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@style lol feels like it. but i dont know his girl :P or if he has one.

whatever works for whoever is more depending on style and goal. when i made this post it was about being able to roam and being able to camp flip and being able to zerg it. not one but all and do them all well. :P

ps i gotta say :

steal-2 second stun-2 stolen boons-vigor-1500 range gap-closer-stolen item-every 21s

i just cant resist this….i have to put 10 poitns for mug bc i mean 3k or whatever heal every 21 seconds? thats basically making your heal (hide in shadows) about 82% more effective.

HIS 5500 direct heal every 30 secs….total of 11000 per minute
MUG 3k heal every 21 seconds….total of 9000 per minute

Travlane.5948:

its balanced enoughto beat anyone.

Lol
/15 chars

i will also say that d/p is equiped enough to get away from almost anyone.

style.6173:

Did one of you hook up with the other’s girl or something or are you all just fighting to see who can be the most immature.

As to the original post. I tried the spec in WvW, but still think that a 5/0/30/15/20 set up works better FOR ME. Even though the spec isn’t ideal for me, I respect that you posted it here.

Exactly why I stopped posting. Threads like this aren’t good depictions of the thief community when new members come in and want to learn something other than who has the larger kitten (which really doesn’t matter, because North Americans have this problem thinking that they’ll become Internet famous or something by playing a game.)

Travlane.5948:

i will also say that d/p is equiped enough to get away from almost anyone.

How does D/P get away from people who know what they’re doing? Just stand on the black powder lol it’s pretty obvious and they’re screwed. Same matter with shadow refuge for that matter.

Viking Jorun.5413:

style.6173:

Did one of you hook up with the other’s girl or something or are you all just fighting to see who can be the most immature.

As to the original post. I tried the spec in WvW, but still think that a 5/0/30/15/20 set up works better FOR ME. Even though the spec isn’t ideal for me, I respect that you posted it here.

Exactly why I stopped posting. Threads like this aren’t good depictions of the thief community when new members come in and want to learn something other than who has the larger kitten (which really doesn’t matter, because North Americans have this problem thinking that they’ll become Internet famous or something by playing a game.)

guess you shouldnt have come in starting trouble then huh? i mean all was good/fine until the hate. did i defend myself?mmmmhmmm 100% yes. and always will. this build/thread was and is in no way insulting/derogatory in any way to another player. when you come in calling me names and making claims….. i have every right to respond and defend. if u think the build is garbage…..why would u even reply? immaturity and to flex your metaphorical muscles….. which arent very large obv but that aside. i would have respect if u said hey i dont think your build is that great or atleast not exemplified by the video posted. i would suggest using another build like (build X) bc reasons a , b , c, and d. but you acted completed immature and unprofessional. next time come correct . i think that is a reasonable response and request.

Excalibur.9748:

Travlane.5948:

i will also say that d/p is equiped enough to get away from almost anyone.

How does D/P get away from people who know what they’re doing? Just stand on the black powder lol it’s pretty obvious and they’re screwed. Same matter with shadow refuge for that matter.

well with d/p you have a higher chance of getting away thatn d/d or s/d or s/p or sb and p/p……. but i mean yeah a zerg is goign to run over a d/p build quick fast no doubt unless they have blinding powder and SS up. p/d gets away easy bc i usually steal/CND 1500 range to the back of a zerg or a mob nearbye for invis… or i use DS then SS away then dodge roll out and CND with 7 secs of stability remaining…… or i use SR at the tip of my toes and dodge roll from one end to the other once im first invised…then roll back…then swap 50% sigil energy weapon then roll agian for a total of 3 rolls and i never get it….or i SS away then HIS then Shadow return back to a blinding powder and they are never where i am after that one. several other ways of doing this too but anyway. hope that answered what i was “intending” to say . and by getting away i mean fleeing a hopeless battle.

Viking Jorun.5413:

style.6173:

Did one of you hook up with the other’s girl or something or are you all just fighting to see who can be the most immature.

As to the original post. I tried the spec in WvW, but still think that a 5/0/30/15/20 set up works better FOR ME. Even though the spec isn’t ideal for me, I respect that you posted it here.

