Guild Wars 2

i just played a couple games in different pvp lobbies with this and i’m owning people and trust me i’m reaaaaallly bad at this game. try it

no i’m being serious is anyone going to try it this is really working for me

Yeah we all will as you have given us plenty of information!

Weapons. Runes. Sigils. Skills. Traits.

Rotations. Strategy. Role.

Capital letters at the start of a sentence.

dp, 64022, ogre, berserker, blinding powder, shadow refuge, shadow step, thieves guild

mug, panic strike, furious retaliation, fleet shadow, thrill of the crime, rest idc do w/e go try it now and tell me how good it is. i am making everyone cry besides the mesmers, had no clue pvp is this dependent on traits and equipment

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoYVlsMp7plPxzJ0PNxOBtdAq9E4+EdoEdlDA-TlCEABLq+TK7PwkyODeAANpUAhDBAgKBbTfBAnIgHOCAkBIfLA-w

That’s how usual people do it
And I’m making people cry with that build in pvp as well =)

Especially mesmers.. although I love fighting them – favourite class to be up against.

Both builds are not as good as they could be.

King Noob IV: Is might on dodge worth a 20% damage reduction. You also still have not used capital letters and no sigils or weapon information.

Jana: D/P is better in spvp unless your really know what your doing, then you can make D/D work, but still not as well. Also your sigils are wrong. If you want bloodlust put it on your shortbow and swap to it when you stomp, then have Fire and Air on your daggers. Your damage just went up 1.5k every 3 seconds.

For both:
Spvp is a team game. If you can stop a stomp, res a downed player you can change a losing fight to a winning fight. Both your builds have no skills to interrupt a stomp, so are no use. Here are some recommend options:

- Pistol off hand for the 4th weapon skill being a daze.
- Steal causes daze and removes stability traits
- Scorpions Wire (if you are really good with it)
- Basilisks venom
- S/P skill 3

Wolfield.9812:

Both builds are not as good as they could be.

King Noob IV: Is might on dodge worth a 20% damage reduction. You also still have not used capital letters and no sigils or weapon information.

Jana: D/P is better in spvp unless your really know what your doing, then you can make D/D work, but still not as well. Also your sigils are wrong. If you want bloodlust put it on your shortbow and swap to it when you stomp, then have Fire and Air on your daggers. Your damage just went up 1.5k every 3 seconds.

For both:
Spvp is a team game. If you can stop a stomp, res a downed player you can change a losing fight to a winning fight. Both your builds have no skills to interrupt a stomp, so are no use. Here are some recommend options:

- Pistol off hand for the 4th weapon skill being a daze.
- Steal causes daze and removes stability traits
- Scorpions Wire (if you are really good with it)
- Basilisks venom
- S/P skill 3

I know what I’m doing =)
I’m using this build in open Pve, in fractals, in dungeons, in wvw and pvp – and am doing fine. Wvw is that hard that everything else is a breeze.

Edit: But that was just an example how to link builds so people have a clue what the person is talking about – and I’m using basilisk venom in pvp, that’s the only difference. Well in some fractals/dungeons I also use smoke screen.

what do you mean might on dodge, I do not have bad traits like that I have all the super strong ones put together that’s why my build is insanely strong

and I don’t understand that website, where do you go to see the traits?

King Noob IV.3560:

and I don’t understand that website, where do you go to see the traits?

Sounds like an attempted variation of the old "carry" build. Back when you’d have a glass thief carrying a bunker to a point, killing anyone who tried to stop them before they could join the fight to support their allies. The old build was 25/30/0/0/15. Your build trades the key traits for finishing targets off quickly, for a bit of extra survivability, but less than the panic strike D/P which opts for condi cleanse over a bit of swiftness and vigor (6/0/2/0/6). The former build also has vigor from bountiful theft, and the ability to rip and steal boons which can give it swiftness, stability, vigor, fury etc. and as mentioned already, sleight of hand may sound like a near worthless trait at first, but after using it you realise just how much more you can do. The 6/0/2/0/6 also gets the damage modifier from 5 in trickery, while your build gave up its two damage modifiers which are 5 and 6 in critical strikes, meaning it probably has more damage than your build as well as more survivability.

A nice build craft though. It may be far from as effective as the meta builds but don’t let that disuade you. After all, someone made those at some point too.

Everything Wolfield said thus far has been 99% correct. You are both (Jana and King Noob IV) being pretentious and stubborn and you will NEVER learn with that mindset.

