Guild Wars 2

What do you guys think of basilisk venom?
It used to be good when it was unbreakable but just now, reading on the wiki, i was realizing that:
it’s a breakable stun like any other
has 45secs recharge
is NOT stackable with other stuns
wtf?

Seems like the only pro it has is it’s not subject to defiant effects, although you WILL waste it if you get Blind, Block, Evade, Obstructed, or Invulnerable.

Looks like the only purpose it has now is to proc lyssa’s effect and well, it’s still subject to sigil of paralyzation and all that but…

So do you think we can expect a buff in the next patches?

Its still really strong with Mug and D/D. Precast CnD, hit steal, hit BS. All 3 hits will happen in a second, and even people with the fastest reflexes in the world cant stun break it if you do it right. But then… if you time it right most of your backstabs would probably land anyway, lol.

It doesn’t need any buffs. It’s a perfect elite skill for glass cannon D/D build, for jumping in and finishing someone within seconds. Better add more elites instead of changing this skill. Or fix other venoms and traps to make them worth using, because 3 second chill on 45 second cooldown doesn’t sound fair.

Too broadcast, too easy to counter. The short CD is kinda nice for lyssa runes though. But seriously… who doesn’t bring a stunbreak/oh kitten button now-a-days? There are also many things that can automatically trigger when disabled/stunned that will ruin your burst. I find dagger storm to be more useful.

wish.1027:

Its still really strong with Mug and D/D. Precast CnD, hit steal, hit BS. All 3 hits will happen in a second, and even people with the fastest reflexes in the world cant stun break it if you do it right. But then… if you time it right most of your backstabs would probably land anyway, lol.

I’ve never had anyone do this to me faster than I could react… but I’m sure it’s technically possible lol. People in WvW seem to usually have the reaction time of grazing cattle…

It would be ridiculously overpowered if it was unbreakable. It is currently fairly strong elite that is basically always useful: it’s not too situational like most elites out there.

So do you think we can expect a buff in the next patches?

No.

It’s only good for triggering Lyssa runes. ;/

Delta Blues.8507:

What do you guys think of basilisk venom?
It used to be good when it was unbreakable but just now, reading on the wiki, i was realizing that:
it’s a breakable stun like any other
has 45secs recharge
is NOT stackable with other stuns
wtf?

Seems like the only pro it has is it’s not subject to defiant effects, although you WILL waste it if you get Blind, Block, Evade, Obstructed, or Invulnerable.

Looks like the only purpose it has now is to proc lyssa’s effect and well, it’s still subject to sigil of paralyzation and all that but…

So do you think we can expect a buff in the next patches?

Looks like the only purpose it has now is to proc lyssa’s effect
THIS
Arena kittened up with nerfes again. I wish they’d return old props to this skill. Or reduce cd to ~25sec.

they need the skill at 35 seconds and 1/4 cast time or instant cast better yet. the only way its EVER going to be in the same league as daggerstorm or thievesguild is if that happens. considering that warriors has 4.75 sec immobilize and 2-3 sec stuns and KDs on demand….guardian too. theres no real reason this cant be instant cast and 30-35 sec CD

Travlane.5948:

they need the skill at 35 seconds and 1/4 cast time or instant cast better yet. the only way its EVER going to be in the same league as daggerstorm or thievesguild is if that happens. considering that warriors has 4.75 sec immobilize and 2-3 sec stuns and KDs on demand….guardian too. theres no real reason this cant be instant cast and 30-35 sec CD

It’s bad to think like this. What’s ok for one class to have isn’t necessarily ok for another class to have. If you want to put on bask venom on the DL, just stealth and then use it. Instant cast time would mean faster application than the other classes (which have broadcast animations for those attacks).