Exactly why I stopped posting. Threads like this aren’t good depictions of the thief community when new members come in and want to learn something other than who has the larger kitten (which really doesn’t matter, because North Americans have this problem thinking that they’ll become Internet famous or something by playing a game.)

PS: famous or infamous …nobody really cares. its about respect to each other and common courtesy/ empathy. you came off very rude with your initial comments and sorry but if somebody is rude to me i address it. very american….yes we stand up for ourselves proud to be american!

I’m American as well, but I lack the superiority complex you and most of the thief community have. It’s my job to quell that so that any newcomers aren’t scared off by the obvious kitten issues the majority of forum thieves have. You may have a lot of posts, Travlane but the majority of them don’t rest well against the opinions of others. I think it’s cute that you try to scare me with hollow threats and belittlement when you’ve nothing to show for it yourself. I started a seed and it grew. No post since I questioned your “best overall build” has been anything but condescending and rude, and it’s solely your fault from your reactions to each and every post we’ve made. I can barely understand a word you say between the lack of sentence structure and massive inquiry of grammar errors, yet you insult our education like some child. You ignore the fact that I’m a member of Team Legacy, the #1 PvP guild and a fantastic WvW guild which pioneered tactics and led the entire scene for the first 5 months of the game before Team Paradigm took the stand after our official leave of Guild Wars 2. Having that background, I advise you to take what I say very seriously, because it’s a hell of a lot more than what you’ve got. I don’t care about your build, because it’s redundant. The fact of the matter is you insinuate your faculties to give you this inherent right as some “master”. No matter how many hours you’ve played, you don’t know it all. I don’t claim to know everything about our entire class because there are literally hundreds of thousands of combinations that may or may not work for different situations. I asked at the beginning of my posting in this thread: please stop claiming to be a master, because clearly you aren’t. It weighs on new thieves browsing and lurking, and frankly makes all of us look bad.

Your build doesn’t matter, nor your skill. There is a certain etiquette when on the forums and I’m asking you in the kindest manner to use it. Thank you.

@viking jorun….. u are delusional and i also dont believe you are american. only reason is most of us are educated and dont say " the thief community have" or " quell that so that" so this makes me a grammar idiot? actually no… i write like i talk which is more like a blog/blogging and yours is just play wrong. aint got no good grammar like the right now is the type of stuff ur typing….. anyway that aside as i said if u have a DIFFERENT OPINION then its fine to share thakittens actually welcomed here in the forum community. but do it with respect. you started this war remember that. YOU STARTED kitten not me. i made a post with a stated opinion of mine and other thieves can take what they like from it…or nothing at all. but to come in and just troll like you did was immature and childish. to be honest i shouldnt have even responded in the first place. see that? thats maturity…stepping up and admitting a personal self wrong. here its been a few pages so ill REFRESH your memory with your FIRST POST on this thread lets see how much lies/BS you come up with in your last post and make you look a lil silly.

VIKING JORUN : I feel like this is a joke considering your lack of survivability and reliance on stealth coupled with the fact that you don’t use caltrops, Uncatchable or any other condition complimenting trait.

Ok so literally your first line is a straight up insult. way to begin you donkey lol. lets move on to the next.

VIKING JORUN: Literally the only thing in this build that shouts “conditions!” is your carrion gear, which people seem to think is good for thieves.

another insult? 2 for 2 huh?

VIKING JORUN: Maybe it’s because I’ve built myself as an invincible condition thief, but for the most part I feel like little effort is put into making the thief more survivable than berserker builds.

so im the self proclaimed omniscient thief? seems like you kind of took that cake on the first post. well done…hypocrite

VIKING JORUN: For me, survivability is the ability to be at a stalemate with a zerg while they try to kill you for over 10 minutes when you finally decide to let them kill you so that you can release back to the main group or run away depending on the situation.

only comment/opinion you made without a snide comment or rude remark. your whole msg should have been along these without trying to claim ur the best. i claim a build is the best overalll….u claim u are.

so again in summation you are a troll….u r rude…. u r a hypocrite….coward….liar. come at me correct like and adult next time.

