Best overall wvw build (IMO)
[~Galtrix~] [~Level 80 Elementalist~] [~GoM~]
the poitn in me sayin i was in one of the 2 best db guilds is to show you how silly /rediculous the comment was about FCs etc. not one person knew it.
if you wanna find which guild im in
….come duel me. ill have it on film showing you run away
so YOU are actually dodging. the challenge of you making a video came first. then i challenged you to a duel in wvw next but ur in Eh bay….. so i challenged you to SPVP….then u “say ur not on” which is convenient but it was work hours for normal jobs so who knows. but u are on here so come duel i wont go anywhere.
off to make the fam dinner lil flattered nobody challenged me. talk is talk. show me the walk or just walk away.
the poitn in me sayin i was in one of the 2 best db guilds is to show you how silly /rediculous the comment was about FCs etc. not one person knew it.
if you wanna find which guild im in
So your guild isn’t good then?
off to make the fam dinner
You’ve already been challenged a few times. You’re the one dodging by not answering the questions.
tonikor ur wrong . u misread. plz reread entire thread. “I” have challenged them bc they are haters. not one accepted . dont need to tellthem my guild. its absolute irrelevant.
just to prove a point ill go d/d now we all know thats one of the worst builds out there. but ill run it
ps . when i say worst builds i mean less all around balanced and one of the 2 least played builds.
just to prove a point ill go d/d
ps . when i say worst builds i mean less all around balanced and one of the 2 least played builds.
Full burst? And I bet you’ll run basilisk venom too.
@tonikor its not bad at kiling siege espeically when there is more than 1 lined up. i have been using ricochet alot lately and its quite phenominal in zerg settings or 1 v x settings. that said i still prefer bountiful theft for 1 v 1 or 1 v 2.
SINCE YOU DIDNT READ WHAT I SAID ABOUT SIEGE ILL PUT IT IN CAPS
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Given A: Anytime you attack/break siege its almost ALWAYS a larger group setting.
Given B: Damage = Weapon strength * Power * Skill coefficient / Armor
Given C: You CANNOT CRIT ON SIEGE under and circumstance
(estimates)
D/P build : auto attack roughly 40 or so on siege
P/D build : auto attack deals about 30 or so on siege.
if a zerg is hitting a siege you are probably doing around 3-4% of the total dmg with d/p on a best case scenario.
if you are running p/d you are doing probably 1% or less difference from d/p which is basically saving about .00001 seconds of time.
this consquently means that you are bringing up a null point unless you would like to nickle/dime and squabble over such trivial numbers/time.
so to answer your quest yes its a lil tougher with p/d but not so much that you would ever notice….ever.
Its about OVERALL PERFORMANCE and CONTRIBUTION. (caps so you can understand)
yeah i get that do you?
ok so if u know(or in your case think) somethign is not the best all around then you must have an idea of which build or variation of which build is? plz enlighten us. if u dont have an answer than you cant say with any certainty that something isnt. so lets start with that. what is the best overall wvw build ISH for thieves. ill wait for this answer
@ ton….. escaping with s/d is tough granted we assume you arent bringing shadow refuge as most s/d doenst do that. 900 range that is buggy usually doenst get you far enough away especially when most of the time ur more around 500-600 from the start of it. you use it more than once in a fight. getting away? yeah 900 range wont do it. eles get rather than that with RTL and me with 1500 range 2 sec stun….so in a zerg s/d has MUCH less of a chance…actually minimal…of getting away. well assuming the zerg has a few players like warriors who can outspring anyone…or like me with long range stun…or eles with RTL . anyway moving on….
Blind AOE on stealth. i never see any s/d builds run this….i rarely see S/d builds run anything past 20 in SA unless they are going s/d d/p mix….then its usually 0 30 20 20 0 or 0 20 30 20 0 etc. initiative and condi removal comes first for both of these builds. not blind….so being realistic its more of a p/d build trait d/p it would just be overkill bc black powder shot does it all the same. and to waste 6 init on a s/d build for invis is harsh too bc u more want to save init for FS LS to break em down. ok moving on…
Evades? the only difference between the 2 builds is dodge roll returning 10% and shadow return for 5 init. (3+2)…… so realisiticall unless ur nit picking the only difference is infil/return. but then again its ABOUT even bc while as S/D you fight at melee range making you take more dmg naturally than p/d fighting melee range. so p/d actually still takes less damage if 1/2 are range 1/2 are melee players you fight. i guess on the books you would be right. but actually matching it up in combat? no. also the blinds count as 1 evade in my book too bc they basically block 1 attack that WOULD have hit…not just 1 attack that swung. so 1 blind = 1 aegis basically. so in the dmg avoidance dept…p/d wins due to blinds and almost the same amount of dodge rolls and also skill 3 as a gap increaser.
camp flipping? you and me already have a challenge with this. condi vs direct dmg we are going to compare videos so illl just move along….but idk how ur going to spread the dmg out and outdo caltrops plus aoe dmg from my weapons but w.e. we will see.