Aberrant.6749:

Travlane.5948:

they need the skill at 35 seconds and 1/4 cast time or instant cast better yet. the only way its EVER going to be in the same league as daggerstorm or thievesguild is if that happens. considering that warriors has 4.75 sec immobilize and 2-3 sec stuns and KDs on demand….guardian too. theres no real reason this cant be instant cast and 30-35 sec CD

It’s bad to think like this. What’s ok for one class to have isn’t necessarily ok for another class to have. If you want to put on bask venom on the DL, just stealth and then use it. Instant cast time would mean faster application than the other classes (which have broadcast animations for those attacks).

yeah but anet and thieves are trying to get away from HAVING to use stealth. this reminds me of pistol whip….they need to up the dmg back from that bc the problem was fixed. same here….it has a long cast time bc you were supposed to be able to get away from it….now thakittens been changed so u can get away…it should be insta cast and around 30 seconds. MAYBE even 20 or 25 would be more fair. you think thats CRAYZAY!? lol no its actually right on the money. lets put it this way. put ANY elite thats used on any class in with any other classes REGULAR utilities….would that be fair>? well allow me to explain what im eluding to

Bane Signet
¾ Activation time 40 Recharge time 1 Skill point
Passive: Improved power.
Active: Knock down and damage your foe.
Damage Damage: 244
Knockdown: 2 s
Range: 1,200

Basilisk Venom
1 Activation time 45 Recharge time 10 Skill point
Your next attack turns your foe to stone.
Stun Stone duration: 1.5 s
Venom duration: 30 s

stone is the same as knockdown , at least in effect. bane sig has 2 secs of stun and basilisk venom 1.5. bane sig has 1200 range and basilisk venom has 130-900 max range (weapons). Bane sig has 40 sec cooldown and basilisk venom has 45 seconds! Bane sig is a lower tier utility skill and basilisk venom an ELITE! bane signet is 3/4 cast time and basilisk 1 second! omg it keeps getting better! tell me more tell me more! lol ok heres one more tidbit. BASE DMG on bane sig is 244 and basilisk venom is 0!!! WOAH! ur kidding me! how is bane signet NOT an elite and Basilisk IS! WOAH lol.

ok out of all seriousness we both know that this is really undeniably weak. i mean basilisk venom is less useful than scorpion wire. that is a fact! scorp wire is a 1 sec KD and a gap closer and an interrupter and like half the cast time. basilisk venom really is a joke and its only good to bring to supplement builds that burst. i wouldnt ever b ring it in a duel…never ever ever.

Oh I’m not saying bask venom couldn’t use a buff, nor that thief couldn’t use more survival outside of stealth (dev’s please hurry up on the higher ability to stay in the fight stuffs you talked about before), just that instant bask venom is too much of one and that comparing individual abilities on classes isn’t a good idea as there are many other balance issues involved with why each class has their own specific skill & ability sets.

For once I have to agree with Travlane. Basilisk Venom should work akin to mesmer Mantras in the sense that it’s instant and requires no cast time (and can also be applied during a stun/daze).

Venoms. Suck. Period.

Dagins.5163:

It doesn’t need any buffs. It’s a perfect elite skill for glass cannon D/D build, for jumping in and finishing someone within seconds. Better add more elites instead of changing this skill. Or fix other venoms and traps to make them worth using, because 3 second chill on 45 second cooldown doesn’t sound fair.

Dunno, any good player will stunbreak and still get away, while if you’re decent against not-so-good players you don’t even really need it, considering it doesn’t add anything to your dmg output…

I do agree we should not compare it to other classes’ skills but seriously i mean the mesmer on a 1sec cast elite has a ranged skill that turns you in a free kill for 10 whole seconds (and it’s unbreakable).
Ofc the recharge time is different, but still I’ll just hope they’ll do something about basilisk cause as it is now it seems a bit wasted, i guess it could atleast be made unblockable or add something to it

Basilisk Venom seems just fine to me. Think of it a mesmer mantra – long cast time, but instant when it’s actually used.

It’s the perfect elite for a burst build, but on top of that it also works with less bursty specs thanks to rune of Lyssa. Compared to that I find thieves guild weak – it has way too long cooldown for me and it’s too easy to just aoe down the thieves.

