Guild Wars 2

Seriously. It’s like they don’t even realize the set exists. ICD on stealth attacks was fair for D/P, but D/D has nothing to do when (because everyone and their mother has passive blocks/evades/invulns/blurs these days) the backstab whiffs.

Not to mention the BV change strictly nerfs reliability of D/D with mug/CnD no longer being unblockable, and venom play/running multiple thieves with BV up is redundant and strictly wasteful.

I’m pretty disgusted by the profession balance changes. Buffs to condi mesmer and barely touching scrapper/druid durability…. what the hell is this?

100% agree. Could not believe what I was reading. Direct nerfs to our weakest set and our strongest set goes basically untouched. We’ve been begging and begging for changes to OH dagger for so long now so that D/D is playable and Anet replies by nerfing it.

The kicker is that I reckon they aren’t even aware that this hits D/D harder than D/P. It’s just yet another sign of incompetance and further reassures me that nobody at Anet plays Thief AT ALL, and even if they did, they don’t have any understanding of the class.

And why on earth they bothered touching BV at all, considering in it’s former state it was IMO perfect, is beyond me.

The longer stun and traitless share on BV is powerful and IMO better for skirmish play.

Backstab and Staff nerf is understandable but it is appropriate to buff D/D in some way regardless of these changes.

Played D/D since release and this is probably the worse the set has EVER been. Its manageable but now extremely difficult to land a backstab at all, due to no follow-up.

Chaser.5683:

Played D/D since release and this is probably the worse the set has EVER been. Its manageable but now extremely difficult to land a backstab at all, due to no follow-up.

I would agree with this statement. I cannot remember a time D/D was weaker.

It’s an overall power build nerf in exchange for a hybrid/condition build buffs. Not requiring to trait for VA in order to share venom and venom CDR is what this balance patch is all about.

DeceiverX.8361:

Seriously. It’s like they don’t even realize the set exists. ICD on stealth attacks was fair for D/P, but D/D has nothing to do when (because everyone and their mother has passive blocks/evades/invulns/blurs these days) the backstab whiffs.

Not to mention the BV change strictly nerfs reliability of D/D with mug/CnD no longer being unblockable, and venom play/running multiple thieves with BV up is redundant and strictly wasteful.

I’m pretty disgusted by the profession balance changes. Buffs to condi mesmer and barely touching scrapper/druid durability…. what the hell is this?

It’s a nerf to all your weapons. SB, Dagger, Sword, and Staff. The ONLY weapon I see making out ok is pistol due to the channeling of the stealth attack. Thought the question remains if someone dodges the 1st bullet but get lit up on all the follow ups do they dodge the boon removal?

Either way you need to stop crying about specific weaponsets and look at the entire picture. When you all sit here lobbying to nerf your own weaponsets b/c it’s not your favorite does nothing but put thieves in a REALLY bad spot. You already know that the devs don’t play your class and for the life of them can’t understand kitten about it….so why are you going to advocate for nerfs when you know you ain’t getting kitten for your precious d/d.

IMHO y’all need to knock off the trying to nerf your own class and focus more on getting it into the metas of this game. EVERY class in this game has 1 build for the meta and it’s not changing anytime soon. So you have a choice:

1. Come together and get your class included in the metas
2. Bicker and continually get nerfed even more into uselessness

Just face it, d/d will be no longer viable anymore. I gave up long time ago and the sooner you do it, the better.

Azukas.1426:

DeceiverX.8361:

Seriously. It’s like they don’t even realize the set exists. ICD on stealth attacks was fair for D/P, but D/D has nothing to do when (because everyone and their mother has passive blocks/evades/invulns/blurs these days) the backstab whiffs.

Not to mention the BV change strictly nerfs reliability of D/D with mug/CnD no longer being unblockable, and venom play/running multiple thieves with BV up is redundant and strictly wasteful.

I’m pretty disgusted by the profession balance changes. Buffs to condi mesmer and barely touching scrapper/druid durability…. what the hell is this?

It’s a nerf to all your weapons. SB, Dagger, Sword, and Staff. The ONLY weapon I see making out ok is pistol due to the channeling of the stealth attack. Thought the question remains if someone dodges the 1st bullet but get lit up on all the follow ups do they dodge the boon removal?