Both of your builds are bad.

Tonikor.5637:

Everything Wolfield said thus far has been 99% correct. You are both (Jana and King Noob IV) being pretentious and stubborn and you will NEVER learn with that mindset.

Both of your builds are bad.

Sure =)

ugh there is so much stuff to consider when making your own traits from scratch… all these traits fill the holes other traits leave open but there are just so many good ones and I only got 14 point QQ

and I completely forgot about that last trait in the crit tree… that is pretty kitten useful for the way I play. i’ll do what ever the meta crit build is and switch it up a little to my liking

Tonikor.5637:

Everything Wolfield said thus far has been 99% correct. You are both (Jana and King Noob IV) being pretentious and stubborn and you will NEVER learn with that mindset.

Both of your builds are bad.

do you even know what pretentious and stubborn mean or did you hear one of your parents say them to you… er nvm I don’t want the answer to that lol.

thanks a lot guys, gonna work off of what you 3 said. peace

The critical strikes version is 2/6/0/0/6. Faster at killing but more vulnerable to conditions and has an arguably weaker heal because it needs hide in shadows for the condi clear. That being said, both are still used, they just have different play styles.

I didn’t look at the the build link from Jana, but I have now. That’s a variation of a couple of very old builds you used to see, before the sigil changes which might be why you’re not using fire and air. One was D/D or D/P 10/30/30/0/0, and the other D/P 0/30/30/10/0. The former is a nice build for new players running thief in PvP; it lets you work on the play style and mind set a thief needs for its role while not dying all the time, but as you start meeting better players the build and play style need to adjust - you might not see that now but you’ll realise it when it happens, and why. The latter used to be used competitively as a far-point assaulter build, using shadow trap for decaps and 3 signets for might stacking (malice, assassin’s and either agility or infiltrator’s [I forget]). It was alright, but rather restricting in versatility/adaptability, both for you and your team.

Edit: Got my "latter" and "former" mixed!

Alright, let’s try again: my build link wasn’t in so you can all judge it and tell me just how far I’m off of the meta and that I will never become a good thief (which made my friend lol when I told him) – but to give an example as to how link builds – I couldn’t care less about what you think about my build =)

Jana.6831:

Alright, let’s try again: my build link wasn’t in so you can all judge it and tell me just how far I’m off of the meta and that I will never become a good thief (which made my friend lol when I told him) – but to give an example as to how link builds – I couldn’t care less about what you think about my build =)

Perhaps not, but you posted it on a thread where someone is testing out builds. Whatever the reason, you must have anticipated it getting reviewed for the OP.

Off topic but +1 for saying “couldn’t care less.” So many say “could,” which is annoying =P.

No, I posted it in a thread in which someone wondered why no one replied to his “64022 is tha rage” – but carry on – I still don’t care =)

You care enough the want the last word though =P.

Well it was amusing until I had to clarify that I was referring to you wanting the last word. I’ll edit it for you v_v.

Alright, that didn’t make too much sense – but I guess you know it – knock yourself out in having the last word – it’s always good to have that trait.
Maybe you meant that I care enough to have the last word? No I just corrected your assumption as you got it all wrong but are too proud to admit it.

Wait why 2in trickery again? Why not go with Shadow’s Embrace?

I despair for you Jana. I did not say I don’t enjoy having the last word - anyone who knows me knows that I do. What I said was that you clearly care enough to want it. If you want to make this about me to escape giving a straight response to that fact, you’ll need to do a better job than that. Alas, the simple fact that you returned to try, confirms my assertion.

Nephrite, he was going for damaging traits, but missed executioner. For damaging traits, fury on steal trumps shadow’s embrace. At least, that’s my take on his thinking.

I think I’ll give the build a shot. Dropping shadow’s embrace for once :’(

I took off shadow’s embrace because I wanted that steal trait in trickery, it gives so much stuff and it’s only a level 1 trait so I thought it was op

Impact.2780:

I despair for you Jana. I did not say I don’t enjoy having the last word – anyone who knows me knows that I do.

You realize what you just wrote there, right?
Anyway, english is my second language and it appears to be yours as well – you really should work on that!

It’s my first and only language, and that sentence is both correctly phrased and true. If you’d like to explain to me what you’re not understanding, I might be able to help you.

Impact.2780:

You care enough the want the last word though =P.

Makes no sense – was even worse the first time around.