As for Moa, while I agree it could use a nerf, it’s way weaker than a stun due to the fact you can still move and you have that additional evade on your disposal. It basically forces you to run, but it has hardly ever gotten me actually killed.

i think it is too OP in it’s current state !
stun should be reduced to 1 second

DanH.5879:

i think it is too OP in it’s current state !
stun should be reduced to 1 second

in that case bane signet should go down to .25 secs right? since its not even and elite and does dmg and has 1200 range AND is lesser CD. right/?

Travlane.5948:

DanH.5879:

i think it is too OP in it’s current state !
stun should be reduced to 1 second

in that case bane signet should go down to .25 secs right? since its not even and elite and does dmg and has 1200 range AND is lesser CD. right/?

no, only thief skills need nerf

Bane signet has an after cast though, as does say signet of domination. There is no after cast when stunning via basilisk venom.

Also, elite skills are generally weaker than utility skills (no clue why). Shadow Refuge for example is a lot more powerful than the mesmer elite Mass Invisibility.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bull%27s_Charge
BULLS CHARGE
Damage Damage: 183
Knockdown: 2 s
Combo Finisher: Leap
Range: 600
Cooldown: 40 s
Activation time: 0 s

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Explosive_Rockets
EXPLOSIVE ROCKETS
Damage: 1,270
Burning: 3 s (984 damage)
Rate of Fire: kitten
Knockdown: 2 s
Duration: 7 s
Radius: 240
Cooldown: 20 s
Activation time: 0 s

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Slick_Shoes
SLICK SHOES
Knockdown: 2 s
Duration: 1 s
Blind: 5 s
Cooldown: 60 s
Activation time: 0 s

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Scorpion_Wire
SCORPION WIRE
Damage: 122
Knockdown: 2 s
Combo Finisher: Physical Projectile
Range: 1,200
Cooldown: 20 s
Activation time : 1/2 s

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bane_Signet
BANE SIGNET
Passive: Improved power.
Damage: 244
Knockdown: 2 s
Range: 1,200
Cooldown: 40 s
Activation time: 3/4 s

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Charge_
CHARGE
Knockdown: 2 s
Damage: 1,444
Range: 1,200
Cooldown: 40 seconds
Activation time: 0 s

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Supply_Crate
SUPPLY CRATE (yes i know longer cooldown but would trade any day)
Damage: 244
Stun: 2 s
Radius: 240
Combo Finisher: Blast
Range: 1,200
Cooldown: 180 s
Activation time: 1 s

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Electrified_Net
ELECTRIFIED NET
Damage: 318
Immobilized: 3 s
Rate of Fire Increase: 50%
Stun: 2 s
Duration: 10 s
Attack Range: 600
Cooldown: 30 s
Activation time: 0 s

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Domination
SIGNET OF DOMINATION
Passive: Improved condition damage.
Active: Stun your foe.
Signet of Domination: 180 Condition Damage
Stun: 3 s
Range: 1,200
Cooldown: kitten
Activation time: 1/2 s

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Earthshaker
EARTHSHAKER
Damage: 244
Level 1 stun: 1 s
Level 2 stun: 1½ s
Level 3 stun: 2 s
Radius: 240
Combo Finisher: Blast
Range: 600
Activation time: 3/4 s

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Skull_Crack
SKULL CRACK
Damage: 244
Level 1 stun: 1 s
Level 2 stun: 2 s
Level 3 stun: 3 s
Range: 130
Activation time: 0 s

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Whirling_Strike
WHIRLING STRIKE
Damage: 365
Level 1 stun: 1 s
Level 2 stun: 1½ s
Level 3 stun: 2 s
Combo Finisher: Whirl
Range: 150
Activation time: 3/4 s

this is a list of every stun and KD skill that are readily available without special conditions like underwater or stolen weapons or picking up a bundle. now for a few weapons skills.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Static_Field_
STATIC FIELD
Damage: 185 (0.50057)?
Duration: 4 s
Stun: 2 s
Radius: 180
Combo Field: Lightning
Range: 1,200
Unblockable
Cooldown: 40 s
Activation time: 3/4 S