PS nobody cares about your guild. team legacy. stand up for yourself….dont stand behind a team…guild…country or whatever. be a man. and also…. my guild beats 50 v 50 GvG battles without even having 1 downed player. its on video. BP … peace out. ill bet u say size is what mmakes a guild great….we may not be the biggest but organized and skilled….yes later immature kiddo.

There you go again with those back lashing comments that repeat what I’ve already stated I’m not, and that don’t matter. I kindly asked you to back down, to let this thread die. I’d like to hear others opinions on this, because clearly you have no sense of direction in your posts. You claim to be mature yet go on to talk about how I am in your eyes via name-calling and self-entitlement.

You call me a kiddo, yet the only one I see here pointing fingers and calling names is you. Every time you reply in the manner you’ve been it ruins your credibility more and more. I and many others challenged you to duels which you haven’t followed up on, and we continually point out flaws in each post of yours while you persist to continue.

I ask that you apologize to myself, DrYamak, and Torniker and end this discussion, because clearly it isn’t going anywhere but downhill for you or any of us. I’ll be the first to apologize to you for starting this, and I expect no less from you. Any rebuttal will show the entire thief community how childish you are, so take the high road, apologize, and stop posting like the rest of us. There’s no point wasting any more energy on this thread.

back lashing? do u know what that means? lol….and you are not what?

let it die sure. but dont act like you didnt start something with immaturity and try walk off blaming it on me. the truth be said. then let it die.

and yes…. ive proved my comments with video….quoting you (first one too!)….math… etc etc. so yeah.

i will not appologize to either 3 of you. you came on this thread being rude and immature. like i said if u have a diff opinion say it but say it respectfully not like kitten ’s . that sound fair?

the only thing i can appologize for is responding to immaturity. so there im sorry for that. but i can’t apologize for defending myself or making a stand. any man would when faced with disrespect !

peace out. i will be making more posts in the future and i will be fine with any of you posting on my threads. even if u disagree. just come correct and say it with respect. not like you guys did here.

we are all entitled to our opinions.

and yes ive said a few names. would u like me to go tally yours vs mine? i bet im well under yours.

also its true i have 3 haters on here but i legit have bout 20+ msgs in game and few on here about compliments and requests for advice and to ignore the hate…. so its ok it really doesnt bother me. im always up for a GOOD debate. unfor this wasnt one .

Yea, this thread is out of control and needs to be locked and I’m a hypocrite for offering my two cents.

Viking, by responding you’re only antagonizing him to keep this nonsense going.

Travlane, why any of this matters to you this much is psychotic and outright scary, seriously, get away from your computer, go outside and reconsider your priorities. The world that matters is right outside your front door.

The best way is just to ignore posts of this “man”, let him to speak with voices in his head and continue to believe in mythical “mastery” and "superiority ". Travln, you fabricate evidences in the MMO game, you have big problems with your brain.

jonwar.4186:

Yea, this thread is out of control and needs to be locked and I’m a hypocrite for offering my two cents.

Viking, by responding you’re only antagonizing him to keep this nonsense going.

Travlane, why any of this matters to you this much is psychotic and outright scary, seriously, get away from your computer, go outside and reconsider your priorities. The world that matters is right outside your front door.

Finally someone talks some sense into these guys , such a thread not locked after this long is baffling , i guess the mods are on vacay.

This copy paste from another thread of Travln, called – Cloack and Dagger BUG!!?

Vavume.8065:

Played D/D since release, I’m not experiencing any problems with C&D, the only time it fails is if I’ve triggered a stealth trap.
Watched your vid Travlane and you are trying to cloak while revealed is still up, thats not lag, just bad timing. TBH you just played really badly, the first immune you threw a junk while in stealth that revealed u and then you tryed to cloak immediantly, and the 2nd immune was because you attacked with cloak while in stealth…

And Travln respond to Vavume:

0_o i have a 50 to 1 kill death ratio…….roughly give or take….. 6250 achievement points…… full hall…..legendary (almost 3)…..3k hours logged on thief……5 suites of armor….10 weapon sets…. 4 lvl 80s…..(only the important ones lol) anyone not a bragging session my points is i know kitten well what timing is. i can get CND to go off with stealth so fast it seems like revealed is still on.

what you are seeing in a video is not what we are seeing while playing. i have been on thief for 9 months and have pretty much mastered every build (other than p/p) so all the sudden complaining about a bug like this or maybe its lag or bottle necking information from game to desktop/laptop is debateable. what i do know is its not a L2P issue. many experienced thieves are having this problem. it is 100% on anets end.

