Ventari- Problems: My opinion

Ventari- Problems: My opinion

in Revenant

Posted by: wombatpanda.8165

wombatpanda.8165

In my opinion the Ventari has a lot of problems that needs to be fixed if anet really want someone to use this stance.

1. PvE: I didnt test it in PvE but since Gw2 is designed around the dodge mechanic and PvE is about bursting bosses down and dodge the main incomming dmg it isnt needed here anyway. Since it doesnt give any buffs if you really want someone to do a bit of healing then a guard can do it 100 times better while also giving needed buffs.

2. Player vs Player
I didnt went into spvp with it i tried it in WvW enviroment…Zergs, solo roaming/duels, group pvp.
Problems of Ventari are simple i want to make it as short as possible to avoid a massive wall of text
Gameplay in PvP is fast. Ventari stance needs 2 seconds to get tablet out and start doing stuff. And if you want to do a real heal you need another 2 seconds. No going to work in any PvP enviroment.
Condi cleanse the same. Needs 2 sec to get tablet out after switching to it. Condis need to be cleansed instantly in gamemodes where a singel immob can get you killed.
The elite is ok but takes too much energie and random generated healpacks are never good because of randomness (but thats not main problem with ventari anyways)
The Protective solance that destroys projectiles is ok but takes way too much energie to make it last a few sec and other classes can destroy and even reflect projectiles so its nothing a ventari rev is needed for.
Problem with the tablet itslef is the movement. Its too clunky to few range and the CD is too long and movement to slow.
You can properly use it in a fast game situation not to mention that the movement itself cost way too much energie and it heals almost noone around you need to hit the players completely ..sometimes the weapon of the guy i pushed it to was touching it still he got no healing from the movement.
What leads to the problem that all ventari skills range is way too low when you keep in mind that you have to move the tablet yourself, with a long CD, with even using energie for it and having a very small range to move it around.
Enemies can push you with simpel knochbacks like hammer 4 of warr out of it, yes it would be counterplay but since the ventari is not useful in anyway it shouldnt be so easy to make him completely useless
Energie is also too low since weapon attacks also cost them….or ventari skills cost too much.
Heals seem not too strong aswell since staff has almsot same healing as ventaris biggest heal and has less energie cost and bigger range
Ventari gives no buffs which seems kinda useless aswell since every class in gw2 can stack boons like crazy and he cant even give 1 singel boon.
Summary: In this stage noone will ever play ventari WvW, PvP ever(and i dont see this stance made for PvE since the game isnt made for healing in PvE . Would make no sense whatsoever)

Ideas for useful ventari( at least imo)

- Get rid of the tablet and make the revenant itself the tablet as soon as he switches into ventari. He would be usefull as sson as he gets into the stance like all other Rev stances
If tablet needs to be in the game(i doubt that with tablet it will ever be played in PvP/WvW) at least make a new mechanic. No CD on movement, bigger range (remove healing on hitting allied palyers with it when removing movement CD)

If the tablet is only there to make it “more action based” you could also just make the ventari abilities ground targeted that way you still have to aim it would take skill and in a team coordiantion to get the most of it. This would be the best option imo.
The projectile protection can revolve around the rev in a case without tablet and maybe give it protection buff aswell? Since ventari is giving no boons whatsoever seems kind of underpowered compared to every other class since everyone can stack boons like crazy or give ventari stance itself trait for passiv reg or something.

-Get a bigger range for healing and condi remove-healing from ventari. It doesnt need to be a 1200 range. just give him 600 or a bit less.

-Less energie cost/higher heals for ventari. Since it is only for healing make the ventari skills less costly and/or heal for more(no dmg output whatsoever)
If you want a stance only for healing make it count and let him heal more then just 4k very now and then which is nothing compared to what other classes easily can put out as dmg(or as heal like heal guard with way more viable options and boons). Also keep in mind someone with ventari will need to go cleric to make the ventari stance useful but still he has to switch stance from time to time. Other stances wont allow heal beside weapon heal abilties so make the time he CAN use heals in ventari count for burst heals maybe remove casttime on Natural harmonie after swichting into Ventari stance( or make it as a trait that after switch to ventari instant cast 1 ability) to make it more interresting and give him the bility to burst heal.

-Remove energie costs for Weapon abilities(at least for ventari since he cant deal much dmg anyway)
-Rework Elite, Less energie or instant cast or something entierly different its really weak compared to other elite rev forms.

- like i mentioned Ventari useres need to go for healpower to be usefull maybe offer traits to make stance switch faster since other stances dont offer heals.(Or like a trait" when struck chance to reset Ventari cooldown or something like that) Just an idea not really needed just something i thought could help make it more viable

This are just my ideas on Ventari. I hope they change a lot otherwise i dont see a place for it since other players stated you dont see anyone with this stance and i havent seen anyone either. If no drastic changes are made i dont see a point in bothering with it anymore and should just get rid of it.

Ventari- Problems: My opinion

in Revenant

Posted by: lokimut.6475

lokimut.6475

I played a Ventari+Glint support revenant with cleric equipment in WvW and PvP and I dont want any changes. Herald and Ventari have a great synergy.
The Tablet can provide endless protection with Facet of Nature and Bolster Fortificatons.
And the tablet movement is just l2p. My main class is engineer with med kit + mortar and I have no problem to throw medkits and elixir shells on allys.

Ventari- Problems: My opinion

in Revenant

Posted by: wombatpanda.8165

wombatpanda.8165

I think you missed the point.
Endless protection only for the ones you hit. That wont happen in sPVP or at least is very unlikely that you hit more then 1 or even 1 players for protection. If you mean for a massive zerg in wvw? yes you might hit enough there but its not needed there anyway enough protection from klasses that can burst them out even better and aoe and better range and easier(looking at tempest ele here for example) besides that still no boons from the stance itself.
And i dont complain about the movement of the tablet i complain about the way they designed it. Against good palyers (ourside of 100 man zergs) you need to move it very very fast and often because fights are very mobile. It has a way too long CD and the energie cost for it are way too high while range for the heal is way too low just everything bout it is not worth it.
Great synergy is a revenant with facet of nature and a guardian
Great synergie is a reaper that buffs himself and with a trait therfore also heal itself
…Ventari and glint are hardly synergising at all.