Guild Wars 2

ANet this is your first new class in over 3 years and you’ve made it virtually useless in PvP.

We have no on demand condi cleanse aside from dwarf kings heal….but really…..it’s a bad legend when you compare it to Shiro, Glint, and Demon.

Shiro-

Riposting Shadows: Should remove a damaging condition or 2 in addition to it’s move impairing removal.

Nefarious Momentum: Whenever you use an assassin skill, remove a condition. (Honestly I feel like we have enough might access with Glint)

Glint-

Make the heal on it’s first activate pulse “Resistance” not “Regen”

Problem solved. We have some condi removal/resistance. As it is right now we can’t WvW or SPvP because all it takes is a single condi build and we are useless. Heck, when I play my Guard or Condi Thief (Ya….I know…it’s just for fun). I look for the Rev’s and just pick on them the whole match lol.

So then you are nearly unkillable? Sure.

Nieguen.6235:

So then you are nearly unkillable? Sure.

This. Give me a finger and i want your arm, classic.
Revenant is designed to be weak to condi. If you play it right it’s not a real problem, and it is going to be less when mallyx get some changes. If you can’t play with condi weakness try another class, like engineer, guardian or warrior.

gannondorf.7628:

Nieguen.6235:

So then you are nearly unkillable? Sure.

This. Give me a finger and i want your arm, classic.
Revenant is designed to be weak to condi. If you play it right it’s not a real problem, and it is going to be less when mallyx get some changes. If you can’t play with condi weakness try another class, like engineer, guardian or warrior.

Maybe if you explained what is " right " in your post, it would hold more creditability instead of saying go and reroll another class. Because the way you put it hold nothing good in discussion.

Fact is many people are struggling in PVP with revenant against similarly skilled people with condi builds .

I didn’t played enough of pvp yet to know if revenant have place in high level pvp play or not. The condition weakness while it might be weakness of class might decide if revenant will see high level play or not.

I am not commenting on pvp balance yet because I didn’t played enough but from what I seen is people asking for more condi cleanse or for guide on how to deal with it and people like you just say " reroll " which doesn’t give much confidence in class at all.

So what you’re saying is we just need more Engi’s, Warriors and Guard’s…..because we havent already seen a HUGE spike in the number of those….

Why don’t we just delete all other classes and leave those 3…..by your example everyone should just reroll those 3…because they’re just supposed to be better…..

Riel.2160:

gannondorf.7628:

Nieguen.6235:

So then you are nearly unkillable? Sure.

This. Give me a finger and i want your arm, classic.
Revenant is designed to be weak to condi. If you play it right it’s not a real problem, and it is going to be less when mallyx get some changes. If you can’t play with condi weakness try another class, like engineer, guardian or warrior.

Maybe if you explained what is " right " in your post, it would hold more creditability instead of saying go and reroll another class. Because the way you put it hold nothing good in discussion.

Fact is many people are struggling in PVP with revenant against similarly skilled people with condi builds .

I didn’t played enough of pvp yet to know if revenant have place in high level pvp play or not. The condition weakness while it might be weakness of class might decide if revenant will see high level play or not.

I am not commenting on pvp balance yet because I didn’t played enough but from what I seen is people asking for more condi cleanse or for guide on how to deal with it and people like you just say " reroll " which doesn’t give much confidence in class at all.

I think what he means by “right” is in terms of timing things. Instead of “oh I have some burning and bleeding going on, better use all my resistance” it should be “oh I have some burning and bleeding going on, I will use crystal hibernation and wait it out” and then use resistance for large spikes, resort to heal as last resort.

Full disclosure, I am currently running demon/glint full condi and loving the hell out of it. Been playing for it for 6 days now and honestly, I feel OP at times, but when I look at forums I am totally surprised at all the salty tears.

