Guild Wars 2

Hi all,

For the talent Ankle shots in the critical strikes tree…

Critical hits with a pistol have a 60% chance to cripple foes for 3s. (Cooldown of 10 seconds).

… does this only apply to pistols in main hand or to both main and off hand pistols?

Thanks in advance :

I believe it applies to both, but you won’t be using the offhand pistol skills as your main attack skills anyways. Blinding powder has a heavy initiative cost and is utilized for the blinding smoke field instead of attacking, and head shot is only really reserved for interrupts.

So if you are only using an offhand pistol, it won’t be a good trait since there will be few opportunities to really proc it. It’s only really worth running if you have a main-hand pistol. I use this trait on my dual pistol build, for instance, but I wouldn’t use it on a dagger/pistol build.

This trait is trash, use side strike + pistol mastery insead.

akbhx.3027:

Hi all,

For the talent Ankle shots in the critical strikes tree…

Critical hits with a pistol have a 60% chance to cripple foes for 3s. (Cooldown of 10 seconds).

… does this only apply to pistols in main hand or to both main and off hand pistols?

Thanks in advance :

In practice, it is difficult to notice a 3s cripple done by your off-hand pistol since the only damage skill is Headshot. The trigger of this trait is more noticeable when using Unload.

However, there are far better trait that you can use to cripple your target. Uncatchable is far better option because it’s not limited by an internal cooldown and no RNG — Ankle shot has double layer RNG (crit chance and 60% chance off of crit).

It would apply to mainhand (1-2) and offhand (4-5). Skill #3 is a dual-wield skill so it wouldn’t apply. Even if you’re running P/P.

As to whether you should use it……

Seras.5702:

It would apply to mainhand (1-2) and offhand (4-5). Skill #3 is a dual-wield skill so it wouldn’t apply. Even if you’re running P/P.

As to whether you should use it……

Unload does work with it, it was a popular build in beta before the nerf to Ankle Shots that added the ICD. I don’t know why you think it doesn’t.

Seras.5702:

It would apply to mainhand (1-2) and offhand (4-5). Skill #3 is a dual-wield skill so it wouldn’t apply. Even if you’re running P/P.

As to whether you should use it……

That’s simply not true. It triggers on Unload.

The double layered RNG might have clouded your perception.

We have a very weird mechanic there…
If your main hand weapon is a pistol, skills 1, 2 and 3 can trigger this effect.
It’s getting funny for the skills 4 and 5: if both your weapons are pistols, it works, if your main weapon is not a pistol, it dosen’t, even if your second weapon is a pistol.

(More weird informations : all hits of the skill 3 are always considered as dealt with the main hand weapon. So for exemple if you have a pistol and a dagger, the dagger hit of Shadow Strike is considered like a pistol shot, so it’s affected by all the pistols traits except for riccochet)

If I can give you an advice, test this kind of thing by yourself in spvp with steady weapons. As you can see, sometimes it’s realy counter-intuitive .

Hope I was clear, still not confident with my english ^^

Thanks for the information guys, it’s helped a lot.

Cheers

Keth.1968:

We have a very weird mechanic there…
If your main hand weapon is a pistol, skills 1, 2 and 3 can trigger this effect.
It’s getting funny for the skills 4 and 5: if both your weapons are pistols, it works, if your main weapon is not a pistol, it dosen’t, even if your second weapon is a pistol.

Well it does. The problem is that a crit has to happen, then 60% of when the crit happen it triggers. So 40% of your crits will not trigger this — and 100% of your crits will not trigger this when it is in cooldown.

To make it more clearly;
1) Did you crit?
1.1) If crits is yes, check if Ankle Shots is in CD?
1.1.1) If in CD is yes, no cripple.
1.1.2) If in CD is no, roll a 10-sided dice.
1.1.2.1) if roll is 1-6, cripple
1.1.2.2) if roll is 7-10, no cripple
1.2) If crits is no, no cripple

(More weird informations : all hits of the skill 3 are always considered as dealt with the main hand weapon. So for exemple if you have a pistol and a dagger, the dagger hit of Shadow Strike is considered like a pistol shot, so it’s affected by all the pistols traits except for riccochet)

That’s not weird at all because Shadow Strike is a pistol skill. Or better yet, #3 skills, whether dual-wield skill or not, is a main-hand weapon skill.