ADDITIONAL STUN SKILLS
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Magic_Bullet
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shocking_Aura
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shocking_Aura
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pistol_Whip
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hilt_Bash
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Concussion_Shot
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Static_Shield
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shield_Bash

ADDITIONAL KNOCK DOWN SKILLS
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Line_of_Warding
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ring_of_Warding
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Backbreaker
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tremor
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Earthquake
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gale

All of the above mentioned skills are stronger and better than basilisk venom. there MAY be one or possibly 2 i skimmed over that arent but i dont think so. this is to put our ELITE SKILL “basilisk venom” in perspective. its not an elite…..well not in strength anyway. it should be buffed or every other skill listed above nerfed. :P

Elite is a type of a bonus skill in this game. The name is misleading. It doesn’t mean that the skill is necessarily strictly better than utility skills. Thief doesnt have many stuns by design and I quess that’s the reason basilisk venom isn’t that strong.

And besides, it’s still thousands times better than dagger storm… Against any decent player that skill is only going to get you killed.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Bane signet has an after cast though, as does say signet of domination. There is no after cast when stunning via basilisk venom.

Also, elite skills are generally weaker than utility skills (no clue why). Shadow Refuge for example is a lot more powerful than the mesmer elite Mass Invisibility.

yes shadow refuge is. but stealth is a primary thief mechanic and mesmers kind of have a slight touch of it. wouldnt make sense to give mesmers alot of stealth. i get ur point but basilisk venom is arguably the worst stun in the game. read the post above this and compare them. basilisk has no dmg. longest cast in game. longest recharge (besides supply crate)….AND its an elite. the rest are regular utilities.

you say elite skills are generally weaker? ummmm…… maybe a few. but every class has 2 strong elites. basilisk venom used to be strong before it was nerfed. it was nerfed bc thieves HAD such high dmg that NOT being able to stun break was near instant death. now that our dmg is roughly 50% lower than it was ages ago….theres no need for basi nerf.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Elite is a type of a bonus skill in this game. The name is misleading. It doesn’t mean that the skill is strictly better than utility skills.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elite_skill
Elite skills are especially powerful skills designed to be used infrequently and have a dramatic effect on the tide of a battle. The last slot on the skill bar is reserved for elite skills. Elite skills typically have much longer recharge times compared to normal utility skills — very few recharge in less than 60 seconds, and some can take up to 4 minutes.

idk why im even responding to that comment but w.e. yes elite skills are SUPPOSED to be stronger. hence the name and hence the cooldown.

That’s just some random garpage someone wrote to the wikipedia. For gods sake, unless if you are complete newbie to the game, you know that most elite skills are pure trash. This isn’t unique problem to thief.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Elite is a type of a bonus skill in this game. The name is misleading. It doesn’t mean that the skill is necessarily strictly better than utility skills. Thief doesnt have many stuns by design and I quess that’s the reason basilisk venom isn’t that strong.

And besides, it’s still thousands times better than dagger storm… Against any decent player that skill is only going to get you killed.

Daggerstorm is WAY better. it makes a ranged opponent take 7500 -10k dmg if they dont switch weapons…and if they DO switch weapons you roll out or switch to break and have 8 secs of stability to wallop your opponent. ill take 8 secs of stability (more like 9 idk y but it is) over 1.5 sec stun anyday. if the stun was instant i could use it as a heal stopper but well…thats just not possible.

Master of Timespace.2548:

That’s just some random garpage someone wrote to the wikipedia. For gods sake, unless if you are complete newbie to the game, you know that most elite skills are pure trash.

yes alot of elite skills are kind of garbage. but not in the sense they are weak. in the sense they dont flow into a build. look at the books on guardian…nobody uses them but they are actually REALLY strong. almost all elite skills (80-90% or more maybe) are stronger than most regular skills.

es shadow refuge is. but stealth is a primary thief mechanic and mesmers kind of have a slight touch of it. wouldnt make sense to give mesmers alot of stealth. i get ur point but basilisk venom is arguably the worst stun in the game. read the post above this and compare them. basilisk has no dmg. longest cast in game. longest recharge (besides supply crate)….AND its an elite. the rest are regular utilities.