Back to the topic at hand, using infuse light and crystal hibernation at the appropriate time is by itself very powerful against all damage, even conditions. So while you don’t have a lot of straight up removal, there is a ton of mitigation instead. Now looking at mallyx with demonic defiance spec’d, there is a wealth of more mitigation. As well as quite a substantial heal if you use it when you are suffering from many conditions as well.

As much as I hate to say “l2p”, I think the majority of the issues are that the options available aren’t being properly used by those who complain about it. I have 2v1 against an engy and mesmer in spvp and came out on top multiple times. This obviously doesn’t mean much to anyone on here but from what I can tell I don’t have a ton of issues in dealing with conditions. I can negate them long enough until I have a heal available, even in large engagements.

Not a chance they add condition removal to Shiro. That’s the sacrifice you make to use him.

I think it would be fair to add more options of condi cleanse to Revenant.

It would be highly unlikely to mesh well with a Shiro/Glint build though.

I’m a fan of giving people choices. But I’m also a fan of making builds have tradeoffs. I disagree with the idea of all Revenant builds being inherently weak against conditions. However, Shiro/Glint is really just fine the way it is, and needs to have at least one exploitable weakness.

When Mallyx and Jalis are getting some work there are not going to be condi removal problems coz these two legends, who are underpowered for now, have good deal against condition. Power build (Shiro/Glint) have actually condi weakness yes (even if the nerf of facet of light hit hard). And i think it’s fair. Even like that you already have some sustain and with good timing you can hold conditions a bit (i’m not talking about 5 stacks of burning but that’s the same for everyone).

Heaven forbid a class have a weakness.

Agriope.4523:

Heaven forbid a class have a weakness.

Don’t think, that class. with 2 playable stances is divinity. Yeah, demon stance not bad now, but still less useful, than shiro or herald.
Situation like with engj – too much abilities, gadgets, but biggest part of them is useless then other…

Shiro/Glint is fine. Jalis could use some tools tho. If Rite was an upkeep ability..

my response to your title..

YOU NEED A WEAKNESS!!!

The thing is that we are not weak to condi. Only on Power build, the only one that is viable now (Shiro/Glint). When Jalis and Mallyx got an overhaul it’s gonna to be better. Jalis has actually good tools to manage condi (rotgd, vengefull hammer, heal) and Mallyx (resistance,heal). When they are gonna to be viable there is not going to have condi weakness.

Burtnik.5218:

Shiro/Glint is fine. Jalis could use some tools tho. If Rite was an upkeep ability..

I actually really do like that idea. Would definitely make Jalis more viable as a secondary for Shiro, though Jalis would still be much weaker then glint in most respects.

Try to play dwarf.
If you CAN heal yourself and get roots, just stay with no ability run away. Ult with 1.25 second cast too often dazed and we lost 50 energy! Don’t get dwarf for this problems. Cos 5 sec not so good when you can stay into the roots with no ability dodge or run away…
Demon steel weak to burst and control, but much useful then dwarf. But useless for team and his dmg too horrible (why we should take clean condition tank with 0 dmg, only weak conditions?). Pulsating Pestilence is broken.
Ventari useless with their energy costs.

They just need to make Mallyx better at it. The whole point of that soul is to punish condi classes when there is one around and it doesn’t do it well atm.

Luclinraider.2317:

Glint-

Make the heal on it’s first activate pulse “Resistance” not “Regen”

This is sheer genius!

Main rev problems – class to bugged. May be he great, but no one understand this with half broken abilities…

No need up herald, other stances should be available too…

Rev was supposed to be counter to conditions. But it is not working at the moment.

Kurendess.9210:

Riel.2160:

gannondorf.7628:

Nieguen.6235:

So then you are nearly unkillable? Sure.

This. Give me a finger and i want your arm, classic.
Revenant is designed to be weak to condi. If you play it right it’s not a real problem, and it is going to be less when mallyx get some changes. If you can’t play with condi weakness try another class, like engineer, guardian or warrior.

Maybe if you explained what is " right " in your post, it would hold more creditability instead of saying go and reroll another class. Because the way you put it hold nothing good in discussion.