My mistake. I was under the impression that dual-wield skills were treated seperately. So to clarify for me…
P/D #3 not affected by Ankle Shot?
D/P #3 not affected by Ankle Shot?
P/P #3 is affected by Ankle Shot?

Seras.5702:

My mistake. I was under the impression that dual-wield skills were treated seperately. So to clarify for me…
P/D #3 not affected by Ankle Shot?
D/P #3 not affected by Ankle Shot?
P/P #3 is affected by Ankle Shot?

3 is a main weapon skill.
So…
P/D or P/P : your main weapon is a pistol, it works.
D/P : your main weapon is a dagger, 3 can’t trigger the effect, even with the first hit.
Edit : this isn’t even an hit :s

Sir Vincent III.1286:

You’re insulting my intelligence ^^ have you tested by yourself ?
Headshot and black powder never trigger ankle shot if the main weapon isn’t a pistol.
(there is still the possibility that’s only true in spvp ^^)

Dual weapon skills are main weapon skills.
Shadow Strike is a great exemple. This skill deal a dagger hit, shadowstep you backward, then deal a pistol shot. Both hits are affected by pistols traits like ankle shot or pistol mastery. And the traits dagger training doesn’t affect it at all. So it’s not weird for a mechanic point of view, but for a logic point of view, you see a dagger hit affected by pistol training.

Edit : Other good way to figure out that 3 is a main weapon skill : change your second weapon for the same type but with a lower lever, the skill damage will not be affected (if both weapon have no power)

I hope I didn’t make too much english mistakes ^^

Sir Vincent III.1286:

akbhx.3027:

Hi all,

For the talent Ankle shots in the critical strikes tree…

Critical hits with a pistol have a 60% chance to cripple foes for 3s. (Cooldown of 10 seconds).

… does this only apply to pistols in main hand or to both main and off hand pistols?

Thanks in advance :

In practice, it is difficult to notice a 3s cripple done by your off-hand pistol since the only damage skill is Headshot. The trigger of this trait is more noticeable when using Unload.

However, there are far better trait that you can use to cripple your target. Uncatchable is far better option because it’s not limited by an internal cooldown and no RNG — Ankle shot has double layer RNG (crit chance and 60% chance off of crit).

Black powder does damage.

If you’re in PvE just take pistol/dagger for cripple every time.

Keth.1968:

You’re insulting my intelligence ^^ have you tested by yourself ?

I’ve used P/P ever since and have used Ankle Shots.

Headshot and black powder never trigger ankle shot if the main weapon isn’t a pistol.
(there is still the possibility that’s only true in spvp ^^)

You have to prove that claim and in return, I will prove my claim also. Fair enough?

Dual weapon skills are main weapon skills.
Shadow Strike is a great exemple. This skill deal a dagger hit, shadowstep you backward, then deal a pistol shot. Both hits are affected by pistols traits like ankle shot or pistol mastery. And the traits dagger training doesn’t affect it at all. So it’s not weird for a mechanic point of view, but for a logic point of view, you see a dagger hit affected by pistol training.

No, I see a “pistol skill” affected by “pistol” training.

Really really hard to explain those stuff in english ^^

I think you did well.

Zacchary.6183:

Black powder does damage.

I’ve never seen it crit though.

Have you? If so, did it triggered Ankle Shots?

I left it out since it’s irrelevant how often you’d use BP to trigger Ankle Shots. :/

It probably seems as though it never crits because the damage is so minute. However I run with 40% crit chance minimum and I can tell you I have seen it crit…. for ~230.

In fact I have seen Critical Haste proc right after I shot black powder.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Keth.1968:

You’re insulting my intelligence ^^ have you tested by yourself ?

I’ve used P/P ever since and have used Ankle Shots.

Yeah but I was talking about S/P or D/P ! It’s all my point !
I said “head shot dosen’t trigger ankle shot if your main weapon is not a pistol”, if you respond “it works with P/P”, you’re almost saying the same thing than me ^^

Headshot and black powder never trigger ankle shot if the main weapon isn’t a pistol.
(there is still the possibility that’s only true in spvp ^^)

You have to prove that claim and in return, I will prove my claim also. Fair enough?

