Guild Wars 2

I guess you should not read forums on (balance) patch day. everyone is complaining, only a very few people are actually talking some sense. I bet 80% of all the people complaining never actually tried a ventari healer. This won’t lead anywhere good.
Stay calm and try to stay positive, complaining only wont change anything. But I guess most people will stay the way they are, because that is the easy way.. If any of you guys care about revenant, have some ideas how to improve things or anything feel free to contact me ingame.
I haven’t tried ventari heal yet, because I was evaluating the other stances/specializations up until now. And therefore I can’t say anything about the changes, and I won’t until I’ve tried. I will summarize some stuff after 500+ hours of revenant play that came to my mind though, when I find the time.

Why would I want to play a Revenant healer? Might as well go play druid to heal effectively and reliably

I’ve just given Ventari a shot in a 1v1 duel vs Obindo (top 10 in leaderboard EU). I ran Rune of Monk and Magi’s amulet. Standard ventari traits. Obindo was playing power war.

It took him about 10 minutes to take me down. Granted, I didn’t deal any damage or pose any kind of threat. But it seems to be a decent bunker.

I did also try this out in unranked for a game or two, but it doesn’t seem to be very effective if you can’t communicate directly with your team to coordinate your heals and use them effectively.

I have a fully geared druid. I have no reason to play ventari. It’s clunky and awkward. It would have been nice to have more dps buffs.

People just read patch notes and get upset because the changes aren’t what they personally wanted for their play style, which is a fair argument. Especially when a class has very limited build variety.

The other thing is people jump to conclusions without giving the community time to figure out how the overall class changes will affect the entirety of the meta. The Ventari buffs aren’t going to appeal to must players, but there’s no reason to be negative about the them. They create build diversity. In the next week or so I think it’ll be interesting to see how two things carry out for rev:

1) how will the changes to Mesmer and Warrior affect group composition? Will we start to see power rev back into groups for the boons + boon duration? Theoretically, 1 PS warrior, 1 Mesmer, and 1 rev can probably supply 25 might, perm fury, high protection, and perm quickness. I haven’t run the numbers or tested this yet, but it’s possible. It’s also a good question to see if this will be the best option for group DPS. Alacrity may be a problem though

2) I’m really curious to see if ventari healer will become a viable, not necessarily optimal, pick for raids. A lot of people don’t like the clunky tablet; but I personally think the quality of life changes to the tablet are a huge fix to a lot of the clunkiness.

It’s also super important to remember that Glint is a support elite spec, they’re probably holding back on buffing damage right now to keep from having to adjust for a future damage specialization. Unless, you know, we get a reaper spec that’s supposed to be power damage and comes out as close to worthless. The one thing that is for certain though is that if rev doesn’t recover a spot in the meta this time around, it will almost most definitely get adjusted next patch cycle to make it viable.

Just be happy mirror comp is getting annihilated.

Madara.7435:

I bet 80% of all the people complaining never actually tried a ventari healer.

I haven’t tried ventari heal yet

why even comment then?

i think it is partly due to Anet’s approach to balancing,
if they released regular balance patches i don’t think people would QQ
because there is always next time,
but when you only get 3 balance patches a year,
first there is the hype buildup, plenty of potential awesome changes going through your head,
then it can be disappointing to see 4 months of balance “work” turn out to be mediocre changes,
and then there is the sting of knowing that it is all you’re getting for another 4 months.

i can see why people will be sour about not getting changes they’d like or changes that need to happen in the thrice-yearly balance patch.

Or it could actually be players like me who specifically bought HoT for the new class who were sold the class on…

“The revenant is a heavily armored warrior who augments devastating physical attacks with the mystical powers of legends from Tyrian history. Call upon these legends to change your heal, elite, and utility skills.”

I did not purchase HoT, and level up the Revenant to play a healer or a boon bot.

no biggy, ESO’s Morrowind is just around the corner and the Warden sounds like the class I was hoping the Rev would be.