Fact is many people are struggling in PVP with revenant against similarly skilled people with condi builds .

I didn’t played enough of pvp yet to know if revenant have place in high level pvp play or not. The condition weakness while it might be weakness of class might decide if revenant will see high level play or not.

I am not commenting on pvp balance yet because I didn’t played enough but from what I seen is people asking for more condi cleanse or for guide on how to deal with it and people like you just say " reroll " which doesn’t give much confidence in class at all.

I think what he means by “right” is in terms of timing things. Instead of “oh I have some burning and bleeding going on, better use all my resistance” it should be “oh I have some burning and bleeding going on, I will use crystal hibernation and wait it out” and then use resistance for large spikes, resort to heal as last resort.

Full disclosure, I am currently running demon/glint full condi and loving the hell out of it. Been playing for it for 6 days now and honestly, I feel OP at times, but when I look at forums I am totally surprised at all the salty tears.

Back to the topic at hand, using infuse light and crystal hibernation at the appropriate time is by itself very powerful against all damage, even conditions. So while you don’t have a lot of straight up removal, there is a ton of mitigation instead. Now looking at mallyx with demonic defiance spec’d, there is a wealth of more mitigation. As well as quite a substantial heal if you use it when you are suffering from many conditions as well.

As much as I hate to say “l2p”, I think the majority of the issues are that the options available aren’t being properly used by those who complain about it. I have 2v1 against an engy and mesmer in spvp and came out on top multiple times. This obviously doesn’t mean much to anyone on here but from what I can tell I don’t have a ton of issues in dealing with conditions. I can negate them long enough until I have a heal available, even in large engagements.

So which build and gear?:) I went for classic bunker groupbuff build.

Please, o great guru, tell me how to play ventari and dwarf, don’t using herald/shiro.
Tell me how to heal under the focus and have so big survivability like a herald + demon with dwarf tree!
If you found only 1 of 3 playable build, its not meaning ,that rev too god with only dmg tree(all working build are herald/shiro, sometimes demon with all his bugs).
It’s funny, but ventari can live only with +1200 vit and +900 toughness amulet, and still too weak then others stances

Run Malyxx and the corruption trait line…Condis do nothing to you….
L2 make a build

Star.8401:

Run Malyxx and the corruption trait line…Condis do nothing to you….
L2 make a build

And then someone strip your boons..Ops

Kirk.3086:

Please, o great guru, tell me how to play ventari and dwarf, don’t using herald/shiro.
Tell me how to heal under the focus and have so big survivability like a herald + demon with dwarf tree!
If you found only 1 of 3 playable build, its not meaning ,that rev too god with only dmg tree(all working build are herald/shiro, sometimes demon with all his bugs).
It’s funny, but ventari can live only with +1200 vit and +900 toughness amulet, and still too weak then others stances

By getting buffs in thoses legends. I know i don’t know why it’s going to happen, but they can leave us like that, stuck in an only power build. Ventari is okay, but need some improvements like a water field instead of light. But Jalis and Mallyx are terrible. It’s sad.

For my opinion – mallex good, but need some buffs (stunbreak, bigger dmg, bugs clean ).
Ventari is horrible. Can’t heal himself, no survivability, no conditions remove (good remove), low radiuses, too huge energy costs.
Dwarf is horrible too.
Now play demon + shiro. Good build. Demon + ventari not bad too, but no healf regen, so no survivabilirt

Burtnik.5218:

Star.8401:

Run Malyxx and the corruption trait line…Condis do nothing to you….
L2 make a build

And then someone strip your boons..Ops

I generally don’t run into too much trouble with boon removal unless it’s continual boon removal. E.g. sword mesmer, s/d thief, and some necros. If they remove resistance from you once, you can just reapply. It’s just when they can keep doing it that it becomes too costly to keep reapplying it.

