every one is theory-crafting about how great this is, i do not doubt it is but, again, has any one TESTED this and have some numbers for us?! im at work and can only do this in 6h…
I don’t think “great” is the best word for it, it’s just taking signet and spreading its damage across a greater time, instead of loading it all into backstab for a huge burst.
It’s rightfully meant to hit builds that relied entirely on backstab/steal, and rightfully meant to help Pistol/Pistol & Sword/dagger, and other builds that relied on doing more than one thing. I’m at work too at the moment, but basically what you’ll see is a slight increase in overall damage and a decrease to burst, especially if that burst relied on signet/backstab.
Personally, as a guy who does Pistol/Pistol a lot along with Dagger/Dagger, I like the possibilities, since the signet is wasted a lot with those builds. 
Hmm…. I think I’ll add Assassin signet to my utility bar and try it out might be amusing to see how much faster I can kill people now.
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mrsrachelm, I disagree. If anything this will benefit you in pve if you do mob farming etc.
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This cannot possibly make PvE builds worse, unless the sole purpose of your PvE build relied on signet backstabbing things, and that sounds like misery itself.
This change makes PvE farming/questing much faster and effective.
Which is exactly what I said
@Ring – You said it yourself, the thing you were doing where you simply kill a mob in 3 seconds doesn’t work any more. The next step is adapting and doing something different.
@Ring – You said it yourself, the thing you were doing where you simply kill a mob in 3 seconds doesn’t work any more. The next step is adapting and doing something different.
My build was something different. Everyone in PVE i see running around with dual pistols and S/P. Sometimes D/D and very few bow for some reason.
So after spending alot of time pondering which traits would be best for the kind of playstyle I wanted I just get kittened in the kitten and have to adapt to kitten being inserted this time? That’s just BS.
Again they need to keep PVP and PVE stuff separate.
@Ring – You said it yourself, the thing you were doing where you simply kill a mob in 3 seconds doesn’t work any more. The next step is adapting and doing something different.
Roll warrior
Not only will you kill those mobs just as quick, you will be able to do it without feeling squishy.
You know how sometimes you have to dodge, well imagine never having to do that. Imagine getting 300 health per second regen, a 12% passive damage increase that stacks with your a 20% damage increase on a big sword you can use to smack things around with.
The game is going to change, it’s in its infancy – The fact you put some time into considering the build is good, but things are going to get changed – Things change in every game.
In PvE dual pistols are.. pretty bad. I’m happy this’ll make them better, especially with the signet change for Overload. Shortbow was good for calling in large packs of mobs and general ranged use, S/P was ok, I liked D/D better though.
People always say “You need to keep PvP and PvE separate”, but this doesn’t actually hurt PvE. In fact, it makes it better. It just makes a specific build slightly less fast at frontloading damage into mobs. I’m at work, but my guess is instead of killing a mob in 3 seconds with BS Smackdown, it now takes 4. Likewise, doing P/P and D/D probably takes 4 seconds instead of 5, so you’re still getting a fine trade out of the deal. You’re not actually killing things any slower than any other thieves.
@Ring – You said it yourself, the thing you were doing where you simply kill a mob in 3 seconds doesn’t work any more. The next step is adapting and doing something different.
Roll warrior
Not only will you kill those mobs just as quick, you will be able to do it without feeling squishy.
You know how sometimes you have to dodge, well imagine never having to do that. Imagine getting 300 health per second regen, a 12% passive damage increase that stacks with your a 20% damage increase on a big sword you can use to smack things around with.
What does this have to do with Assassin’s Signet?
@Ring – You said it yourself, the thing you were doing where you simply kill a mob in 3 seconds doesn’t work any more. The next step is adapting and doing something different.
Roll warrior
Not only will you kill those mobs just as quick, you will be able to do it without feeling squishy.
You know how sometimes you have to dodge, well imagine never having to do that. Imagine getting 300 health per second regen, a 12% passive damage increase that stacks with your a 20% damage increase on a big sword you can use to smack things around with.
What does this have to do with Assassin’s Signet?
Read the last line in your post. I was directly responding to your advice to the guy. My main is a warrior, I know how easy it can be and made the suggestion.
The game is going to change, it’s in its infancy – The fact you put some time into considering the build is good, but things are going to get changed – Things change in every game.
In PvE dual pistols are.. pretty bad. I’m happy this’ll make them better, especially with the signet change for Overload. Shortbow was good for calling in large packs of mobs and general ranged use, S/P was ok, I liked D/D better though.
People always say “You need to keep PvP and PvE separate”, but this doesn’t actually hurt PvE. In fact, it makes it better. It just makes a specific build slightly less fast at frontloading damage into mobs. I’m at work, but my guess is instead of killing a mob in 3 seconds with BS Smackdown, it now takes 4. Likewise, doing P/P and D/D probably takes 4 seconds instead of 5, so you’re still getting a fine trade out of the deal. You’re not actually killing things any slower than any other thieves.
