Guild Wars 2

Rifle or Longbow as the new weapon I mean.

It’s so redundant and contradictory to how the class plays.

Eh. I’m more for the idea of melee staff or “unarmed” offhand. Mainly since both can fit into the “sneaky” combat archetype. Although, maybe Rifle’d be mainly trick-shooting, which could:

• A: Be pretty interesting
• B: Probably fit in with Richochet … so imagine a Rifle, P/P setup.

Longbow? I personally don’t see that working out, but that’s just my 2 coppers.

Kurow.3076:

Rifle or Longbow as the new weapon I mean.

It’s so redundant and contradictory to how the class plays.

Well you can’t say that it’s redundant or contradictory to the way the class plays. It’s not redundant since we are the only class that does not have access to a 1200 range weapon set. The most we can get is 1050 and that’s only with a specific trait that benefits P/P more than anything else. And it’s not contradictory because we don’t know what the skill load-out will be yet. For all we know, the weapons could be right up the Thief’s alley.

I will admit that I’m not a fan of the Rifle idea. I know I’m in the minority and that many believe that we will get this weapon, but I just never liked rifles in this game. More of a Longbow guy myself, plus I have trouble envisioning how a rifle kit could be anything more than stick and shoot, which I find rather boring (and the primary reason why I don’t like using ranged sets for my main weapon). Like I said though, we don’t know what they’re planning with the weapon yet, so you never know. Still, I like the idea of the Longbow better as I can think of ways they could make it support a mobile combat style more easily.

I always though it would be neat if anet just added two skills and let us play single dagger. Single (no offhand) dagger already has a unique #3.

nekretaal.6485:

I always though it would be neat if anet just added two skills and let us play single dagger. Single (no offhand) dagger already has a unique #3.

That might be an interesting concept, but there’s the issue of stat balancing for a class that would only be using a main-hand weapon. Every piece of equipment give a bonus to stats. If they are going to make empty offhand even remotely viable, they’d have to find a way to make up for the lack of bonus stats that using only one weapon would bring.

Also, regarding Twisting Fangs, Death Blossom does everything that skill does, plus an extra stack of Bleeds and an evade for the same amount of initiative, so I see no real reason anyone would use that over D/D.

Yep you only one on whole wide internet!

Also anet confirmed that thieves are getting mace. Their reason was that thief has too many fast attacking weapons. They felt adding mace would help new players spend their initiative more wisely. Skills are :

1.) Apply weakness to target foe.
stealth.) Apply weakness to target foe AND deals damage.
2.) Apply weakness with a cleaving attack. Cripples foes without weakness. 2 initiative.
3.) Rush to target foe and apply weakness. Misses 50% of the time. 6 initiative.
4.) Whirl attack applying weakness to foes. Launches downed foes and npcs. 1 initiative.
5.) Wave of wrath foes in front of you applying cripple if they are standing still. 2 initiative.

Yes, mace being added as a two handed weapon to thief. Anet took this concept from thieves from where people asking for a two handed sword and applied their own little twist ;-)

Meh. They really are wedded to the concept that Staff=caster, if you’re correct.
Unfortunate, in that acrobatic Staff combat would be pretty stylish.

I’m still hoping for greatswords honestly. Samurai or jedi/sith ftw!

I wouldn’t worry about it Op, there is no chance in hell there going to give a thief a 1200 range wpn. they have stated it many years ago. And as a 1 handed wpn would be alot of balance, it’s safe to assume it;s going to be either a Great Sword or Staff (as they are the most asked for sets since launch)

Edit: i foolishly had won’t instead of wouldn’t, spelling r is hardz….

Highlie.7641:

I wouldn’t worry about it Op, there is no chance in hell there going to give a thief a 1200 range wpn. they have stated it many years ago. And as a 1 handed wpn would be alot of balance, it’s safe to assume it;s going to be either a Great Sword or Staff (as they are the most asked for sets since launch)

Edit: i foolishly had won’t instead of wouldn’t, spelling r is hardz….