One related thing I have seen people do in gameplay videos that often results in eventual death is to use Pain Absorption in Mallyx to get resistance while they have a bunch of condis, and then immediately switch to their other legend. If their resistance gets removed at this point, they are very vulnerable and can’t protect themselves from all of the conditions they have. I like to stay in Mallyx until my condis are reduced or completely gone, even if I have resistance, just in case my opponent can remove my boons.

Pls move this to the mesmer forums lol.

At the good hands mesmers too good. Much mobility allow them run away, but yeah, it’s one of the mesmers problem (and resolve with much illusions and invisible with huge mobility).
Fight against much mesmers, they are hard opponents.

In my build, I use the trait Cleansing Channel together with weapon sigils Sigil of Cleansing and Sigil of Purity. Since my playstyle is all about dumping all energy within 10 seconds and changing legend, I rinse 3 condis every 10 seconds. I think that this is sufficient.

Any comments?

Youkay.5294:

In my build, I use the trait Cleansing Channel together with weapon sigils Sigil of Cleansing and Sigil of Purity. Since my playstyle is all about dumping all energy within 10 seconds and changing legend, I rinse 3 condis every 10 seconds. I think that this is sufficient.

Any comments?

How against new necro with permochiling and mesmers with condies?=)
And sigils has chense of trigger, some only at crits.

Kirk.3086:

Youkay.5294:

In my build, I use the trait Cleansing Channel together with weapon sigils Sigil of Cleansing and Sigil of Purity. Since my playstyle is all about dumping all energy within 10 seconds and changing legend, I rinse 3 condis every 10 seconds. I think that this is sufficient.

Any comments?

How against new necro with permochiling and mesmers with condies?=)
And sigils has chense of trigger, some only at crits.

Sigils triggering on crits is not an issue at all for Revenants since we usually have around a 90% crit chance. We get 40% crit chance from fury and we can keep fury up pretty reliably.

I agree that we’re weaker against conditions than other classes, but I think that’s important since we have lots of heals and invuln frames. Besides, it’s not like we have NO condi removal.

In my playable tanky build i have 4% on crit.
If i play like a sup healer, i have 4% again (and it dps too). I don’t understand you magick T_T.
Problem, that others build except dps is unplayable much time…

Kirk.3086:

Youkay.5294:

In my build, I use the trait Cleansing Channel together with weapon sigils Sigil of Cleansing and Sigil of Purity. Since my playstyle is all about dumping all energy within 10 seconds and changing legend, I rinse 3 condis every 10 seconds. I think that this is sufficient.

Any comments?

How against new necro with permochiling and mesmers with condies?=)
And sigils has chense of trigger, some only at crits.

Among the sigils I have listed, only Sigil of Purity has a condi removal on hit (60% chance), which is less than every second hit. I find it reliable.

I don’t think that we can expect a perma condi removal class against a perma condi application class. If I was able to perma remove condi while also being good in other aspects of the game, I would say that this was OP. All we can expect is an acceptable degree of condi removal when focusing on other aspects, such as dps, buffs or evasion.

In my build, for instance, I could add Jalis (3 condi removal heal at 30 s CD) and the trait Versed in Stone to reduce condi dmg by 50% when Rite of the Great Dwarf is triggered. But that wouldn’t be the focus that I want.

How about we compare my build, that is very good in buffing and dps (Glint and Shiro) with other classes, that are good at dps? A meditation guardian is quite good at condi cleanse while also being good at dishing out dmg and being sustainable. He has Contemplation of Purity at 48s CD (with Monk’s Focus), Purging Flames at 35s CD (cure 3 conditions), and Smite Conditions on 16s CD (+1 trigger on heal with Smiter’s Boon trait on 30 s CD). Also, with Absolute Resolution trait, he would cure 3 coditions on 43s CD.

That is up to 12 condi cleanses in the first 30 seconds of a fight. Maybe even a bit more with good timing and under good conditions. Then the efficiency would vain due to variant CD durations.

