Guild Wars 2

According to the latest update:

• Steal skill: No longer initiates autoattacks.

Yeah no that still isn’t fixed.

This starts creating huge problems when using the “Hidden Thief” trait; you can’t rely on it to actually stealth you. And in my case, I’m relying on that stealth for initiative and health regen, too.

I’ll grant that I seem to auto-break stealth LESS than before, but not much. Turning off my auto-attack isn’t even a guaranteed fix; sometimes I just happen to go in for the steal, and come out fully revealed. Oh yeah, I may not get more than 0.001 seconds of stealth, but I still do get the full Revealed debuff. So that’s cool.

Posting this in the bugs forum too.

There’s another bug that’s pretty much the reverse of this as well.

Begin auto attacking, hit C&D, use your “from stealth” attack such as sneak attack or backstab.

Sometimes it will continue your auto attack normally and other times the “from stealth” skill disables the auto attack and you just stand there doing nothing until you hit #1 to continue.
I can’t seem to pinpoint the circumstances that lead to one circumstance vs the other. It almost seems random.

Not quite as game-breaking, but still annoying.

If you have spec’d Mug, you will be revealed if the Mug dealt damage.

It’s not a bug.

Not using mug

Definitely still a bug

Good try

But that won’t fly

are you sure you get revealed, if you shadow step while in stealth you will lose the invisible effect, but you’re still in stealth

Sir Vincent III.1286:

If you have spec’d Mug, you will be revealed if the Mug dealt damage.

It’s not a bug.

you are wrong Mug never broke stealth because the dmg was applied before the stealth.
Unless that was also changed recently, i cant tell because i do not have trait points in Deadly Arts.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

If you have spec’d Mug, you will be revealed if the Mug dealt damage.

It’s not a bug.

Mug Dmg goes before CnD so it does not reveal you.

Volrath.1473:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

If you have spec’d Mug, you will be revealed if the Mug dealt damage.

It’s not a bug.

you are wrong Mug never broke stealth because the dmg was applied before the stealth.
Unless that was also changed recently, i cant tell because i do not have trait points in Deadly Arts.

You can’t really say that I am wrong when you have not tried it recently.

I was wondering the same thing last night and I just tried it tonight and it still breaks stealth after Steal.

I removed Mug, no problem. I put on Mug, it triggers and kicks me out of stealth.

It’s not auto- attack since I’m not attacking after reveal.

iNaddict.8021:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

If you have spec’d Mug, you will be revealed if the Mug dealt damage.

It’s not a bug.

Mug Dmg goes before CnD so it does not reveal you.

What — Are — You — Talking — About? CnD?

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Volrath.1473:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

If you have spec’d Mug, you will be revealed if the Mug dealt damage.

It’s not a bug.

you are wrong Mug never broke stealth because the dmg was applied before the stealth.
Unless that was also changed recently, i cant tell because i do not have trait points in Deadly Arts.

You can’t really say that I am wrong when you have not tried it recently.

I was wondering the same thing last night and I just tried it tonight and it still breaks stealth after Steal.

I removed Mug, no problem. I put on Mug, it triggers and kicks me out of stealth.

It’s not auto- attack since I’m not attacking after reveal.

iNaddict.8021:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

If you have spec’d Mug, you will be revealed if the Mug dealt damage.

It’s not a bug.

Mug Dmg goes before CnD so it does not reveal you.

What — Are — You — Talking — About? CnD?

I think i understand what is happening here.. And its a case of misunderstanding.. Yes mugs break stealth when you are already in stealth.. What Volrath and I was referring to is the CnD (Cloak and dagger) to mug chain..

You cloak and dagger first and click mug while cloak and dagger is still being casted…

So CnD then mug.. but when it lands.. the mug dmg part will land first before cloak and dagger thus, cloak and dagger will still stealth you..

understand?

I can confirm this is broken and I do have mug.

I stole to a downed player in wvw this morning while in stealth and spammed f.

What did my guy do?

He landed backstab on the downed player….

iNaddict.8021:

I think i understand what is happening here.. And its a case of misunderstanding.. Yes mugs break stealth when you are already in stealth.. What Volrath and I was referring to is the CnD (Cloak and dagger) to mug chain..