Can’t see how to prove it… do like me : go to hearts of the mists’ golems, and spam head shot with P/D, rampager’s amulet, agility signet and precision runes equipped and 30 critical art (74% crit chance)… after 10m of this without any ankle shot triggering, you can still argue it was bad luck :s

Dual weapon skills are main weapon skills.
Shadow Strike is a great exemple. This skill deal a dagger hit, shadowstep you backward, then deal a pistol shot. Both hits are affected by pistols traits like ankle shot or pistol mastery. And the traits dagger training doesn’t affect it at all. So it’s not weird for a mechanic point of view, but for a logic point of view, you see a dagger hit affected by pistol training.

No, I see a “pistol skill” affected by “pistol” training.

Come on that’s my point again ^^
It’s a pistol skill, and ONLY a pistol skill.
Ok “dual wield” is a thing, but it dosn’t mean those skill use both weapons. It’s just a classification.

Really really hard to explain those stuff in english ^^

I think you did well.

ty ^^

Zacchary.6183:

Zacchary.6183:

Black powder does damage.

I’ve never seen it crit though.

Have you? If so, did it triggered Ankle Shots?

I left it out since it’s irrelevant how often you’d use BP to trigger Ankle Shots. :/

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As I said, it can trigger ankle shot if the man weapon is a pistol.

Zacchary.6183:

It probably seems as though it never crits because the damage is so minute. However I run with 40% crit chance minimum and I can tell you I have seen it crit…. for ~230.

In fact I have seen Critical Haste proc right after I shot black powder.

Interesting. That’s news to me. I’ve never been in a circumstances where my BP actually hit something, let alone trigger a crit.

Thanks

Keth.1968:

Yeah but I was talking about S/P or D/P ! It’s all my point !
I said “head shot dosen’t trigger ankle shot if your main weapon is not a pistol”, if you respond “it works with P/P”, you’re almost saying the same thing than me ^^

I already explained it. Skills #1-#3 are skills from your main hand and skills #4-#5 are skills from your off hand.

Obviously, Skill #3 from S/P and D/P will not trigger Ankle Shots even though in animation it shows that you are using your pistol.

Can’t see how to prove it… do like me : go to hearts of the mists’ golems, and spam head shot with P/D, rampager’s amulet, agility signet and precision runes equipped and 30 critical art (74% crit chance)… after 10m of this without any ankle shot triggering, you can still argue it was bad luck :s

One problem. P/D don’t have Headshots. :/

But if you meant D/P, that’s exactly what I will do when I get home tonight.

Come on that’s my point again ^^
It’s a pistol skill, and ONLY a pistol skill.
Ok “dual wield” is a thing, but it dosn’t mean those skill use both weapons. It’s just a classification.

S/P #3 IS NOT a pistol skill.
D/P #3 IS NOT a pistol skill.
P/D #3 IS a pistol skill.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

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Reed my first post again…

We have a very weird mechanic there…
If your main hand weapon is a pistol, skills 1, 2 and 3 can trigger this effect.
It’s getting funny for the skills 4 and 5: if both your weapons are pistols, it works, if your main weapon is not a pistol, it dosen’t, even if your second weapon is a pistol.

(More weird informations : all hits of the skill 3 are always considered as dealt with the main hand weapon. So for exemple if you have a pistol and a dagger, the dagger hit of Shadow Strike is considered like a pistol shot, so it’s affected by all the pistols traits except for riccochet)

If I can give you an advice, test this kind of thing by yourself in spvp with steady weapons. As you can see, sometimes it’s realy counter-intuitive .

Hope I was clear, still not confident with my english ^^

I don’t see what else I can do, you’re just repeating what I said :s

About the “weird” stuff, for us who knows how 3 works, it’s not weird I agree. For any people trying to guess how it works, it’s weird, because they see skills showing the character using 2 weapons, called “dual wield”, but only affected by one of the 2 weapons.

Yep I mixed up de “p” and the “d”, but I’m really focused on trying to speak a language I’m not used to ^^