My Revenant has 3 condi cleanses in 10 seconds, always. In 30 seconds, that’s 9. And over time, this condi removal efficiency is constant. And on top, there is Riposting Shadows for non-damaging conditions. I think that is very close in performance.

Also bear in mind that Meditation guardians like to use at least one utility that does not have condi removal or might want to prioritize another trait instead of a condi removal trait.

Additionally, my Revenant (using S/S) has access to a 2s evade, 2s block and a trait that helps restoring endurance so I can dodge (Vigorous Persistance). With these I can buy time, if there is a sudden condi unload on my character.

Regarding this example, I don’t think that we are in such bad a place. What do you think?

But all necrs play with zerker build with much conditions. And mesmers too.
And again, mesmers has no any other build against dps? So why others has, even thief can be support now with much dazes and control (like mesmer)…
It’s real problem. If look only dps build, only need to fix uch bugs and we get any new builds. But support ventari and tanky dwarf will be useless!

Kirk.3086:

But all necrs play with zerker build with much conditions. And mesmers too.
And again, mesmers has no any other build against dps? So why others has, even thief can be support now with much dazes and control (like mesmer)…
It’s real problem. If look only dps build, only need to fix uch bugs and we get any new builds. But support ventari and tanky dwarf will be useless!

Was that a response to my latest post?

Youkay.5294:

Kirk.3086:

But all necrs play with zerker build with much conditions. And mesmers too.
And again, mesmers has no any other build against dps? So why others has, even thief can be support now with much dazes and control (like mesmer)…
It’s real problem. If look only dps build, only need to fix uch bugs and we get any new builds. But support ventari and tanky dwarf will be useless!

Was that a response to my latest post?

Why rev has no other build, except dps. No sup, no healer, no tank. Only dps (with some gibruds)

Pulsing resistance? sure… that would probably be the most OP skill ever.

And it contered with 1 rune.
More sweet stories=)
But so funny eet such low skill players at pvp, that can’t kill demon even mesmer or necr (whom has no problem with this at normal build)=)

Kirk.3086:

Youkay.5294:

Kirk.3086:

But all necrs play with zerker build with much conditions. And mesmers too.
And again, mesmers has no any other build against dps? So why others has, even thief can be support now with much dazes and control (like mesmer)…
It’s real problem. If look only dps build, only need to fix uch bugs and we get any new builds. But support ventari and tanky dwarf will be useless!

Was that a response to my latest post?

Why rev has no other build, except dps. No sup, no healer, no tank. Only dps (with some gibruds)

I used my build as an example of a buffing dps revenant that has pretty good condition removal. If you want to play a revenant healer, you can. If you want to play a revenant tank, you can. It is all up to you. But no matter what you choose, you can also focus on condi cleanse using traits, utility or sigils.

I was hoping that you would spent more thought on my long post after I took the time giving you two comparative examples.

Again dps?
No other build except dps?=)
Give me playable build without dps.
Or i can write such post about how can thief play with weapons skills without ult and elit=)
Or some easy question – any playable build without shiro and herald…

Kirk.3086:

Again dps?
No other build except dps?=)
Give me playable build without dps.
Or i can write such post about how can thief play with weapons skills without ult and elit=)
Or some easy question – any playable build without shiro and herald…

Builds without DPS are very limited in value. Outside of a bunker in conquest, there’s very little use for one.

Kirk.3086:

Again dps?
No other build except dps?=)
Give me playable build without dps.
Or i can write such post about how can thief play with weapons skills without ult and elit=)
Or some easy question – any playable build without shiro and herald…

I already said that, if I geared my Shiro Glint Revenant to be Javis, Ventari, I would be far better at condi removal. You’ld known this, if you had spent some serious thought on what I wrote.

Vent and Jal have “ok” condi removal. I imagine you could create a pocket healer build with those 2 and the right stats. I think it is lacking in the general sense but a glass cannon should be a glass cannon. Right now Rev can hit like a truck and make the entire team do the same. I think the trade off is fine but some players do not get it.