Either way you need to stop crying about specific weaponsets and look at the entire picture. When you all sit here lobbying to nerf your own weaponsets b/c it’s not your favorite does nothing but put thieves in a REALLY bad spot. You already know that the devs don’t play your class and for the life of them can’t understand kitten about it….so why are you going to advocate for nerfs when you know you ain’t getting kitten for your precious d/d.

IMHO y’all need to knock off the trying to nerf your own class and focus more on getting it into the metas of this game. EVERY class in this game has 1 build for the meta and it’s not changing anytime soon. So you have a choice:

1. Come together and get your class included in the metas
2. Bicker and continually get nerfed even more into uselessness

I was waiting for the salt to enter this thread. It was bound to happen at some point. The options you provide and opinion you voice have very little to do with the problem at hand. No one called for nerfs to thief so that argument is irrelevant. Also this nerf hurts one set more than others due to low stealth up time from CnD. Now please, stop preaching the meta in a thread that has nothing to do with it. D/D has been out of the meta for years. The ones whom have not converted to playing D/P Staff perma stealth yet most likely do not plan to. Thanks, have a nice day.

Chaser.5683:

Azukas.1426:

DeceiverX.8361:

Seriously. It’s like they don’t even realize the set exists. ICD on stealth attacks was fair for D/P, but D/D has nothing to do when (because everyone and their mother has passive blocks/evades/invulns/blurs these days) the backstab whiffs.

Not to mention the BV change strictly nerfs reliability of D/D with mug/CnD no longer being unblockable, and venom play/running multiple thieves with BV up is redundant and strictly wasteful.

I’m pretty disgusted by the profession balance changes. Buffs to condi mesmer and barely touching scrapper/druid durability…. what the hell is this?

It’s a nerf to all your weapons. SB, Dagger, Sword, and Staff. The ONLY weapon I see making out ok is pistol due to the channeling of the stealth attack. Thought the question remains if someone dodges the 1st bullet but get lit up on all the follow ups do they dodge the boon removal?

Either way you need to stop crying about specific weaponsets and look at the entire picture. When you all sit here lobbying to nerf your own weaponsets b/c it’s not your favorite does nothing but put thieves in a REALLY bad spot. You already know that the devs don’t play your class and for the life of them can’t understand kitten about it….so why are you going to advocate for nerfs when you know you ain’t getting kitten for your precious d/d.

IMHO y’all need to knock off the trying to nerf your own class and focus more on getting it into the metas of this game. EVERY class in this game has 1 build for the meta and it’s not changing anytime soon. So you have a choice:

1. Come together and get your class included in the metas
2. Bicker and continually get nerfed even more into uselessness

I was waiting for the salt to enter this thread. It was bound to happen at some point. The options you provide and opinion you voice have very little to do with the problem at hand. No one called for nerfs to thief so that argument is irrelevant. Also this nerf hurts one set more than others due to low stealth up time from CnD. Now please, stop preaching the meta in a thread that has nothing to do with it. D/D has been out of the meta for years. The ones whom have not converted to playing D/P Staff perma stealth yet most likely do not plan to. Thanks, have a nice day.

Here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Not-one-thief-in-Finals/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/How-to-make-d-d-viable/first

that’s just 2 threads I found

This one is on this page and the normal offenders are at it again:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/And-another-nerf-is-in/first#post6257040

Terissimo.6852:

Just face it, d/d will be no longer viable anymore. I gave up long time ago and the sooner you do it, the better.

It was only ever viable in 2012. I stopped playing sPvP altogether because it was non-functional. It still had some purpose in WvW, and I built a reputation for being one of the few good enough with the set to actually make it function well enough to be acknowledged.

I’m not switching sets or builds. I’m switching games or hobbies. I have nothing but discontent while playing D/P or any of the other sets on thief. Thief’s gone downhill fast and hard since HoT, and I have no respect for D/P or Daredevil. D/D was fun, which is why I’m here to play games. Fun trumps competition and makes one determined to get better and enjoy the fruits of their labor. I’m not here just to win because winning means nothing in this game (even the pros laugh at the tournaments they’re getting paid to play in). If I only got joy from winning, I wouldn’t play video games lol. Too much grand-scheme loss in them to justify that one.

