I was in full Rabid exo gear.
2773 Armor (1648 toughness)
18531 HP
As you can clearly see – this wasn’t final hit for me:
6044 HS + 1595 Flame sigil + 540 Wave + 1120 Double strike
So I was with nearly 9k HP at the moment of HS impact – this is 50% of my total HP!
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Licharr (Guard), Lich Eir (Ranger), Alt Fh (Thief). Lii Cherr (Mesm), S Wf (Necr)
WvW buffs? Such as? It was near our tower.
Might stacks? How many?
Debuffs? Vulnerability? Nah, I was without it, also, how many stack needed for this damage?
Food? What food?
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This was in OS a few months ago. I forgot what food I had, but i am sure it was 100 power and 70 vitalty. anyway this is vs another thief (he might of been bad gear) but i was running d/p 3/0/0/5/6. no crit strikes.
6k is easy to get with heart seeker, and in wvw the power creap is pretty crazy. some focus warriors hit me for 13k evis!
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I didn’t asked “what is it?”
I’ve asked “how many stacks?”
So, in zerg fights you think this is possible to have 25 stacks of Bloodlust and 5 stacks of Guard killer? Especially for glassy Zerk Thief, right?
And this is possible for some glassy zerk thief (obviously, pug) maintain 25 stacks of Might on demand, right?
And this is OK hits like that against toughness focused players?
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Licharr (Guard), Lich Eir (Ranger), Alt Fh (Thief). Lii Cherr (Mesm), S Wf (Necr)
Btw, if your health was 9k… and you got hit by a 6k hs, that’s more than 50%, considerably more. It’s 66% to be more exact…
I think he meant he had (nearly) 50% of his health left since the damage of heartseeker increases the lower the health of the opponent is.
I rarely do 6k heartseekers but maybe that’s because I rarely do heartseekers, nonetheless my stacks are usually full, except when I just logged in – I know how to get them!
Complaining? Where you see that?
I’m wondering: wtf with so big … kitten it, read 1st post again.
Complaining, because if you really wanted an explanation only, post #2 in this topic would be more then sufficient and no more “discussion” from your side would have occured, period.
Complaining? Where you see that?
I’m wondering: wtf with so big … kitten it, read 1st post again.
Complaining, because if you really wanted an explanation only, post #2 in this topic would be more then sufficient and no more “discussion” from your side would have occured, period.
Who are you to place periods anywhere? You can take your “eletism” and go to the …
#SAVEDONBASS from Ukraine!
Seafarer’s Rest (EU): Liicher (Engi), Lii Cher (Warrior), Swf (Elem),
Licharr (Guard), Lich Eir (Ranger), Alt Fh (Thief). Lii Cherr (Mesm), S Wf (Necr)
WvW buffs? Such as? It was near our tower.
Might stacks? How many?
Debuffs? Vulnerability? Nah, I was without it, also, how many stack needed for this damage?
Food? What food?
This post and the fact that you somehow lost to a zerk thief as a condi engi lead me to believe you are very new to WvW. Expect to die very often until you have a bit more experience.
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Complaining? Where you see that?
I’m wondering: wtf with so big … kitten it, read 1st post again.
Complaining, because if you really wanted an explanation only, post #2 in this topic would be more then sufficient and no more “discussion” from your side would have occured, period.
Who are you to place periods anywhere? You can take your “eletism” and go to the …
You all confirmed here, what thieves can easily have a tons of damage modifiers, what is allow to them nearly oneshot even toughness focused characters
Maugetarr.6823: Thx
Can’t imagine how strong can be Backstab in this conditions - this can be really oneshot...
#SAVEDONBASS from Ukraine!
Seafarer’s Rest (EU): Liicher (Engi), Lii Cher (Warrior), Swf (Elem),
Licharr (Guard), Lich Eir (Ranger), Alt Fh (Thief). Lii Cherr (Mesm), S Wf (Necr)
You all confirmed here, what thieves can easily have a tons of damage modifiers, what is allow to them nearly oneshot even toughness focused characters
Maugetarr.6823: Thx
Can’t imagine how strong can be Backstab in this conditions – this can be really oneshot…
Everyone that has spent a little time in WvW has access to the same damage modifiers
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Not only everyone has access to the same damage modifiers, everyone has access to nearly oneshot specs, that thief that attacked you was 26006 or 26600 most likely, first one is extremely squishy. A block, some damage to him and he is in trouble.
And thief isn´t even the class with highest damage in short time, ele is better. Ingis can reach really high damage, necro can do nearly 10k on autoattack, ranger can make a lot of damage with maul or rapidfire, warrior with eviscerate or killshot, etc. Its all about the circumstances…
Oooooh Backstab so OP.
Oh wait.
Doesn’t it have to hit target’s back first?
And don’t you have to be in stealth?
And it’s not like you can launch it from 300 range either, right?
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@Coronit – Static Discharge on engi with ~50ms has a great burst.
My highest HS was 14k and Back Stab was 15k. Oh yeah my full zerk PP build I can string about 8-10 Unloads on your a__. 72k string onTeq’s burn phase in 6 secs with Time Warp up. 430k Unload string on Dredge final boss in 10-12 secs. 55k single unload 1.5 secs. I’ll see you on the battlefield
That’s not a good build, just to give you the idea of what dmg HS could do in your situation.
Your Armor : 2773
Skill Coefficient : 1.5 (you said you were at 50% hp)
Base Power : 2921
You can activate 4 signet for 20 might + 1 might from steal. 21 might = 735 power. 200 power when in stealth. + 250 power from Bloodlust + 100 power from guards stack.
