch more weapon skills that get messed up by terrain is just frustrating when the last batch haven’t even been fixed :/

The underwater stuff isn’t a big deal to me as if you’re a condi player you got Mallyx and if you’re not there’s Shiro. Ideally they should add others, but it’s such a minor thing I don’t really care. I just see it as them being lazy cause there’s really no good reason for the other legends to not work under water.

gordonlsj.4391:

ScottBroChill.3254:

gordonlsj.4391:

And what is your excuse for complaining about it? Because in that 15m you are in fractals that u cant use glint , it keeps you up at night till the break of dawn? Going to say it again, not that big of a deal, i main rev and i got to used to it a long time ago, everyone talking kitten about it only recently noticed it cause rev is getting alot of hate, This just needs to stop

Just because it is an old part of the game and underwater combat isn’t really being made anymore isn’t an excuse to not develop the revs underwater skills. Underwater combat is still part of the game. It’s just unfinished and why not finish it if all these new specializations are able to use it. It would be like not letting the rev use core skills, instead it had to go herald. And then the reasoning would be something like “well core classes aren’t really being used or worked on much anymore so we figured to not even worry about balancing it or making it work since everyone will be using glint anyway.” And now I’m realizing this was probably the reasoning behind the current revs state….

Please elaborate on how underwater combat has affected YOU, i have heard what you said by a thousand other people claiming the same thing, but does it actually affect you? or are you just trying to find something to pounce on by joining the majority cause everyone says so, Please tell me how many seconds u spent underwater, then tell how much time you spent on rev underwater, seeing as how so many people are complaining and that they quit rev, i highly doubt u guys even spent a single minute underwater, your complaints sound as though you are going to quit if they dont fixed it, yet you probably dont even play the class, just stop with all the hate;stop the bandwagoning on revenant, Yes Renegade is not good especially when compared to other elites which are so flashy or get tons of skill but i see everyone attacking the fact the Revenant itself is not a good class which is stupid because i play it for 400h and i can say it is a Tier 1 Class in pve/pvp/wvw

First off, Rev has had my most playtime in the last year and a half. Second, dude just because water combat isn’t in much of the game I still want a finished class for christ’s sake. Third, have you played any other classes? Probably not because there is a discrepancy between you and every other rev player in terms of perception of perceived usefulness of the profession. None of us are bandwagon people, you just happened to be that one person who really wants to go against the grain. You have been saying in your posts that the Revenant is not good compared to other classes, but that we should all stop complaining about it, that you use Revenant and even though it’s not as good as the other classes that it’s still top tier? This is not a good argument, fam. It’s hypocritical as eff, dude.

As we said in another thread, some skills are ground targeted, but:

Road (Inspiring Reinforcement) could just be pulsing stability around the casting point, no big deal.
For Glint, Elemental Blast is the only ground targeted one, and could simply be auto targeted at an enemy in range.

I don’t see why they can’t adapt 2, TWO, skills for the Revenant when they made more than 40 for the Weaver.

The class still needs to be completed after 2 years.