When did they say this? I’ve never heard about it. And what reasoning did they give for it? It seems rather silly that even Warriors and Guardians, tanky as they have the potential to be, can out range us… It’s one thing if they just didn’t think to do it. It’s totally different however, if they actively avoided doing it. What’s more, how do you know that they haven’t changed their position? I mean the game has been out for 2 years. A lot can change and be learned in that time.

MightyMicah.7451:

I’m still hoping for greatswords honestly. Samurai or jedi/sith ftw!

Same…
Well hoping for something that will be stealthless and be able to survive at the same time.

LB and/or rifle are only “nice” because of the assumed 1200 range that would come with them.

Zero Day.2594:

MightyMicah.7451:

I’m still hoping for greatswords honestly. Samurai or jedi/sith ftw!

Same…
Well hoping for something that will be stealthless and be able to survive at the same time.

LB and/or rifle are only “nice” because of the assumed 1200 range that would come with them.

Well I mean technically everything is assumption now. We don’t have even the slightest bit of information about the thief specialization. And I think there is more to be excited about the Longbow and even the rifle (though I’m personally not feeling the latter) than just the range. I mean provided we’re holding onto the initiative system (and by the god’s, I hope we do…), that alone could make for some interesting possibilities for weapon skill kits. I for one would like a ranged weapon set that feels dynamic, for a change.

Speaking of info, has anything been said about when they might reveal more information on the various specializations?

Nope, nada.

Coming Friday they will show off the revenant, I believe.

It was a few years ago, i imagine if you look hard enough you will see the post somewhere in this forum. Look for OP Zaccaury he was always asking about Rifles for thieves chances are its posted on a thread by him. The reasoning behind it was Thieves would be OP, just think about this for a min. We have Stealth/Shadowsteps/and rolls, we would be uncatchable.

Zero Day.2594:

Nope, nada.

Coming Friday they will show off the revenant, I believe.

Ah kitten… All this waiting without any new information is driving me insane, especially when it comes to what the Thief will be able specialize in. There’s so much they could change that would be awesome… And there are things they could do that would completely turn me off and make me want to stick with the base profession. Either way, not knowing is gonna drive me up the walls.

MightyMicah.7451:

I’m still hoping for greatswords honestly. Samurai or jedi/sith ftw!

I lol’d.

Kurow.3076:

Rifle or Longbow as the new weapon I mean.

It’s so redundant and contradictory to how the class plays.

And how does the class play? Please don’t tell me is is pure melee burst because that is false.

Give me my mobile archer with no gimmicky perma-stealthstealth/blindspam crap. I don’t care on what class. It just fits the bill best on thief since it lacks 1200 range and only has one option for stealth-less play, but S/P PW is pretty bad.

x.X in reality i will probably end up rolling a revenant… their resource system isnt far off of thief’s from what it seems
Plus they’re medium health and heavy armor… which means beefy, stealthless too
Oh and they throw hammers… “our” melee weapons are their ranged weapons… (watch it be 1200 range too on hammers…. lol (probably 900 or under))

Zero Day.2594:

x.X in reality i will probably end up rolling a revenant… their resource system isnt far off of thief’s from what it seems
Plus they’re medium health and heavy armor… which means beefy, stealthless too
Oh and they throw hammers… “our” melee weapons are their ranged weapons… (watch it be 1200 range too on hammers…. lol (probably 900 or under))

Well, tbh…currently, my Guardian is my second main in case they kitten on Thief extremely hard. It’s fully equipped with legendaries and ascended…and come the HoT release, I feel like Revenant will also replace my Thief as primary main and push the Thief into the third main.

I’m just hoping that the new weapon Thief gets access to isn’t the rifle or longbow. Honestly, a stealthless sword offhand or greatsword, and even a melee staff (as some have suggested) would be much better suited for the initiative system and general Thief gameplay.