Exact same thing here as with the shadow refuge. Thief by design, is not meant to have powerful stuns.

Travlane.5948:

Master of Timespace.2548:

That’s just some random garpage someone wrote to the wikipedia. For gods sake, unless if you are complete newbie to the game, you know that most elite skills are pure trash.

yes alot of elite skills are kind of garbage. but not in the sense they are weak. in the sense they dont flow into a build. look at the books on guardian…nobody uses them but they are actually REALLY strong. almost all elite skills (80-90% or more maybe) are stronger than most regular skills.

Nobody uses them but they are REALLY strong? What nonsense is that? They just LOOK strong, but in practice are trash. I’m pretty sure lots of warriors, rangers, guards and even mesmers would use basilisk venom if they could. I know I would.

Master of Timespace.2548:

es shadow refuge is. but stealth is a primary thief mechanic and mesmers kind of have a slight touch of it. wouldnt make sense to give mesmers alot of stealth. i get ur point but basilisk venom is arguably the worst stun in the game. read the post above this and compare them. basilisk has no dmg. longest cast in game. longest recharge (besides supply crate)….AND its an elite. the rest are regular utilities.

Exact same thing here as with the shadow refuge. Thief by design, is not meant to have powerful stuns.

powerful is relative to definition. not neccessarily in length but in usefulness and CD time to power ratio.

1 second on steal for 21 s cooldown
1/2 on Pistol whip for 5 init 0 cooldown
1/4 on head shot for 4 init 0 cooldown
1-2 seconds on scorpion wire for 20 s cooldown
1.5 on basilisk venom for kitten cooldown
2 sec on tactical strike for stealth attack (5 sec between sometimes 4 minimum)
3 sec on tripwire for 30 s cooldown
3 sec on bone crack for 21s cooldown (stolen)

so thieves do have alot of stuns and dazes. so its not like they have a “splash” of it like mesmers have a “splash” of stealth. if u gave this to a person who NEVER played the game and ask them to pick out the elite….i bet only 1% of people who did would pick basilisk venom :P

Master of Timespace.2548:

Travlane.5948:

Master of Timespace.2548:

That’s just some random garpage someone wrote to the wikipedia. For gods sake, unless if you are complete newbie to the game, you know that most elite skills are pure trash.

yes alot of elite skills are kind of garbage. but not in the sense they are weak. in the sense they dont flow into a build. look at the books on guardian…nobody uses them but they are actually REALLY strong. almost all elite skills (80-90% or more maybe) are stronger than most regular skills.

Nobody uses them but they are REALLY strong? What nonsense is that? They just LOOK strong, but in practice are trash. I’m pretty sure lots of warriors, rangers, guards and even mesmers would use basilisk venom if they could. I know I would.

i think basilisk venom should be a 4.25 second knockdown on a longer timer. id rather have that. oooh! AOE too! make it aoe!!! i think thats fair. what are your thoughts on that?

They have only three “stuns”: scorpion wire, basilisk venom and pistol whip. Scorpion wire is very unreliable as anyone who has tried it is aware of. It’s really not even a stun, just a short pull. Pistol whip requires you to use a weapon set with no stealth. Bone crack can only be stolen randomly from mobs (and some pets?) and so doesn’t count.

So yeah, thieves dont have many stuns. Dazes and interrupts yes, but thats entirely differend game element.

if u gave this to a person who NEVER played the game and ask them to pick out the elite….

Because what new players think tells a lot. I wonder who were all those wammos running back in gw1.

Master of Timespace.2548:

They have only three “stuns”: scorpion wire, basilisk venom and pistol whip. Scorpion wire is very clumsy as anyone who has tried it is aware of. It’s really not even a stun, just a short pull. Pistol whip requires you to use a weapon set with no stealth. Bone crack can only be stolen from mobs and doesn’t count.

bone crack is from guardians :P obv u dont play thief. pets and mobs too but those are random.

So yeah, thieves dont have many stuns. Dazes and interrupts yes, but thats entirely differend game element.

if u gave this to a person who NEVER played the game and ask them to pick out the elite….

