Guild Wars 2

Because it’s pve meta!

Can anet delete this topic? Its stupid.

^ lol .

We need this weaponset for thief to showcase their 100-0 burst montage on youtube. Ofc with all the deaths edited out.

No ! D/D rules

Don’t listen to people or go for meta-builds, make your own build one that fits your style, that is what GW is all about

d/d is straight broken in WvW lol.

Skugga.5298:

No ! D/D rules

Don’t listen to people or go for meta-builds, make your own build one that fits your style, that is what GW is all about

I love the idea of D/D but I just can’t see how it rules right now? I would love to dual wield Incinerators, but I also enjoy not dying!

I have been thinking of this aswell.
Why would we even have that set since its not even close to be viable?

A little adjustment from ANET and it could be viable again.. But then again, with all passive procs+ aegis, blocks and kitten.. D/D would be destroyed in 2sec.

Could this fix or help D/D somewhat?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Mirrored-weapons-thief-passive/first#post6244731

Well SA should be working well with D/D imo.. They just have to adjust SA before D/D can be viable.

D/D is much harder to play, therefor stealth with D/D should be longer.

Kaffeglass.5371:

Well SA should be working well with D/D imo.. They just have to adjust SA before D/D can be viable.

D/D is much harder to play, therefor stealth with D/D should be longer.

My link in the post above yours gives dd some tweaking to strengthen the chance of getting the backstab

Imo, weapons with thief are a bit more fluid and in turn need additional traits with them – ie. One condi and one power for dagger; of which would be attached to another trait which matches it perfectly or as much as it can

Ie. Power dagger would go with hidden killer or side strikes to boost the damage on backstab

Where as condi would combine leech venoms and dagger training

Thus giving greater option to how to play your daggers, especially with it being a hybrid weapon

The more decoupling of traits from weapon combinations, the better. Traits shouldn’t fix weapon sets or allow them to work. Stats should. Traits should affect how a given player in general approaches combat.

DeceiverX.8361:

The more decoupling of traits from weapon combinations, the better. Traits shouldn’t fix weapon sets or allow them to work. Stats should. Traits should affect how a given player in general approaches combat.

I’ve been saying this for a long time. There was a long stretch of time where Anet seemed to be obsessed with fixing skill issues through trait updates, which is a terrible balancing paradigm.

Einlanzer.1627:

DeceiverX.8361:

The more decoupling of traits from weapon combinations, the better. Traits shouldn’t fix weapon sets or allow them to work. Stats should. Traits should affect how a given player in general approaches combat.

I’ve been saying this for a long time. There was a long stretch of time where Anet seemed to be obsessed with fixing skill issues through trait updates, which is a terrible balancing paradigm.

You and me both. I recall numerous threads where we agreed on the issue and had similar balance philosophies.

Replace it with Torch/Torch.

Yessss. that’s the best weapon set I have ever heard. Please add torch/torch next expansion.

So unconventional

Even better start allowing 1 handed weapons to be used with two handed weapons. like Greatsword/sword or something. Let get even more extreme. Greatsword/ Greatsword. (Everyone would want two legendary great-swords in their hands.)

There is a thief npc in one of the bandit camps in brisban wildlands that uses pistol/torch. He has a skill where he fires his bullets through the torch fire to stack burning on you. I though HoT would introduce torch to thief because their is already an NPC with this weapon set.

d/d condi is super broken atm if played right.
d/d stealth zerk, is strong BUT probably the hardest set to use in pvp.
d/d evasion+zerk is relativly weak but done right can make any situation in its favor, although d/p would be better for that

I was considering rolling thief, im mostly interested in dare devil, but d/d is such an important weapon set id rather not play a thief after all.

More like they should delete balancing team.

Cynz.9437:

More like they should delete balancing team.

wich team? pvp only focus’s on amulet and runes, and there is another team for pve/wvw skill’s wich screws up pvp in the end game… nice brain-cells.

This is still a thing?

D/D is for condi because of the 3rd weapon skill, how about accepting this fact and stop QQ about that D/D sucks……

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D/D shouldn’t be about spamming 3 mindlessly while getting free kills.

Nothing in this game should be like that.

Maybe if they properly redesigned the kit, it’d be good for both builds?

Condi D/D may be annoying to fight against, and it may be mainly about spamming 3 (and dodge) but really, how is that much different then the main Power D/P or P/P build?

They are all gimmick builds around getting off one specific combo.

D/P thieves can 100%-0% most classes in 0.5 seconds if they get the drop on them, and no one complains about them.

P/P thieves can spam 3 as well, and you people don’t complain about them.

The stigma against condi DB thieves stems from their ability to pull off heavy condi damage with one button, while retaining high survival capabilities. This is mostly a difficulty in PvP where you have to match or exceed their evades and conditions on a point.

In WvW anyone with mobility and a strong ranged weapon can kite and take out a DB thief, but if they have dire they can (sometimes) afford to make a few mistakes and survive bursts until their CDs pop. Most D/D thieves doing this are going to be taking dire. This is not really the case with D/P and P/P thieves, who can be taken down quickly in between stealths/bursts due to their glassy stats. P/P has a worst time of it in any game mode now that everyone carries reflects and they have no real defense/kiting that doesn’t eat up initiative for their Unload.

yes, Death Blossom can stack bleeds, but it takes time to build up. by the time you use death blossom to stack 15 bleeds your opponent has cleared the condi’s at least once. sure you can reapply them with either Lotus Training or Death blossom, but it takes time. It’s not like plague signet or a shatter burst.

Also, you keep complaining about Death Blossom, but the real threat is Lotus Training’s Impaling Lotus +Uncatchable’s Caltrops.

It’s a mix of being one-skill-wonders with probably the lowest skill floor in the game paired with having what is probably one of the most absurd damage application abilities in the game which lets them get evades while simultaneously dealing damage. Either or is fine (see power thief). D/D condi with the animation changes is just stupidly safe and quite frankly one of the few continuous cancers that just seem to keep spreading to trying to make the game as a whole less interactive in respects to its PvP and class design.

Caltrops is weak. Uncatchable and LT (LT sucks) are whatever. The issue is Death Blossom’s evade.

And no, D/D condi thief does not have a slow condition buildup time. I can get my own to start ticking for around 3-5k condition ticks in about two seconds. It’s got some of the best potential in the game for condi burst.

Death blossom applies 3 bleeds at a time, steal applies 6 confusion. death blossom takes 3/4 a second. so in 2 seconds assuming you only use steal and Death blossom you can get 9 bleeds on an opponent. that’s not enough to tick for 3.5k

Spider Venom, Steal into dodges, extra two poison on steal from DA.

11-13 bleeding, 8 poison, 1 torment , 5 confusion, weakness, cripple, assuming no on-crit effects or DT procs.

All applied while evading.

Ah.so you run a different build then i do. you’s is much glassier. but still that’s not just using one skill that’s using a venom and steal as well. so it still takes set up.

Besides, that build is trash.

Lol, pull the other one will ya “more glassier” no such thing as a glass condi build, especially while evading.

Glassy D/D condi Daredevil? LOL.

I mean c’mon if the set itself wasn’t as much of a crutch as it is and the only stat available was full viper, maybe there’d be a somewhat cohesive argument.

But Dire/TB evasion is one of the most durable builds out there for its killing speed right now unless you’re literally just horrible.