I had some great ideas for the sword offhand, but it’s not worth noting down at the moment, since HoT seems complete already with bugs being worked on currently.

I don’t want any ranged weapons.

Guys, we all know were going to be getting either a mace or axe with really lame abilities.

I would really love to smack the crap out of guardians with a staff though

Kurow.3076:

Rifle or Longbow as the new weapon I mean.

It’s so redundant and contradictory to how the class plays.

With Shortbow we have AoE, Poison and Mobility.
With Pistols we have Damage, AoE, Stun, Immobilization.

So logicly what’s left is Stealth. Will Rifle have Stealth?

Also, to think that a Thief is just one Lasso away from pulling Indiana Jones. I would ruther we got a Lasso.

Offhand sword HYPE!

#anetpls

I’m aboard the offhand Sword idea

At first I really didnt like the rifle weapon but now that I think more of it, it would be an interesting choice. Thiefs right now Are all about the melee. Having that 1200 option would be interesting, while I see it as a more viable option in wvw than spvp with the way the thief role has there (unless 5 rifle abilties can drastically change thief playstyle somehow).

Im guessing rifle wouldnt be to bursty like the ranger rapid fire as mixing such burst with the movement/stealth we have could be a dangerous route. In any case the rifle would most likely not be a viable option in pve with possible lack of dps.

My wishthinking is to be a sniper with stealth but again it can easily be OP :o) Like an ability ‘Camo shot’ where you automatically on 1 sec charge up/channel enter stealth and BOOM HEADSHOT, and bullet pierces through target dealing 75% with bleed on the next, and on the third 50% with 0.5 sec daze. Or *Rapid shot’ where you have to stand still unable to move while bursting 3 shots onto the target, like pop pop pop, while adding a slow during channel or even fear.

Advent.6193:

Meh. They really are wedded to the concept that Staff=caster, if you’re correct.
Unfortunate, in that acrobatic Staff combat would be pretty stylish.

Revenant is getting that. See the trailer.

Shiyo.3578:

I don’t want any ranged weapons.

With Revenant be abel to use Hammer as a ranged weapon, perhapes our Rifle would be used as a melee weapon.

Gamblit.5041:

Shiyo.3578:

I don’t want any ranged weapons.

With Revenant be abel to use Hammer as a ranged weapon, perhapes our Rifle would be used as a melee weapon.

Oh man the forums may drive me crazy if they don’t release more info, I think next are specializations.

prob gonna get Main Hand/Off Hand Axe…would be nice to see my thief with 2 axes going crazy all around the place. Just hoping that they won’t ruin it with LB, Rifle, Maces, Hammers…A thief’s gotta thief…

I want something that doesn’t fit the ‘assassin/sniper/ninja’ theme that everyone is slinging around. Something unique like warhorn or focus that’s not expected. Rifle is too much of an obvious choice.

ranged weapon is useless in every way.
not sure why people want that.
range weapon generally do bad damage most of the time, in pve people just stack and melee.

in pvp, blink and aoe poison and weakness will always be better with 2 for cleave, too much utility. (like no warrior will take rifle over longbow)

warhorn would be cool too, interesting indeed.

Simon.3794:

ranged weapon is useless in every way.
not sure why people want that.
range weapon generally do bad damage most of the time, in pve people just stack and melee.

in pvp, blink and aoe poison and weakness will always be better with 2 for cleave, too much utility. (like no warrior will take rifle over longbow)

warhorn would be cool too, interesting indeed.

Upcoming released/unreleased changes can make you rethink that, I have a feeling they may be learning from the past maybe.

Kurow.3076:

Rifle or Longbow as the new weapon I mean.

It’s so redundant and contradictory to how the class plays.

Dual swords is about the only one I can think of that would still work for thief.

You realize they’re getting a specialization that’s getting the new weapon. Maybe rifle doesn’t make sense on thief but it might on the specialization.