Because what new players think tells a lot. I wonder who were all those wammos running back in gw1.

i know there is a diff. i look at it as an interupt. could care less about the 1 sec immob. doesnt change much…..its the skill activating that really is devastating…both of which do the job.

would u think 4 1/4 sec KD for AOE on basilisk venom for longer time is ok?

the point about a new player is he would be unbiased…..not pick what he was told the elite is. wow did u really miss that point? has nothing to do with skill or their experience. has to do with their ignorance of the skills only.

Travlane.5948:

Master of Timespace.2548:

They have only three “stuns”: scorpion wire, basilisk venom and pistol whip. Scorpion wire is very clumsy as anyone who has tried it is aware of. It’s really not even a stun, just a short pull. Pistol whip requires you to use a weapon set with no stealth. Bone crack can only be stolen from mobs and doesn’t count.

bone crack is from guardians :P obv u dont play thief. pets and mobs too but those are random.

So yeah, thieves dont have many stuns. Dazes and interrupts yes, but thats entirely differend game element.

if u gave this to a person who NEVER played the game and ask them to pick out the elite….

Because what new players think tells a lot. I wonder who were all those wammos running back in gw1.

i know there is a diff. i look at it as an interupt. could care less about the 1 sec immob. doesnt change much…..its the skill activating that really is devastating…both of which do the job.

would u think 4 1/4 sec KD for AOE on basilisk venom for longer time is ok?

I quess that could be fine, it wouldn’t make it overpowered and would maybe give more team utility to the skill.

the point about a new player is he would be unbiased…..not pick what he was told the elite is. wow did u really miss that point?

Then why didn’t you just say “unbiased” instead of “new”? Anyhow, if I would have to choose between trip wire, scorpion wire and basilisk venom, I would take basilisk venom hands down. Though I still prefer the sylvari racial Take Root xD.

i know there is a diff. i look at it as an interupt. could care less about the 1 sec immob.

It means they can’t dodge D;

see thats the definition of an elite. its supposed to be strong than other skills but also have the same cooldown to power ratio (making it a longer total cooldown) now basilisk venom is just useless. it ONLY forces people to use their stunbreak first rather than later. no real change. might get 1 free hit from it like CND but not bs.

also 4.25 sec really is a lil OP….. a thief can kill anyone in 5 secs if he is full zerk. not that it matters bc thieves can only do that roaming.

what about AOE knockdown…..aoe quickness + fury….aoe might + swiftness….. and aoe weakness/cripple…. and aoe burning each with a 1.25 sec cast all in the same elite. id DEF like that!

Travlane.5948:

see thats the definition of an elite. its supposed to be strong than other skills but also have the same cooldown to power ratio (making it a longer total cooldown) now basilisk venom is just useless. it ONLY forces people to use their stunbreak first rather than later. no real change. might get 1 free hit from it like CND but not bs.

also 4.25 sec really is a lil OP….. a thief can kill anyone in 5 secs if he is full zerk. not that it matters bc thieves can only do that roaming.

What of course that would be op as HELL. I thought you meant something like “stun your foe and knock down 4 nearby foes for 1/4 seconds”.

The problem with improving 1x Basilisk venom is that 10x basilisk venom has to still be balanced. A thief can get up to 10 applications with shared venoms. I’m guessing this limits the design of all venoms since they all underwhelm without trait benefits.

Norn bear elite is the bomb!!!

Stooperdale.3560:

The problem with improving 1x Basilisk venom is that 10x basilisk venom has to still be balanced. A thief can get up to 10 applications with shared venoms. I’m guessing this limits the design of all venoms since they all underwhelm without trait benefits.

This is why I think they need to completely get rid of the venom sharing trait. They can’t possibly make venoms balanced for x10 and still be worth anything for x1. They either need to just get rid of the talent, or make venoms always share without having to have a talent.

are ya kidding me basilisk venom is really good skill if you think its bad you must be doing something wrong and also it stuns everything you can stun ppl with stability with it and all cind a bosses in pve.