Impact.2780:

If you want to make this about me to escape giving a straight response to that fact, you’ll need to do a better job than that. Alas, the simple fact that you returned to try, confirms my assertion.

To what fact? That you want to have the last word as I first assumed it? Or that you don’t get that I posted that build to post a build? I could’ve taken anyone – and maybe I did, who cares?

Anyway since this seems to be a troll battle and it’s clearly offtopic, I’m out to not spoil Noob King’s thread.

I’m still trying to figure out the best traits for me so I’m watching youtube videos and in this one guy is somehow 1v2ing tons of people with that 0/6/6/2/0 build. how is he doing so much damage even though he went pretty tanky? he doesn’t have jack kitten on his steal and he’s owning everyone

King Noob IV.3560:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK5UiXfbmco

I’m still trying to figure out the best traits for me so I’m watching youtube videos and in this one guy is somehow 1v2ing tons of people with that 0/6/6/2/0 build. how is he doing so much damage even though he went pretty tanky? he doesn’t have jack kitten on his steal and he’s owning everyone

Why do you think he’s tanky, because of the traits? He’s full zerker – and have a look at Hidden Assassin (Trait).

oh true true i’m too focused on traits, forgetting about everything else. ima just use that one then and once I start playing with the big boys i’ll do the crit build impact mentioned if this one fails

Stats in WvW are much higher than in PvP. You can steal put out nice damage in WvW while using shadow arts. Trickery is more for utility and survivability than damage though.

Oh I see, Jana. You took a typo that was meant to be "to," and based your responses around that instead of what it meant in order to continue deflecting. Only, it didn’t work out very well because small typos are read as they were intended 99% of the time - that is to say that the brain "auto-corrects" it while it’s reading. Using it to declare that I need to work on my English is actually a low blow considering I’m currently suffering from repetitive strain injury in my left hand and wrist, which makes typing quite difficult, but then you wouldn’t know that.

Anyway, all your responses pertaining to our discussion since you started this little conflict have been based around the straw person fallacy - that is, deliberately displaying a misinterpretation of what was said to avoid addressing it.

Tonikor.5637:

Everything Wolfield said thus far has been 99% correct. You are both (Jana and King Noob IV) being pretentious and stubborn and you will NEVER learn with that mindset.

Both of your builds are bad.

Thank you.

King Noob IV: If you want high damage and everything else, Thief is a bad place to start in SPvP. Warriors, Guardians, Power Necros, Rangers, all have higher damage now days. Thief is only good in SPvP for 2v1’ing a fight, and backcapping (Assuming players are all equally skilled). If you want to play the Thief because it suits your playstyle and you enjoy it, this is the current Thief meta in SPvP:

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Thief_-_Dagger/Pistol

Change, adapt it, and enjoy it. I personally run a bad build in PvP on my Thief, but I enjoy it and my win % is higher than 50%.

Jana: No comment, carry on your pointless argument that you lost at the beginning.

Alright, I’m seriously at loss what has happened here and I honestly didn’t pay too much attention, which I should have:
My stealth interrupts a stomp – blinding powder and shadow refuge do.
I use sigil of air instead of bloodlust in pvp.
My build works for me, doesn’t mean I was advertising it – I know it is “the worst build possible” that’s why it’s my pvp build as I set it up when a friend wanted to duel me to give him an idea how it’s like to duel me in wvw.
My win ratio in pvp is higher than 50% as well, with that very build. I can’t fight bunker necros or bunker engis but for that we have tanky classes in our team. I never lose a 1vs1 in pvp, I’m able to recap and to hold points, last time it was versus 4 who I kept occupied for half the match, for whatever reasons. It was a ranked arena so it was kind of weird. So, maybe I’m really that over the top skilled that my dusty build still works or the people in pvp are just really bad – as long as there’s no reason for me to change said build I probably won’t (although I really like the D/P build of the youtube video – but again that’s a wvw build).
And I still don’t know which initial argument I lost and I honestly don’t care about any injuries someone has that prevents them from typing properly and not noticing typos even when they edit their post.