As far as people asking for thief nerfs, Azukas,, most esteemed thieves will admit Shadow Shot is wildly overtuned, and most thieves running D/P get carried by it. It’s why D/P isn’t affected by the stealth attack changes much; two Shadow Shots is more damage than Bp → HS → Backstab with better reliability and CC as well.

Azukas.1426:

Here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Not-one-thief-in-Finals/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/How-to-make-d-d-viable/first

that’s just 2 threads I found

This one is on this page and the normal offenders are at it again:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/And-another-nerf-is-in/first#post6257040

I really don’t get what your problem is – what is your agenda? Silence everybody who enjoyed this game for a certain set and playstyle because you don’t understand how anyone can do that?
If you want me to play D/P I could as well play ranger or scrapper, or necro or or or – I don’t want that – because it’s no fun to me. I played this game for D/D thief and nothing else – I guess having 6 D/D thieves kind of proves that. And yes, there are stupid people like me around, for any set for any class.

ETA: And in case you think we all want D/P to be nerfed into the ground: No, that’s not the point: We want anet to realize that (I said it in another thread) D/P thief is okayish in comparison with any other class but completely OP in comparison with any other thief set. As long as anet doesn’t realize what D/P can do and how the traits and weapon skills fail every other set there’s no hope for anything else than D/P. You should try to see this as well, so you get where we are coming from and don’t need to second hand insult me like in your post above.

The nerf is not as great as suggested but it does lead to one more reason not to use d/d power. I was expecting at least some changes to Dancing dagger and or CnD to help the set here.

Pulling off a CnD in the current environment with blocks/dodges/Aoe abounding needs a much better reward.

The nerf is actually terrible, especially for power D/D as we can’t just port and BS our enemy, we have to run after them. Turning after a CnD alone takes time – you only have one chance to get your BS in.
Also that I have to wait 1 s after a failed stomp is lethal.

Offhand Dagger is definitely in a god awful spot. I’ve been running it lately as I decided to use it in PVE to fit my Assassin theme more and therefore ended up running it in PvP/WvW. While you CAN beat people SOMETIMES, it’s a huuuuge uphill battle and requires such careful play that you can easily get rekt if you make one mistake. Obviously, running such a risky set is detrimental especially when D/P does it much better and with less risk to the player….

The stealth attack nerf did hit D/D way harder than it hit D/P. I keep saying this but they should really make offhand dagger have a blind on cloak and dagger… at this point in the game, there’s no reason for it not to. D/P can blind way more, stay in stealth way more, and outdamage any set running offhand dagger, having blind on cloak and dagger wouldn’t even bring the offhand dagger on par with D/P but it would help a LOT. Landing CnD is a pain in the kitten in the current meta. We need to actually be rewarded for it instead of simply getting rekt in stealth right after landing it.

This nerf wouldn’t of been half as bad if they did something to off hand dagger. I once used dancing dagger on an engie and it was obstructed but he was able to pull me using magnet…Seems legit. Oh and was both stationary too. Anyway dancing dagger needs a better projectile path because atm it misses far too much using it on people coming at you head on, misses 90% of the time when using it vs people at a different angel

Really can’t think what to do with cnd, someone suggested some sort of port wich I think is bad because other s/d already has a port and p/d you could just spam that and shadow strike for easy torment stacks.

The only solution to the D/D (and by extension P/P) is to give the weapon set its unique 5 skills without sharing any skills with other weapon set. Basically a 5 skill dual-wield similar to what happen to skill #3, instead affecting all 5 skills.

I have this idea in my signature for so long and all these salt will turn to sugar if ArenaNet realizes that their efforts to keep this current setup is nothing but a waste of resources.

Why CnD sucks? Because of S/D and P/D
Why main dagger skill sucks? Because of D/P

You can’t solve this problem as long as those remain true.

exactly that. all weapon sets that use different weapons between main and off hand are “good” but both p/p and d/d that use the same in both hands are trash. luckily p/p now has bound so they can stealth but apart from that, its unload that carrys the set wich can get shut down just by reflects.

I’m actually rather fine with D/D – or better was, before some noob decided to shred thief into pieces. It’s not just D/D and P/P that sucks, it’s all about thief, D/P can just deal better with it.

Eidt: spelling