You’re taking the skill out of context.

If you only look a the length of the stun, yes, it does seem a little bit weak. However, you’re forgetting that it only takes effect when you hit your foe, essentially making it an instant stun during your combo. Another thing you’re not taking into account is that a thief can do some VERY nasty damage very quickly when specced for it, which makes it an ideal skill for burst builds.

How is a skill ran by practically every bursty build supposed to be weak?

I think BV is fine for what it does (helps for burst combo), however once they made the stun breakable I think it should have gone back to being insta cast like other the venom skills.

while I do see how it can still be kind of usefull I have to say i don’t see it that popular anymore, as good players will still stunbreak out of it quickly making it valuable only versus less good enemies to be honest.

I have tried it in the last few days and in the competitive scene it really ends up being wasted most of the times, because it’s both easy to predict/evade and to break out of, especially considering that as a thief you are pretty much forced to carry determined utility skills and you don’t have many long duration stuns so everyone will simply have a stunbreaker available just for that. Which, as fair as it is, still doesnt change that fact that it makes it a skill only good for noobstomping that is not gonna bring that much into the fight anyway.

It would be good to have some reliable CC as an ultimate but I still think that this could use a little improvement as it is now

Delta Blues.8507:

while I do see how it can still be kind of usefull I have to say i don’t see it that popular anymore, as good players will still stunbreak out of it quickly making it valuable only versus less good enemies to be honest.

I have tried it in the last few days and in the competitive scene it really ends up being wasted most of the times, because it’s both easy to predict/evade and to break out of, especially considering that as a thief you are pretty much forced to carry determined utility skills and you don’t have many long duration stuns so everyone will simply have a stunbreaker available just for that. Which, as fair as it is, still doesnt change that fact that it makes it a skill only good for noobstomping that is not gonna bring that much into the fight anyway.

It would be good to have some reliable CC as an ultimate but I still think that this could use a little improvement as it is now

Yeah but if you use it at the correct time you can almost always make it work. In a team fight, if your team is focus firing and you see the enemy use his stun breaks, now is the time to use it to ensure a kill.

It is not useful vs good players for opening a fight imo, which is why I think it would be good to be insta cast again so you can have more flexibility and even use it as an interrupt or quick control mid fight.

Tolfast.6289:

Yeah but if you use it at the correct time you can almost always make it work. In a team fight, if your team is focus firing and you see the enemy use his stun breaks, now is the time to use it to ensure a kill.

It is not useful vs good players for opening a fight imo, which is why I think it would be good to be insta cast again so you can have more flexibility and even use it as an interrupt or quick control mid fight.

Yes that’s excactly what i’m talking about, as a fight opener is quite useless and that 1s cast time it kinds of gimps it a lot. Maybe making it insta class would actually make it very strong but we’re still talking about an ultimate utility and it still can be dodged/blocked/whatever. Dunno, I just hope they’re gonna do something to improve it a bit

I find it weird when people complain about Basilisk Venom’s 1s cast time. The thief has a lot of builds that periodically enter stealth for 3s at a time: come out of it with a surprise in store.

I honestly believe it would be too strong as an instant, even disregarding traits: it’s a solid duration stun, and it doesn’t trigger a lot of (or any?) “On being controlled” effects.

Note that you can pop it before you go in. If you come from behind, use it to get some cooldown off from it even before the fight. With a right planning you can open with a stun and get one ready after about 30-20 secs while in combat.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Travlane.5948:

see thats the definition of an elite. its supposed to be strong than other skills but also have the same cooldown to power ratio (making it a longer total cooldown) now basilisk venom is just useless. it ONLY forces people to use their stunbreak first rather than later. no real change. might get 1 free hit from it like CND but not bs.

also 4.25 sec really is a lil OP….. a thief can kill anyone in 5 secs if he is full zerk. not that it matters bc thieves can only do that roaming.

What of course that would be op as HELL. I thought you meant something like “stun your foe and knock down 4 nearby foes for 1/4 seconds”.

i know thats the point. atleast 3 secs is that OP?