This is hilarious Travln. Bravo, we want more) First time i just think that you are bad fat troll. But now i realize that you are too dumb for this, you tasty food for trolls and nothing more.

ok so if i have 2 videos….one missing …timing….and odd kitten going on…and others that are before patch….. that are perfect. what would your hypothesis be as to why they are different.

you have no analytical skills. i have had dozens of people….in game/ in forums / on bug page say the same thing is happening. its obviously not L2p issue. anyone who has logged as many hours would have to be atleast above par when it comes to such

off to work. back tnite.

Invizible.2960
his happened to me in the Dredge fractals last night as well
about 14 hours ago

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176
this is not l2p issue, i only use thief fact is it is only toon i have, i will have my nuts cut off and delete 3 my legendaries if this is l2p but its not. ive been ambushing, fighting, roaming duel and zerging and it is the first time it really happened in my 4 months of playing. even fails on a simple mobs.
just a glass cannon thief chasing a zergs tail.
Asura thief on Blackgate

Quickfoot Katana.8642
Its not a stealthnerf, its more like an annoying bug. If you have air/flame sigils, and your Cloak n Dagger hits a crit, triggering the sigil, the damage from the sigil will cause you being revealed.
Its like trying to trigger stealth with a smoke field ?big ol bomb. For some reason the aoe dmg from that bomb is separated into two so it stealths and reveals you instantly
about an hour ago

Sir Vincent III.1286
I was playing in hot join last night and I did notice the “instant revealed” when I used CnD. Not sure what’s the deal but perhaps it’s my dancing daggers still bouncing around when I went in stealth. Not really sure.

Geiir.7603
I’ve seen the bug where I’m still visible (looks like it’s only I who can see myself) but the stealth buff is up, so I guess it’s just a visual bug that I can see? :S

Renxian.6982
I’ve noticed a lot of pre-cast delay in my weapon skills for my thief in general since the last major patch.
It seems we get glitchier every patch.

Renxian.6982
no its either a game lag issue or a stealth issue….i am not walking out of friendly refuges or anything like that. im talking str8 up hittingwith CND and it not invising me or buff stealth showing up. somtimes i hit CND and go right to reveal without even using another skill.
I had that happen with Shadow Refuge actually.
I sat in it for full duration, the refuge disappeared, I took one step and got revealed debuff.

Kabuki.9103z
wait do you have the sigil of fire equipped by any chance?
ive noticed a little bug or something where if the aoe hits another enemy, the fire reveals you
This might explain the problem. Solution? Anet should make sure stealth is applied after all CnD weapon and sigil damage.

jonwar.4186
I’m glad I’m not the only one with this problem. been noticing this alot too where cloak and dagger’s arent landing because of skill lag and when it hits I’ll be stealthed then immediately revealed. also theres been about a 2-3 second delay using sneak shot where I hit this skill and it doesnt fire until Im revealed..so then obviously it isnt even sneak shot anymore. I dont play on the best gaming set up but I have a decent system, this skill lag/revealed bug has only started in the last week.
I really think something is messed up on arenanets end, other players/classes have been saying they’re experiencing the same kind of problems with their character. Last night in world verses world myself and 5 different players on different ends of the map all got the same lag spike, we froze in place for a good 5-10 seconds

Animus.6453
This has been happening to me too, I’m not sure if it’s a bug or caused by network lag but randomly if I try to stealth (through whatever means, hide in shadows, SR and so on), I’ll instantly be revealed for absolutely no reason. I don’t use auto-attack, it’s turned off for all of my weapon sets. I don’t understand whats going on. Combat log indicates I’ve attacked nothing either. A bit irritating. :\

there you go. proven wrong again. this is not a 1 person problem or l2p. 1 person or maybe 2 vs dozens? i cant paste the in game conversations obviously but there is some problems going on. it may not be you….but just bc its not you doesnt mean its not happening. have to get that ego centric mind frame out of the way. many are having problems.