To me, it seems almost all of the complaints come from a PvP/WvW perspective. Raids and Fractals, a little but not so much. Liewec also hit it on the nose. Personally, I find the complaints annoying but I’m a strict PvE player so unless the changes turn a class into putty for trash mobs I’m typically able to adapt and move on.

Aury: because he still has a point whether you want to believe it or not. If that’s the only response you can come up with then why did YOU comment?

Matt Stacey.7415:

Why would I want to play a Revenant healer? Might as well go play druid to heal effectively and reliably

WHy? I think Anet buffing it starts to give people a pretty compelling argument to do exactly that. If you’re rebuttal is just “play druid because the best”, then you really don’t care about what class you want to play or how you want to play it in the first place; that’s meta pushing.

People need to really set their expectations properly … Anet does not balance classes according to what makes a class best at something so if you’re expectation is that somehow, balancing is going to push whatever class into a ‘unique and desirable role’, it’s just unreasonable. It’s not about maintaining meta or anything like that. Just look at how hard the Mesmers are complaining about losing the uniqueness of alacrity … like that even affects their desire to play one in the first place.

Obtena.7952:

Matt Stacey.7415:

Why would I want to play a Revenant healer? Might as well go play druid to heal effectively and reliably

WHy? I think Anet buffing it starts to give people a pretty compelling argument to do exactly that. If you’re rebuttal is just “play druid because the best”, then you really don’t care about what class you want to play or how you want to play it in the first place; that’s meta pushing.

I completely disagree with you.

Not everyone rolled Rev’s to play healer’s.

Anet has admitted themselves they are pushing Rev’s more and further into a support roll.

I suggest you go to the Anet description of the class and read what they have said their vision of the class is.

The players did not set up this false expectation – Anet did, they wrote the copy – not players.

By expanding our healing role; they are giving players something that the vast majority of Rev players did not ask for or want while willfully ignoring the problems that good players have taken the time to point out.

Nobody picked rev to be a support class. I rather have a selfish “death knight” playstyle when it comes to rev. Want to play support heavy armor class? Well theres guardian with light magic and to some extend warrior. At current moment there is literally no difference between rev and guardian, they may have different animations, skills and what not but in the end both are sort of boonbots. Its fine to buff different types of rev such as heal/boonbot but for f sake, he has to be viable as dps killing machine first.

This is from char creation:

Revenant manipulate energy from the mists to invoke power of legends from the past, unleashing immense attacks that dominate foes and unleash chaos on the battlefield.

What does it have to do with being a boon/heal bot?

I picked up a Rev to be support

I also picked it up for a lot of other things. And as it turns out, I have all of those covered over 3 Revenants. Now, without being specific to the patch notes, you can increase the support capabilities of Rev without diminishing the other roles and vice versa. Now, of course Rev has its things it’ll need to work through, but these notes don’t mean you have to invite Chicken Little over for tea.

It’s irrelevant what you picked Rev for … Anet doesn’t design the class according to what players want. I don’t even understand why that expectation exists; no MMO works that way and nothing I see in GW2 makes me think it’s any different, including this. Any argument based on why a player does something or what they want related to game balance are dead ends, always.

Matt Stacey.7415:

Why would I want to play a Revenant healer? Might as well go play druid to heal effectively and reliably

in WvW this is 100% not the case rev burst heals for 8-12k on a 2 second CD while providing protection and alac. Only an auramancer ele can compete with rev for WvW healing.

Why would I want to play a Revenant healer? Might as well go play druid to heal effectively and reliably

I might, but I don’t want to. I’m sorry, but I’m not someone who lets himself be controlled by the “meta”. If playing meta and meta only is the only way to feel “worthy of playing” for you, that is your thing. But don’t take that out on other people. This is exactly why you won’t see me raiding. Not because it’s too hard or I can’t get my kitten together, just because people more often than not are a little too arrogant and serious about this.