You cloak and dagger first and click mug while cloak and dagger is still being casted…

So CnD then mug.. but when it lands.. the mug dmg part will land first before cloak and dagger thus, cloak and dagger will still stealth you..

understand?

It’s not a misunderstanding, you were simply talking about something unrelated to the topic.

The alledged bug is breaking Hidden Thief (Shadow Arts trait – VIII) after a Steal due to auto-attack. It’s not about CnD -> Steal (Mug).

swinsk.6410:

I can confirm this is broken and I do have mug.

I stole to a downed player in wvw this morning while in stealth and spammed f.

What did my guy do?

He landed backstab on the downed player….

I had that happen to me before and I turned off Auto-Targetting from the Options because of that.

I suspect that the Auto-Targetting is the suspect here.

I’ll test this out when I get home later today.

I haven’t used auto-targetting since like the first few days I played the game. I hated it and turned it off.

swinsk.6410:

I haven’t used auto-targetting since like the first few days I played the game. I hated it and turned it off.

Ok. I’ll do some test tonight and gather data to try to pin-point the culprit.

But as far as the topic goes, “Steal skill: No longer initiates autoattacks” is true.

But I suppose it should also stop auto-attack if Hidden Thief triggers.

I don’t know what it is but I can’t seem to get it to trigger.

Can you post your build and what weapon were you using?

I’ll try to replicate it and run some more test.

For me, this occurs with P/P. I don’t get a five-burst shot, just a normal attack which breaks my stealth. I feel like the problem is when steal is activated mid-animation, but that’s just a really rough guess.

But I don’t use mug (All SA and Crit Strikes with a bit of trickery).

It /tends/ to occur more often when having the pistol autoattack on, but will still occur regardless.

Lemmming.1749:

It /tends/ to occur more often when having the pistol autoattack on, but will still occur regardless.

Well correct me if I’m wrong, but steal isnt’ supposed to STOP your autoattack if you’ve already activated it correct? It simply won’t START autoattack automatically.

So if you’re having trouble with stealing while your autoattack is already activated, I think that’s intended and you need to just hit esc to stop autoattack before stealing.

phor.7952:

Lemmming.1749:

It /tends/ to occur more often when having the pistol autoattack on, but will still occur regardless.

Well correct me if I’m wrong, but steal isnt’ supposed to STOP your autoattack if you’ve already activated it correct? It simply won’t START autoattack automatically.

So if you’re having trouble with stealing while your autoattack is already activated, I think that’s intended and you need to just hit esc to stop autoattack before stealing.

Yeah but it still occurs regardless. Personal opinions aside on whether or not it’s stupid to have to choose between stealthing after a steal and using autoattack (hint: it’s stupid), the bug still isn’t fixed.

Stealth breaks still happen all the time, without giving the burst-shot stealth attack, but still providing a nice 4 second period where I can’t re-stealth.

Also I played around with it some more, and it seems the animation is at fault. There’s only a really tiny gap between pistol #1 attacks that are considered not attacking – if you manage to steal in that gap, you’re fine. Otherwise, either 1) the pistol #1 attack finishes its shot after the steal/stealth jump and ruins your stealth, or 2) the pistol #1 attack has already begun before the animation has started, and the entire sequence runs to completion and still ruins your stealth.

Unless all they fixed was making it so Steal doesn’t turn on auto-attack. In which case sure I guess they fixed that bug, but we’re still looking at a completely separate issue that needs to be addressed.

Lemmming.1749:

phor.7952:

Lemmming.1749:

It /tends/ to occur more often when having the pistol autoattack on, but will still occur regardless.

Well correct me if I’m wrong, but steal isnt’ supposed to STOP your autoattack if you’ve already activated it correct? It simply won’t START autoattack automatically.

So if you’re having trouble with stealing while your autoattack is already activated, I think that’s intended and you need to just hit esc to stop autoattack before stealing.

Yeah but it still occurs regardless. Personal opinions aside on whether or not it’s stupid to have to choose between stealthing after a steal and using autoattack (hint: it’s stupid), the bug still isn’t fixed.