Except my initiative is being drained more now. Something P/D Also did a good job on saving, but I don’t like being ranged much.
I see what you were trying to tell me on the first post you responded to me. It’d get boring down the road and until the end of time if they don’t nerf or buff something to make different playstyles right ? …. :/ now that sounds like the kind of free MMOs I played before coming here…
Welp back to wasting time trying out different sets of weapons again and wasting money going back and forth retraining skills.
@Ring – You said it yourself, the thing you were doing where you simply kill a mob in 3 seconds doesn’t work any more. The next step is adapting and doing something different.
Roll warrior
Not only will you kill those mobs just as quick, you will be able to do it without feeling squishy.
You know how sometimes you have to dodge, well imagine never having to do that. Imagine getting 300 health per second regen, a 12% passive damage increase that stacks with your a 20% damage increase on a big sword you can use to smack things around with.
What does this have to do with Assassin’s Signet?
Read the last line in your post. I was directly responding to your advice to the guy. My main is a warrior, I know how easy it can be and made the suggestion.
I don’t think telling someone who clearly wants to play his thief to roll a warrior is legitimate advice though
@Ring – You said it yourself, the thing you were doing where you simply kill a mob in 3 seconds doesn’t work any more. The next step is adapting and doing something different.
My build was something different. Everyone in PVE i see running around with dual pistols and S/P. Sometimes D/D and very few bow for some reason.
So after spending alot of time pondering which traits would be best for the kind of playstyle I wanted I just get kittened in the kitten and have to adapt to kitten being inserted this time? That’s just BS.
Again they need to keep PVP and PVE stuff separate.
I agree. They need to keep a whole different UI or what have you for PvP so they can adjust those all they want without effecting PvE. MMO’s never do that, however. It seems as though either PvE players don’t matter as much to them or they don’t want to put the work into setting it up that way.
@Ring – You said it yourself, the thing you were doing where you simply kill a mob in 3 seconds doesn’t work any more. The next step is adapting and doing something different.
Roll warrior
Not only will you kill those mobs just as quick, you will be able to do it without feeling squishy.
You know how sometimes you have to dodge, well imagine never having to do that. Imagine getting 300 health per second regen, a 12% passive damage increase that stacks with your a 20% damage increase on a big sword you can use to smack things around with.
What does this have to do with Assassin’s Signet?
Read the last line in your post. I was directly responding to your advice to the guy. My main is a warrior, I know how easy it can be and made the suggestion.
I don’t think telling someone who clearly wants to play his thief to roll a warrior is legitimate advice though
Maybe, but you did say try something different. It is all true though, what I said about warriors. I read this forum because I also enjoy playing a thief. If I want easy mode I have that already. So if that’s what someone wants (and it seemed like he did) he can play there.
Incase you care I like playing a class with good condition damage, warriors is pretty craptastic.
@Ring – This was basically a hit to backstab and a buff to pretty much everything else – It actually opens up some neat paths – Instead of getting frontloaded backstab damage followed by some crappy hits, you can now do BS, Swap, signet, overload, or any other combination of things. You don’t have to use it specifically for a power backstab, it was just the most effective use, and now it’s not.
An MMO that never changed anything would get pretty boring, pretty fast. Would you rather them have just hit backstab’s damage? Or just hit the assassin’s signet with a 25% reduction?
THOSE would be PvE suffering from a PvP problem, because those changes would offer nothing in return for something that’s being lost – The way it’s been changed has offered different build paths instead of a straight damage hit.
@Ring – You said it yourself, the thing you were doing where you simply kill a mob in 3 seconds doesn’t work any more. The next step is adapting and doing something different.
Roll warrior
Not only will you kill those mobs just as quick, you will be able to do it without feeling squishy.
You know how sometimes you have to dodge, well imagine never having to do that. Imagine getting 300 health per second regen, a 12% passive damage increase that stacks with your a 20% damage increase on a big sword you can use to smack things around with.
What does this have to do with Assassin’s Signet?
Read the last line in your post. I was directly responding to your advice to the guy. My main is a warrior, I know how easy it can be and made the suggestion.
I don’t think telling someone who clearly wants to play his thief to roll a warrior is legitimate advice though
Maybe, but you did say try something different. It is all true though, what I said about warriors. I read this forum because I also enjoy playing a thief. If I want easy mode I have that already. So if that’s what someone wants (and it seemed like he did) he can play there.
Incase you care I like playing a class with good condition damage, warriors is pretty craptastic.
I still think its somewhat akin to coming onto a Harley forum where a guy is saying something is wrong with his Harley, asking for advice to fix it, and telling the guy to go buy a Kawasaki because they’re better.
I think the guy would benefit more on advice for his thief rather than being told to reroll – But I digress.
If you carry Assasins signet Signet of shadows and third slot is stunbreaker so you can spam hearseeker, then you will not have invisiblity. you do understand that
Let me help you
Translation: You actually have to TRY in PvP now if you a thief player.