Yuo dno’t ntoice typos bcuase the brain auto-cerrocts them. In a sentence full of them, like that one, you would notice. Granted, you’re less likely to not notice if your first/main language is not the one being used, but I did not say 100% of people. What I said was that one does not notice because the brain auto corrects. Such a cause of a typo would not prevent it from being identified. Once again, you’re twisting and mixing-and-matching what was said so that you can respond to it argumentatively. If you want to play that game, you should at least make it so that it cannot be so easily done to you. We could easily say "Umm, no. Stealth does not interrupt stomps. It prevents the stomp from finishing the target but it does not interrupt anything." We could once again repeat that the build was being reviewed for the benefit of the OP, which you didn’t seem to be able to twist to your liking and so claimed to not care. We could then point out that you repetitively claimed to not care, and yet are still here and are now going on about what you do in fact use. Ironically, we don’t care what you use, but you didn’t seem to get that because it wasn’t so bluntly said. We reviewed the build posted due to the nature of the thread. No one is reviewing you; for that, make another thread. I could go back further and point out that sure, no one said "this Jana chap is good," but no one said you’re bad or could never be good. You arrived at that all on your own, and told us that you went and told your friends that it’s been said of you. From a psychological perspective, I could assert that you’re seeking attention and approval. Again, you should make another thread for that. I also point out that I in fact said the shadow arts build is good when learning a new role, which is something positive about it, when all you’ve done is invent negativity for it. Do note too, that everything was regarding PvP, and not WvW, as PvP was what the OP mentioned.

If you can’t see that by now, you’re either misunderstanding a lot or twisting people’s words so much that you believe what you’ve invented, or trolling. I did think you were just looking for conflict, but it’s one of those believable cases so I gave you the benefit of the doubt and replied to everything politely.

For King I would recommend the Panic Strike Build. It basically does exactly what he wants to do and don’t waste unnecessary trait points around.

For Jana, the build you mentioned is STILL used on WvW environment, but in the words of the very person who CREATED IT is not worthy to use on sPvP.

D/D is in a pretty bad spot on sPvP right now (despise the fact I use it myself, but I am really stubborn). No one will stop you from using it, but it’s a fact that the 0/6/6/2/0 build is not up to pair.

You can though, use the Panic Strike and Critical builds with D/D tough. Works well to a certain extent.

SoulSin.5682:

For King I would recommend the Panic Strike Build. It basically does exactly what he wants to do and don’t waste unnecessary trait points around.

For Jana, the build you mentioned is STILL used on WvW environment, but in the words of the very person who CREATED IT is not worthy to use on sPvP.

D/D is in a pretty bad spot on sPvP right now (despise the fact I use it myself, but I am really stubborn). No one will stop you from using it, but it’s a fact that the 0/6/6/2/0 build is not up to pair.

You can though, use the Panic Strike and Critical builds with D/D tough. Works well to a certain extent.

Currently using D/D myself, and with alot of practice I have found scorpion wire to be the life line of the build. Give it ago and you might come to love it.

Rotation:
- Steal, Cloak and Dagger, Backstab, (dodge or auto for reveal timer to wear off)
- When they try to heal, stand still, scorpion wire, cloak and dagger, backstab
- Heartseeker to finisher

On a 20 second timer, its amazing. Being able to drag someone away from a stomp, Cloak and dagger then backstab them, is alot of damage and has been clutch in many matches I have played recently.

Saying all this, D/P is still better in pvp at the moment

Swar to all gods that I also tryed Scorpion Wire and noticed how awesome it is. Easy interrupt, fast cast and works as a gap closer.

But it miss as easily as a throwing dagger. So I swicthed it for something more realiable

SoulSin.5682:

Swar to all gods that I also tryed Scorpion Wire and noticed how awesome it is. Easy interrupt, fast cast and works as a gap closer.

But it miss as easily as a throwing dagger. So I swicthed it for something more realiable

Find if I stand still when using it, its much more reliable. But also waiting for the right moments. Use it in close range as well, as if it was just further than melee.

Ok I don’t understand how something isn’t strong in sPvP but very strong in WvW, like what’s the difference? In sPvP I always sneak around and capture points away from where the main fighting is happening and there is usually no people there or 1 person I have to deal with before capturing that point. That’s pretty much roaming I think so why do you have to specify which PvP mode something is good or bad in?

edit: and I like the panic strike build but is trickery at 2 and shadow arts at 6 damagey as well because I think I’m gonna die a lot going 60206

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAoaVl0MpypdPxwJ8PNRLRtdHECjIXDh2PQAcAA-TpREwAFOEASeAA52fAwRAAbZgBnAAA

Imo is best build atm…

King Noob IV.3560:

Ok I don’t understand how something isn’t strong in sPvP but very strong in WvW, like what’s the difference? In sPvP I always sneak around and capture points away from where the main fighting is happening and there is usually no people there or 1 person I have to deal with before capturing that point. That’s pretty much roaming I think so why do you have to specify which PvP mode something is good or bad in?

edit: and I like the panic strike build but is trickery at 2 and shadow arts at 6 damagey as well because I think I’m gonna die a lot going 60206

Some annoying differences that for thief is important:
- Overal movement speed is decreased on sPvP.
- Revealed lasts for 4 seconds instead of 3 for Pve/WvW
- Some skills, like Cloak&Dagger deal less damage.
- Difference on equipment because of the lack of trinkets on sPvP (there is only amulets here)
- Terrain usage varies. Even tough it follows the same logic, the use of terrain changes a lot on both game modes.
- You can’t cap points on stealth at sPvP

And some other stuff.

The reason why, say, builds like 0/6/6/2/0 doesn’t work is because the extra second on revealed and reduce movement screw up the timing on those builds. Plus you can’t cap points on stealth meaning that you are most likely going to lose the point you are trying to capture unless you manage to kill your target.

And yes, you will probably die a lot as a thief, thats for granted.
The point of the Thief on SPvP is to arrive unnoticed, burst everyone down and move to the next spot. You most of the time won’t be under pressure, but when you are you will mostly die until you learn to survive better.

SoulSin.5682:

King Noob IV.3560:

Ok I don’t understand how something isn’t strong in sPvP but very strong in WvW, like what’s the difference? In sPvP I always sneak around and capture points away from where the main fighting is happening and there is usually no people there or 1 person I have to deal with before capturing that point. That’s pretty much roaming I think so why do you have to specify which PvP mode something is good or bad in?

edit: and I like the panic strike build but is trickery at 2 and shadow arts at 6 damagey as well because I think I’m gonna die a lot going 60206

Some annoying differences that for thief is important:
- Overal movement speed is decreased on sPvP.
- Revealed lasts for 4 seconds instead of 3 for Pve/WvW
- Some skills, like Cloak&Dagger deal less damage.
- Difference on equipment because of the lack of trinkets on sPvP (there is only amulets here)
- Terrain usage varies. Even tough it follows the same logic, the use of terrain changes a lot on both game modes.
- You can’t cap points on stealth at sPvP

And some other stuff.

The reason why, say, builds like 0/6/6/2/0 doesn’t work is because the extra second on revealed and reduce movement screw up the timing on those builds. Plus you can’t cap points on stealth meaning that you are most likely going to lose the point you are trying to capture unless you manage to kill your target.

And yes, you will probably die a lot as a thief, thats for granted.
The point of the Thief on SPvP is to arrive unnoticed, burst everyone down and move to the next spot. You most of the time won’t be under pressure, but when you are you will mostly die until you learn to survive better.

Oh I see, guess I need to change my playstyle then. I’m too ballsy, like warrior ballsy, I tend to make people know I’m there to kill them then go in face first instead of being sneaky lol… I even walk up to people and stealth in front of them but I think that’s because I run out of stealth if I do it from far away

and I’m never doing sPvP once I hit level 80 I’m going straight for WvW and that’s it SCREW THIS ANTI-THIEF MODE

edit: oh wow I’m trying 26006 and it’s actually doing good burst like I took away 3/4 of someones hp in one hit, but I die right after that because idk what to do lol

For longer stealth you can can it in black powder. Tilt your camera so you are looking as far down as possible, and heartseeker will move you less distance. That way you can easily get 3 heartseekers, and sometimes 4 inside the black powder for longer stealth.

What you do as D/P is blind the hits you really need to avoid. If they jump into the air or you see some effects around their weapon, it’ll usually be something important to dodge so use shadow shot. Shadow shot is amazing, it’s a blind, gap closer, and good damage. Generally while in a fight already, you’ll only stealth to cleanse condis or escape. Use black powder - try to anticipate when you’ll need it because it’s easy to interrupt - get some damage in, then before it dissapears or when the target moves away from the field, heartseeker. If there are more people running to kill you, get another stealth combo and leave, otherwise land a backstab immediately.

6/6/2 with 97% crit rate when behind opponent and 3s haste is kitten …

Killed a d/d ele so fast yesterday he started qq in map chat.

You can’t get away in spvp without condi remova these days…

Any build I run has 2 sa for condi removal…