I have no reason to play ventari. It’s clunky and awkward.

Can we call it different? I haven’t played much of it yet, but I agree the playstyle is something unique. If you are not willing to deal with this unique style, that is again your thing. I will learn it, because ANet gave us an oppurtinity for it with this patch. It seems to work very well in WvW, so it WILL have it’s place in the game. Game is not only Raids you know.
Overall I have to say guys, don’t take this too seriosly it’s a game, and yes your expectations weren’t met at some point for rev. Why? Because again meta tells you what is gud and you think that is the only viable thing. Being worthy in the eyes of meta! That’s just not my thing. I thought people (especially in raids) have proved that you dont NEED the meta to kill a boss, but I guess that is not common sense in the community (yet).

ESO’s Morrowind is just around the corner and the Warden sounds like the class I was hoping the Rev would be.

I hope you wont get disappointed. You most likely will be.

If playing meta and meta only is the only way to feel “worthy of playing” for you, that is your thing. But don’t take that out on other people. This is exactly why you won’t see me raiding. Not because it’s too hard or I can’t get my kitten together, just because people more often than not are a little too arrogant and serious about this.

high fives You’ve said it better than I ever could. Well done.

With the reveal of the ventari legend and its traitline is was clear that revs were supposed to be able to fill the healer role like druids are. So i cannot understand why rev player would think revs arent supposed to be able to support/heal?

I understand that most people wanted dps and condi builds to be buffed, but everyone was also complaining that ventari was useless and the only viable build was power shiro/glint and that more legends needed to become viable. They delivered on trying to make another legend/build viable for rev so they aren’t stuck as an aa power bot for every aspect of the game. Not the most flashy or impressive changes, but it’s better than nothing and I’m sure the changes are more impactful in game than they are on paper.

Muchacho.2390:

With the reveal of the ventari legend and its traitline is was clear that revs were supposed to be able to fill the healer role like druids are. So i cannot understand why rev player would think revs arent supposed to be able to support/heal?

Based on that guess, is supposed that Jalis should made able Rev to tank, when is fact power dps power Glint+Shiro has better sustain and survability than anything involving Jalis or Retribution. Also, Ventari doesn’t even has underwater skills so can be assumed that Ventari (and Jalis) were last time aditions rushed to the HoT release to prevent people from raging due the class has half of the skills and weapons other professions have and you can’t even swap the skills from each legend.

Also, Guardians have access to spirit weapons, which means nothing because pet Guardian is hot garbage in any game mode. Revs were promoted as a mix of Thief and Warrior, and neither of them are known as healers.

Rudedawg.1876:

no biggy, ESO’s Morrowind is just around the corner and the Warden sounds like the class I was hoping the Rev would be.

Yeah, generally speaking ESOs gameplay is much more to my liking. A resource pool (or two) and I can execute abilities as it makes sense to, rather than cooldown driven combat which devolves into predetermined rotations.

I had very high hopes for the Revenant to give me that in GW2. But with cooldowns on weapon skills and quite a lot of their utility skills too, that was a big disappointment. The one thing that was lacking in ESO was nature themed magic and Warden looks set to fix that.

Adding alacrity to Ventari is such a stupid idea…

• #1 You irk mesmers by taking something originally advertised as “their thing”
• #2 The implementation is terrible. 3 sec alacrity on a skill you have to keep spamming which wastes lots of energy. In fact just to maintain 12 seconds of alacrity requires 4 skill presses and uses up all your energy. So you won’t be using any other skills at all; ruining your heals and/or dps.

Rangerdeity.5847:

Matt Stacey.7415:

Why would I want to play a Revenant healer? Might as well go play druid to heal effectively and reliably

in WvW this is 100% not the case rev burst heals for 8-12k on a 2 second CD while providing protection and alac.

What is the burst combo for Ventari heals in WvW? I’m making full minstrel gear and also thought it might work well on rev. Never used Ventari before.

