Guild Wars 2

The problem with the (2?) people hating WS is that they think Roy/devs added it because of the community crying about it.

I honestly doubt that if Revenant had WS from the start they would have come to the forums to say “please remove WS so that Rev is like ele/engi, for simmetry”

If you put it this way, we can say that the mistake was really not having WS from the start.

However saying that Rev got WS for the QQ is not true. It’s simply a lie.
Please check this out at 5:15: https://youtu.be/5goa21iunTw?t=5m15s

Talking about weaponswap: “we were testing this internally but wasn’t ready”

Main reason was to make Revenant able to switch between ranged and melee.
Only legendswap can’t do it without forcing you to change range when swapping legend, but that’s bad. Legendswap is necessary to compensate for the lack of customization on utility/elite skills, you can’t tie range to that. It’s like forcing a melee revenant to have only 1 set of skills.
Also weaponswap on Revenant is pretty different from other classes, since it consumes energy. You can’t spam more skills like ele does.
Revenant is not stronger with WS, it’s jut QoL.

Making legend skills the same as weaponskills, and giving weaponskills utility/healing skills traits, you basically make a thief with rearranged skills, plus with no customization (since you’ll end up having legendswap=weaponswap and nothing similar to utility skill picking, as every other class can do, basically forced to pick from premade sets with 2 combinations instead of 4).

I feel it was both testing and feedback that lead to Rev getting WS but I may be wrong.
I do remeber ruby or Roy mentioning that there was heaps of feedback asking for it

Just watch the video I linked at 5:15.
Roy literally says that they had discussed it internally and were already giving Revenant weaponswap, it just wasn’t ready in time for the last beta.

Kidel.2057:

The problem with the (2?) people hating WS is that they think Roy/devs added it because of the community crying about it.

If you put it this way, we can say that the mistake was really not having WS from the start.

agreed

Kidel.2057:

Revenant is not stronger with WS, it’s jut QoL.

However, this statement is wrong. Revenant IS stronger with weapon swap. Although that’s not a bad thing, because based on feedback the revenant was weak in comparison to other classes.

You’re not getting more dps swapping weapon. Sword AA is our strongest attack

Kidel.2057:

You’re not getting more dps swapping weapon. Sword AA is our strongest attack

Utility is a strength.

I meant damage however.

With weapons tailored to specific legends, and being stuck with a single weapon but two legends, made the class feel less finished that it should have felt.

Quarktastic.1027:

With weapons tailored to specific legends, and being stuck with a single weapon but two legends, made the class feel less finished that it should have felt.

This pretty much summed it up. Revenant right now is a very packaged character. If you take Sword/Sword, you’re intended to also take the Shrio Legend and also intended to take the Shiro Line. Malyx isn’t even usable without Corruption for the Resistance on Demon utility use or it’s too much of a detriment even with the reduced durations.

Not having another weapon just wasn’t justified and it should be good now.

Kodiak.3281:

Quarktastic.1027:

With weapons tailored to specific legends,

This pretty much summed it up. Revenant right now is a very packaged character. If you take Sword/Sword, you’re intended to also take the Shrio Legend and also intended to take the Shiro Line.

Both of you have it wrong:
“By no means are weapons tied to a specific legend.”
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Misconception-Legends-Weapons/first#post5324362

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Kodiak.3281:

Quarktastic.1027:

With weapons tailored to specific legends,

This pretty much summed it up. Revenant right now is a very packaged character. If you take Sword/Sword, you’re intended to also take the Shrio Legend and also intended to take the Shiro Line.

Both of you have it wrong:
“By no means are weapons tied to a specific legend.”
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Misconception-Legends-Weapons/first#post5324362

It’s not required but synergy-wise it’s almost a necessity. I think you are just nitpicking semantics at this point.

Malchior.1928:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

Kodiak.3281:

Quarktastic.1027:

With weapons tailored to specific legends,

This pretty much summed it up. Revenant right now is a very packaged character. If you take Sword/Sword, you’re intended to also take the Shrio Legend and also intended to take the Shiro Line.

Both of you have it wrong:
“By no means are weapons tied to a specific legend.”
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/revenant/Misconception-Legends-Weapons/first#post5324362

It’s not required but synergy-wise it’s almost a necessity. I think you are just nitpicking semantics at this point.

O.o

I quoted Roy….. It’s his words, not mine. LOL! How is that nitpicking semantics? His point was pretty plain.

I’m not trying to offend xD While yes, weapons are not “tied” to specific legends, the synergy between them is so great that it leaves a lot to be desired when you legend swap to your second legend while only having a weapon set which synergies with the first one.

I do not agree. As I explained multiple times, original weapons combinations are better then supposed ones.

Hammer+Shiro and Hammer+Ventari are both better then Hammer+Jalis (come on, hammers rotating on close distance and taunt chain on a ranged weapon), while Staff+Jalis is the best tanking combination. Also Sword+Mallyx is under elite upkeep is the highest dps probably.

Malchior.1928:

I’m not trying to offend xD While yes, weapons are not “tied” to specific legends, the synergy between them is so great that it leaves a lot to be desired when you legend swap to your second legend while only having a weapon set which synergies with the first one.

Oh, I didn’t take offense m8. Sorry if I came off that way.

Regardless, I still don’t see where this synergy is so great though. The one exception I can see this is with Mallyx and Mace/Axe, but I always looked at Mallyx as a response to taking conditions, and not necessarily in giving them out. The idea behind him was that you get stronger the more condi’s you take, not get stronger the more condi’s you put out.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

I quoted Roy….. It’s his words, not mine. LOL! How is that nitpicking semantics? His point was pretty plain.

It’s pretty obvious there’s a packaged synergy there for each line. You’re nit picking semantics because when we’re pointing out those packaged combinations you’re saying it’s wrong because technically you don’t have to follow them. Which, okay, sure but that doesn’t mean they’re any less packaged even if you choose to be different.

We are actually saying that it’s better if you don’t follow them, the only exception being Mallyx+Mace and partially Shiro+Sword.

EDIT: what do you think is Jalis weapon? Hammer?

Kodiak.3281:

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

I quoted Roy….. It’s his words, not mine. LOL! How is that nitpicking semantics? His point was pretty plain.

It’s pretty obvious there’s a packaged synergy there for each line. You’re nit picking semantics because when we’re pointing out those packaged combinations you’re saying it’s wrong because technically you don’t have to follow them. Which, okay, sure but that doesn’t mean they’re any less packaged even if you choose to be different.

Please point out which ones are supposed to be packaged with synergy.

Kidel.2057:

I do not agree. As I explained multiple times, original weapons combinations are better then supposed ones.

Hammer+Shiro and Hammer+Ventari are both better then Hammer+Jalis (come on, hammers rotating on close distance and taunt chain on a ranged weapon), while Staff+Jalis is the best tanking combination. Also Sword+Mallyx is under elite upkeep is the highest dps probably.

So what happens if you were stuck without a weapon swap, and wanted to run a hybrid spec? You’d be able to swap legends, but not weapons, so you’d be stuck with a potentially undesirable weapon for one legend.

Edit: also, with only a legend swap, and limited utility skills, the revenant actually had fewer available skills than the engineer and elementalist, which it was supposed to emulate by not having a weapon swap.

Dude, I want weaponswap. I was just saying that it’s better now that is not tied to legendswap but independent