Stealth breaks still happen all the time, without giving the burst-shot stealth attack, but still providing a nice 4 second period where I can’t re-stealth.

Also I played around with it some more, and it seems the animation is at fault. There’s only a really tiny gap between pistol #1 attacks that are considered not attacking – if you manage to steal in that gap, you’re fine. Otherwise, either 1) the pistol #1 attack finishes its shot after the steal/stealth jump and ruins your stealth, or 2) the pistol #1 attack has already begun before the animation has started, and the entire sequence runs to completion and still ruins your stealth.

Hmm, you might be on to something here.

I doubt it’s the anination though, rather, it might be due to the speed of the projectile from the pistol vs the speed of the shadow step from Steal. It seems that shadow step from Steal is faster in a fraction of a second that if you Steal before your recently fired bullet hits, it will break stealth without the benefit of Sneak Attack. This is definitely one possibility.

If the combo field treats Heartseeker as a Physical Projectile, then it is possible that the bullets (also a physical projectile) behaves the same way. The behavior is more noticeable in the Warrior’s skill “Bull Charge”, where the physical projectile (which is the warrior) has to travel the posted time (rather than distance to target) of 1s often seeing a warrior in the Bull Charge animation for the given casting time duration — even though if the skill should have connected already in the first 0.25 of the second.

So in the case of Steal, while the bullet is in transition (and Vital Shot has 1/2 second casting time, meaning the bullet travels the full 1/2 second regardless of proximity to target), the stealth from Steal triggers then the bullet hits and kicks the Thief out of stealth. It might not even be related to auto-attacking at all.

I was too busy the last couple of days to read the forum but I will definitely test this tonight.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

I don’t know what it is but I can’t seem to get it to trigger.

Can you post your build and what weapon were you using?

I’ll try to replicate it and run some more test.

Sorry for late reply.

I was 10/30/30/0/0.

I downed some ranger but was taking big dps. Last refuge triggered and stealthed me. I ran away while using hide in shadows to stack stealth.

I realized I couldn’t make it back in time to stomp but I had enough time if I could instantly port to the downed guy. So I stole to him and spammed f to try to stop auto-attack.

Instead by guy did back stab.

I haven’t really tried it since.

swinsk.6410:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

I don’t know what it is but I can’t seem to get it to trigger.

Can you post your build and what weapon were you using?

I’ll try to replicate it and run some more test.

Sorry for late reply.

No problem, I had a busy weekend also.

I was 10/30/30/0/0.

I downed some ranger but was taking big dps. Last refuge triggered and stealthed me. I ran away while using hide in shadows to stack stealth.

I realized I couldn’t make it back in time to stomp but I had enough time if I could instantly port to the downed guy. So I stole to him and spammed f to try to stop auto-attack.

Instead by guy did back stab.

I haven’t really tried it since.

So you’re already in stealth and not stealth by using Steal (meaning you’re not spec’d in Hidden Thief), right?

What weapon set were you using at the time?

I can finally confirm after several testing that it is the projectile that kicks us out of stealth.

I used the following;

P/x = Vital shot → Steal
Steal beats the bullet at max range, I got kicked out of stealth. At close range, Steal interrupts the auto-attack.

x/D = Dancing Dagger → Steal
Steal beats the dagger at max range. At close range, dagger hits first then Steal. BUT if the dagger bounces I was kicked out of stealth.

SB = Trickshot → Steal
Same result with Dancing Dagger.

I can also confirm that Steal doesn’t initiate auto-attack and it stops auto-attack after cast.

I hope this helps clear these situations at least. So try not to have any projectile flying around before going into stealth.

It is indeed still broken, but you can still mitigate the problem. Using certain skills while then stealing immediately will not initiate autoattack, because you are currently activating a skill.

What I like to do is dodge and use steal mid dodge. Works 100% of the time if you get your timing right, and I’m specced for caltrops on dodge meaning when I steal and dodge at the same time I’ll also place caltrops at his feet.

Also, you can’t really “set” this up mid combat but if you steal and the opponent is behind you, it will not initiate auto attack. It’s great against backstab thieves, especially with the skill (stealth applies blind)