Total power = 2921735+200+250+100 = 4206
Critical dmg = 231%
Critical chance = 100% in stealth
Damage modifier = 15% Assassin’s Signet + 10% Scholar + 5% Dagger Training + 10% Exposed Weakness + 10% First Strikers + 5% Sigil of Force
So in theory it was possible for a thief to do a 9.2 HS on you by its own in that particular situation. Again, nobody use the build that I gave, its just to show you that its possible to give a really high HS with a thief alone.
Interestingny enough. That same thief with a little bit of help (4 more might), and against a squishy light armor (1846 armor is the lowest possible with an exotic armor). A thief could do a 18.9k HS or a 22k Backstab. Don’t think anyone will see it, but it would be funny.
Don’t think anyone will see it, but it would be funny.
And when someone will see it, they will cry OP and make a similar post as this, with slight implication that that’s the type of damage thieves do constantly.
Don’t think anyone will see it, but it would be funny.
And when someone will see it, they will cry OP and make a similar post as this, with slight implication that that’s the type of damage thieves do constantly.
:P but it would be funny.
Well I pushed it far to reach 18,9k HS. But now I want to bring a couple of guildmate with me and try to reach that on a innocent person in WvW just for the fun of it.
I’m sure i’m gonna die a couple of time before I can pull it off, but it would be awesome lol.
I’m pretty sure I’ve hit a 100k backstab on the dredge boss before…. maybe ._.
Well, my overkill achievement says i did 300k damage.
Clearly guys, this is the type of damage thieves do, when they want to.
Nerf them all! They shouldn’t be able to complete the overkill achievement.
Damage output coming WvW never surprise me. I’m not sure why this is an issue.
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PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.
Damage output coming WvW never surprise me. I’m not sure why this is an issue.
:/ I wonder if people complained about the damage from trebuchets before, like being hit by one.
I mean they do “9,715 damage to regular walls, 4,857 to fully upgraded walls.” , that’s 1 normal auto-attack! Holly cow, they dont even stealth or have to get behind their targets… and their range is 10,000 units, jesus that’s so OP that the thief using that should get nerfed.
Wow, thats true, please add it to your Nerf-wish list, far to OP…
Or arrowcarts! You have thought on arrowcarts? Extreme high damage on 50! people at the same time!
And if thats not enough, think about imprvisation with siege-weapons. 10% more damage, nerf that.
/irony off
It’s 5% more damage when maxed and treb does around 6,2k damage against T3 walls :P
And yeah, people complained about at least ACs and they have been nerfed somewhen last year. They were also a topic when it came to why rangers can’t hit more people with their LB #5 skill – so ACs feel our pain.
Edit: Cata does around 9k (against T3 walls) if I remember correctly.
.. What’s your point? Eviscerate can crit for like 15k, Killshot even higher, shatter Mesmers can OHKO you if they land a good shatter and a full glass Ele could OHKO you twice in one hit in an ideal scenario. There are lots of skills that can deal massive damage even if you have a fair bit of toughness on you.
Damage output coming WvW never surprise me. I’m not sure why this is an issue.
:/ I wonder if people complained about the damage from trebuchets before, like being hit by one.
I mean they do “9,715 damage to regular walls, 4,857 to fully upgraded walls.” , that’s 1 normal auto-attack! Holly cow, they dont even stealth or have to get behind their targets… and their range is 10,000 units, jesus that’s so OP that the thief using that should get nerfed.
lol, you can get so much buffs from WvW that discussing damage output is not even a serious topic.
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Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.
So my Evis war that hits ele’s from 100% to down is not an issue? I don’t like it when people complain about completely normal dmg from a full damage build. Zerk vs Zerk usually means the first person that gets to 3 hits wins.
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So my Evis war that hits ele’s from 100% to down is not an issue? I don’t like it when people complain about completely normal dmg from a full damage build. Zerk vs Zerk usually means the first person that gets to 3 hits wins.
That scenario is as real as a Unicorn Donkey with Purple and Green Spots prancing about at the Crystal Desert gate at midnight of the first full moon of the Canthan year.
http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.
So my Evis war that hits ele’s from 100% to down is not an issue? I don’t like it when people complain about completely normal dmg from a full damage build. Zerk vs Zerk usually means the first person that gets to 3 hits wins.
That scenario is as real as a Unicorn Donkey with Purple and Green Spots prancing about at the Crystal Desert gate at midnight of the first full moon of the Canthan year.
Depending on which kind of mushrooms you eat that night, that could very well happen.
While Silver is raging here over hs dmg, I noob in wvw with my thief ele. Those two were lvl 80 thieves.
Fire grab: 45 sec cooldown, and cone attack
Dragon’s Tooth has a crazy long prehit time
Heartseeker: instant, ranged, homing, spammable skill
Do you really didn’t see a difference?
And I’m even not talking about: who they was? green arrows in zerk gear?
You can read the 2nd half of my previous post to find out the lvl of those two. I do see the difference, it’s actually so obvious that I almost haven’t played my thief since I made an ele 7 weeks ago.
You also need to get some facts right, HS has 3/4s cast time, it’s certainly not instant. Actually, it has same cast time as ranger autoattack, which costs no resources to use and can crit high too. See another of my attachments.
Your need to complain about thief dps is amusing, especially cos you play a condi engi and you can melt a zerker thief fast.
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