Viking Jorun.5413:

I’m American as well, but I lack the superiority complex you and most of the thief community have. It’s my job to quell that so that any newcomers aren’t scared off by the obvious kitten issues the majority of forum thieves have. You may have a lot of posts, Travlane but the majority of them don’t rest well against the opinions of others. I think it’s cute that you try to scare me with hollow threats and belittlement when you’ve nothing to show for it yourself. I started a seed and it grew. No post since I questioned your “best overall build” has been anything but condescending and rude, and it’s solely your fault from your reactions to each and every post we’ve made. I can barely understand a word you say between the lack of sentence structure and massive inquiry of grammar errors, yet you insult our education like some child. You ignore the fact that I’m a member of Team Legacy, the #1 PvP guild and a fantastic WvW guild which pioneered tactics and led the entire scene for the first 5 months of the game before Team Paradigm took the stand after our official leave of Guild Wars 2. Having that background, I advise you to take what I say very seriously, because it’s a hell of a lot more than what you’ve got. I don’t care about your build, because it’s redundant. The fact of the matter is you insinuate your faculties to give you this inherent right as some “master”. No matter how many hours you’ve played, you don’t know it all. I don’t claim to know everything about our entire class because there are literally hundreds of thousands of combinations that may or may not work for different situations. I asked at the beginning of my posting in this thread: please stop claiming to be a master, because clearly you aren’t. It weighs on new thieves browsing and lurking, and frankly makes all of us look bad.

Your build doesn’t matter, nor your skill. There is a certain etiquette when on the forums and I’m asking you in the kindest manner to use it. Thank you.

i like how you take a page out of my book…so to speak. i call you out on YOU starting drama and being incredibly rude. if YOU are the FIRST one to START being rude and disrespectful you CANNOT ask for the other person to be decent. its up to you to do that. what world do you come from where you are rude to somebody out of the blue and expect them to react in a decent manner? i mean really. its like punching somebody in the face and saying dont hit me back…have some class and act like a decent human being. that is prolly normal in your mind right? lol….bizarre just bizarre.

Hey everybody
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Moderator.9604:

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Just wondering; there’s that pistol trait in trickery…ever tried it, is it worth it under any circumstances? Those other trickery (steal-buffing) traits are just so good, I can’t imagine justifying it, even in a p/d build.

I could see it in a p/p build, but thats a lot of points to invest in stats that don’t help much.

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Like Travlane i play conditions thief : http://youtu.be/bFn5k0QDvvY

…good build… for me too
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bobross.5034:

Just wondering; there’s that pistol trait in trickery…ever tried it, is it worth it under any circumstances? Those other trickery (steal-buffing) traits are just so good, I can’t imagine justifying it, even in a p/d build.

I could see it in a p/p build, but thats a lot of points to invest in stats that don’t help much.

I’m guessing you mean the ricochet trait (50% chance for pistol shots to ricochet to another target) in trickery? It could be viable if you’re using pistol/dagger in WvW and maximising the 3 second reveal duration to do a lot of sneak shots, but it’s debatable.

I can see why taking 1500 range steal with the daze interrupt and 20% extra cooldown would be useful for this pistol/dagger build (that the thread was originally focused on talking about), as you’d otherwise be limited to 900 range with your attacks and be without any gap closers.

I still think that dagger/pistol 0/20/30/20/0 is a hard counter to this build though, in a 1v1 situation. With the cleanse conditions every three seconds in stealth and heal ~350 every second in stealth, it almost completely mitigates the condition damage that a pistol/dagger build puts out, and the direct damage (i.e. non condition damage) from pistol/dagger isn’t enough to really put pressure on a dagger/pistol thief.

i prefer ricochet when 1 v Xing and zerging. in duels i prefer bountiful theft. it all depends on where you are at.