Zephyra.4709:

Rangerdeity.5847:

Matt Stacey.7415:

Why would I want to play a Revenant healer? Might as well go play druid to heal effectively and reliably

in WvW this is 100% not the case rev burst heals for 8-12k on a 2 second CD while providing protection and alac.

What is the burst combo for Ventari heals in WvW? I’m making full minstrel gear and also thought it might work well on rev. Never used Ventari before.

absolute maximum heals are generated while your at full hp and within 10 seconds of switching to ventari. but as for combo none needed just move tablet to where you want which grants a modest but good heal to all it passes thru and if traited regen+protection then hit the burst heal utility. if the enemy condi bombs hit the condi cleanse which heals per condi cleansed and can be double tapped it needed. enemy is nuking a hallway with ranged attacks place tablet in hall and put the bubble up. enemy is on a cliff wall or what nots move the tablet to them then pop your elite to knock them off and grant your team heal shards to pick up. its all a game of dancing with your tablet

ventari rev plays a lot like a pet class you spend a lot of your time energy and resources buffing your pet at the cost of your own personal performance.

After playing about 30 games with Ventari (or more), I still love it. Rangerdeity sums it up perfectly: it’s a controllable “pet”. Most of your heals should stem from the tablet, although shield 4+5 are good and staff 4 is a condi cleanse and should be reserved for that reason. I 1v1’d a Necro with Magi, Rune of the Monk, and died. Once I started kiting, however, my health was in tip-top shape.

I faced off against warriors who had berserker equipment. I literally stood in one spot and healed myself without running around… and survived!

Thieves are a bit of an issue. They have powerful attacks (although the heals do mitigate the damage), and should be handled very carefully during battles. One wrong move at the wrong time and you’re down.

Pros about Ventari:

- Heals can activate while CC’d
– Excellent, strong heals
– Group alacrity
– Heals can be performed from medium-long range
– CC availability
– Projectile denial bubble which blocks projectiles, supports revives, secures stomps, and provides a light field

Neutrals:
– Fair condi cleanse. Can be aided by Sigil of Purity

Cons:
– Very low damage. Do not expect to aid in the defeat of an enemy with this build. CC’ing is this build’s offense.

Tips and tricks!

- To secure a heal with higher chances of success, activate Natural Harmony first, then immediately after move the tablet (Ventari’s Will) to an ally that needs health.
– Even if all allies have high health points, Alacrity greatly supports them.
– Use Protective Solace over allies that are downed and enemies that are downed.
– Try to stick to teamfights.
– It is possible to bunker on a point against multiple enemies, however you may only last to about 30 seconds against 2 or more players (unless you can kite well enough to survive for a longer period of time).
– Ventari’s Will followed by Energy Explusion towards a groupfight or point can provide areal CC.
– Save energy if you can, and do not spend it for minor Quality of Life reasons (e.g. Alacrity uptime while at full health). Condi cleanse from Purifying Essence will be crucial in case of condition spikes.
– Use Renewing Wave in Protective Solace to get an extra condition cleanse (3).
– Ventari’s Will is a very cheap heal. It cleaves heals as well, and if traited properly can grant Regeneration and Protection.
– When performing a block or evade from your weapons, make sure to use your tablet to heal yourself or an ally while blocking or evading.
– You can use your tablet skills while CC’d.
– Use Glint stance for a panic heal, boonshare at the start of a match (and when you respawn after death), and for CC from Chaotic Release. Upon switching to Glint stance, most of your weapon’s blocks and evades should be recharged. Use them to wait out for Ventari stance’s recharge
– Being in Ventari’s stance most of the time is recommended for highest healing results.

My build:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vlAQNAsemn3gmNSuQzJRboNlsP0oS4I6UJ4ENsklZlZ9iPGRNgCewO6q/G-TJxGABMXGQhnAwQ7PAwpAAA