DPS is a lil different in a dungeon…. its actually the reason they dont take d/d or d/p players…bc of stealth…it decreases DPS. obvious. your backstab is 5500 on average plus about 500 from BPS. so we will say 6k dmg on AVERAGE per roughly 6 seconds to be generous? i mean t5 2 2 2 2 takes about 5 seconds alone but im saying best cases scenario and ill just say 6 secs bc ull prolly ahve 1 maybe 2 auto attacks or MIGHT hit with HS but prolly not sicne auto targeting is off. ok moving on to p/d. p/d hits about 1250 on average (up to 1600) but we will keep it low for the benefit of the argument. so 1250 direct dmg and i keep on average 12-16 stacks but ill say 10 for a round number and to be fair. 10 stacks of bleeding with 1500 condition dmg (not including 250 i would have in wvw for c orruption) is doing a total of 1175 per second. so we do the math 1175×6seconds +1250 direct dmg = 8300 damage. so 8300 vs 5500…almost 2k difference in that short period of time. yes you can condi cleanse and i can put it back on in 2 secs. can also dodge roll BS or block/aegis/blind too. but just saying for the scenario here. thats what i mean by DPS is about the same. i didnt say higher although we could. some fights u go 20 secs without a backstab while wielding d/p …sometimes you get 2 in 10 secs. but on averge they are about the same dps. if d/p had a stun it would be sick (stun on demand. not stun on openign attack with BV)
gap closers? ok…..here goes….. gap closers are close to equal but p/d edges it out. heres why. infil strike is a ONE TIME 600 range shadow step gap closer. yes you can return and repeat but its never more than 600 ranger per 15 seconds. at 15 secs the return leaves and u can do it again. most s/d andp/d both use SS so we have 1200 for each build. now we have steal 900 and infil strike 600 for s/d thats 1500 range on almost an instant. now we have 1500 on steal and a 2 sec stun on 20 secs (only 5 more than infil strike) and this is literally and instant. so they both have the same gap closers in distance . the only differenc is p/d trades 5 secs for a 2 sec stun and decrease 20% on steal.however we now have 34 sec steal vs a 21 sec steal. hence why p/d is better. you dont even get 2 steals for s/d but you get 3 per min for p/d . lets total this up shall we. in ONE MINUTE of time…. s/d has infil strike 600(4times per minute) SS 1200(1x per minute) and steal 900 (just call it 2x per min although its really 1 min 8 secs) thats a total of 5400 range of gap closers per minute. p/d now has steal 1500 (3x per minute) and SS 1200 (1x per minute) for a total of 5700 total range of gap closers per minute. so the only way s/d edges out p/d is if it carries infil signet which is risky in wvw bc u need escape tools for zergs/larger groups. usually in wvw i see s/d use withdraw shadow refuge basilisk venom blinding powder signet of agility.
venom share crap? its the best build a thief can run for its guild/zerg. if u think the radius is too small its bc u have a crap guild. you stay tight and buff up just before battle….i usually do it about 20 secs before battle that way about 30 secs later im using all the venoms i buffed everyone with and the recharge is 10 secs away….so you get 2 rounds of like 30 venoms all within 10-15 seconds. its amazing. yes sb can stay back and ping….but CB is crap now and slow to boot. so sb isnt really helping anyone. s/d and d/p always stay on the edges of zerg fights….as i said before this is a fact. u show me one video of a s/d or d/p in the fray …if u actually can….and ill show you 50 of them stayin on the edges of the battle picking on what they canbc they have to 5 2 2 2 or 3 3 3 3 to avoid being targeted. p/d can just get in there and daggerstorm…caltrops and ricochet sneak attacks easily and survive really well.
about winning against d/p ….yes it should always be a draw….but if u go for the win you die. if u dont we draw. simple as that.
crying lil boy? sounds like ur frustrated ive made all good poitns. videos….challenges and i ahve yet to seeanything of yours backed up. like i said most of all go show me a s/d or d/p vid doing what i said this build could and ill shut up. i relaly havent seen one. ive seen a few 1 v x ing but most of them were ignoring the thief or just really bad. there is no build in the game that can 1 v 5 and win unless the players are horrible. the absolute best that can be done is 1 v 3 .
biased? no. i can play any build. i actually like d/p but got boring bc i do miss hanging out with my guild and didnt wanna have to change to my guard or necro to do it. so my goal was make a build that could do it all…maybe not master anything but atleast be able to 1 v 1 1 v x and zvz without changing anything. ill be waiting for your links to the videos of s/d and d/p doing zerg style laterz kiddo
After attempting to read all that clouded judgement/biased crap (mind you, the lack of punctuation and structure kept me) I’ve come to the conclusion:
Play whatever you want, do whatever you like, think that you’re the best and your build is the best. While you live in your dreamworld the rest of us will live in the real world and be better than you
Wow just wow , Trav exposed and please man stop making videos because just like every post you write you clearly contradict yourself. I have to say though that those are some impressive hours on thief , but whats seen in your videos you move as if you not new to the game but played for about a week in pvp. Not terrible but clearly have trouble with camera control and movement in general. Is it safe to say you idled about 90% of those hours and the remainder split between PVE and PVP? I fought a pretty good thief today with probably this same build , i killed him 10/10x and guess what? On my “useless” Engineer lol After he requested and i added him he called me every name in the book , he was infuriated BUT i took the higher road and told him 10 out of 10 to get that signet of shadows because his movement was terrible. Eh you swim or you sink..without movement you tend to SINK!!!
P.S Stop making bold statements , try to redeem yourself somehow .
I never expect to lose. Even when I’m the Engineer , I still prepare a victory speech.
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tonikor ur wrong . u misread. plz reread entire thread. “I” have challenged them bc they are haters. not one accepted
You lie again, i agree to duel with you, and you first start talking about that. And other ppl ask you for duel. But you hiding and continue to spread you pathetic talking.
just to prove a point ill go d/d
ps . when i say worst builds i mean less all around balanced and one of the 2 least played builds.
No no my dear friend, as you say only p/d godly all other d/d and d/p are pesky and useless so use you excellent p/d build do your pew pew and instagib that useless d/d and d/p in duels. But you never do this cause pathetic talking one thing and killing them by p/d is completely another.
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