If anyone would like to know of a Boonmaniac Thief build I have theiry crafted about. You can throw me an email in game AikijinX.6258. I will not release to the public just yet, I’ve only shown members of my guild CNB, and they are in love with the Permanent Fury/Swiftness/Vigor/and Might, that they can self produce and stack, and yes i’m saying permanent.
I’m making a 2nd boonmaniac build that grants extra damage, which is still in beta and is being tested. I have a good team to help test the results.
This is only a thread to let you guys know there is builds out there. I’ve seen a couple people ask about support thieves, so i decided to indulge myself in many trials, and tests.
So just to reiterate, mail me in game, and I can go over the build structure.
~Take care you guys
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
Doesn’t sound like anything particularly special. 30 Trickery and enough +boon duration % to overlap applications, throw in Signets of Power if you want to and boom, done.
Both of you are wrong. And I disapprove of the negativity. I still have a little bit of tweaking to do, but once finished. I will mainstream the build. It’s primarily done.
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
x/x/x/30/30 with thrill of the crime, bountifull theft and sleight of hand, runes that give proc on heal, withdrawl, S/D. Along with might on dodge food or boon duration food.
Something along those lines most likely..
Anyway, people are negative because you won’t release it to public most likely, I dunno..
I’m being negative because my genuine first impression was that it’s a build anyone could have conjured up if they cared enough about the traited boons. There are all sorts of Runes and consumables to facilitate them. Feel free to message me and prove me wrong.
Alright so I guess now is the right time to release this build (which is unfinished). You guys were smart with how you thought of the x6 Runes of Altruism and food item. But I already went down that path. Myself and partner already ran multiple tests, and no overlapping boon affects could be made. So with that being said. Here it is.
As I said before this is for support, and and self production of permanent real overlapping boons. (Vigor, Swiftness, Fury, Might). My team and I are working on trying to incorporate more damage, but still being able to sustain, while maintaining the same structure.
The downside to this build is that you have little condition cleanser, which could easily be substituted out for 0/0/10/30/30. But to incorporate the permanent fury aspect of the build I had to gain the furious retaliation trait. So necro’s would eat you up. But if you are careful like I am and know how to play S/D well it should not be an issue 8/10 times you fight one.
My partner will be making a condition build that works around this same boonmaniac structure. So please stay alert for that.
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
And then a S/D thief stole them all, and your build is naught.
Which wouldn’t happen due to the fact that, you will always need to dodge to produce swiftness, which then produces might, and some return of your endurance. If you cant dodge L.S then that’s a L2P issue.
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
And then a S/D thief stole them all, and your build is naught.
Which wouldn’t happen due to the fact that, you will always need to dodge to produce swiftness, which then produces might, and some return of your endurance. If you cant dodge L.S then that’s a L2P issue.
Who said anything about it undodgeable? But you can’t really tell me that you won’t
ever get hit by LS, after all there are some ways to make it unevadeable.
(By using stuns/teleports and so on)
Well whatever since it’s an WvW only build it doesn’t even matter, but I wish you a lot
of fun with it.
And then a S/D thief stole them all, and your build is naught.
Which wouldn’t happen due to the fact that, you will always need to dodge to produce swiftness, which then produces might, and some return of your endurance. If you cant dodge L.S then that’s a L2P issue.
Who said anything about it undodgeable? But you can’t really tell me that you won’t
ever get hit by LS, after all there are some ways to make it unevadeable.
(By using stuns/teleports and so on)
Well whatever since it’s an WvW only build it doesn’t even matter, but I wish you a lot
of fun with it.
I meant no harm in what I said. But a careful thief would be able to dodge the strike. Good timing dodges so that you don’t waste your endurance pool. And still being able to maintain vigor at all times. While still having Shadow step utility, and potential roll for initiative if you choose to go that route. I chose blinding powder, and and shadow refuge along with S.S.
And thank you my friend I wish you well, with all your thief endeavors, and hope that you took a preview at the build.
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
Alright so I guess now is the right time to release this build (which is unfinished). You guys were smart with how you thought of the x6 Runes of Altruism and food item. But I already went down that path. Myself and partner already ran multiple tests, and no overlapping boon affects could be made. So with that being said. Here it is.
As I said before this is for support, and and self production of permanent real overlapping boons. (Vigor, Swiftness, Fury, Might). My team and I are working on trying to incorporate more damage, but still being able to sustain, while maintaining the same structure.
The downside to this build is that you have little condition cleanser, which could easily be substituted out for 0/0/10/30/30. But to incorporate the permanent fury aspect of the build I had to gain the furious retaliation trait. So necro’s would eat you up. But if you are careful like I am and know how to play S/D well it should not be an issue 8/10 times you fight one.
My partner will be making a condition build that works around this same boonmaniac structure. So please stay alert for that.
What a terrible build.
0 combat potential at all.
Not to mention straight up lying to the community to try to hide some “secret,” when the (obvious) answer was given 2 posts in. (30 Trickery + Boon duration.)
I’ll put aside the negative comments, and just add. As I said in the post. This build is for Support, and Self production of boons. Which also gives the the capability to move around maps quicker, where as you can free up a utility slot from signet of shadows. I said we are in the process of making more of a damage based build, which will still have this similar structure.
and Auesis I was speaking in terms of the signet of power, which is not incorporated in the build. I apologize I was not clear.
I shouldn’t have shared this. Which is solely my fault.
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
I’ll put aside the negative comments, and just add. As I said in the post. This build is for Support, and Self production of boons. Which also gives the the capability to move around maps quicker, where as you can free up a utility slot from signet of shadows. I said we are in the process of making more of a damage based build, which will still have this similar structure.
and Auesis I was speaking in terms of the signet of power, which is not incorporated in the build. I apologize I was not clear.
I shouldn’t have shared this. Which is solely my fault.
Dont worry bro, thief forum has always been like this, we still love you!!
You’re clearly trolling which explains the hate. And ripping off a six month old build and tweaking it to make it worse is not some super secret. You’re eight though, there are a lot of builds the are garbage like this one. And you’re making new thieves worse off by sharing this.
You’re clearly trolling which explains the hate. And ripping off a six month old build and tweaking it to make it worse is not some super secret. You’re eight though, there are a lot of builds the are garbage like this one. And you’re making new thieves worse off by sharing this.
First off, that 6 month old build I supposedly tweaked I was unfortunately unaware of. And if you are going to trash talk, and not relay constructive proper criticism with out shutting a person down then don’t make a comment. Ever.
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
Question: why all the healing power? I find healing power near useless for thieves since we have a very limited access to healing other players (that would require you to take 10 in shadow arts to give regeneration to allies when you stealth them) and we have more than enough ways to survive, so healing isn’t the problem for us.
You’re missing out on a lot of damage (I know the build isn’t finished yet, just giving some feedback) with this build, and personally I would focus a lot more on dealing damage. A thiefs strength isn’t the boons, it’s the burst that we are capable of dealing that makes us stand out.
I like the idea of having a high uptime in boons, but the most efficient way would be to get stacks of boons as bursts, along with our damage. But this game is suppose to be played the way you like, so I wouldn’t care too much what the others are saying. If you enjoy this build, then use it! I would like to see the build once it’s finished though!
Question: why all the healing power? I find healing power near useless for thieves since we have a very limited access to healing other players (that would require you to take 10 in shadow arts to give regeneration to allies when you stealth them) and we have more than enough ways to survive, so healing isn’t the problem for us.
You’re missing out on a lot of damage (I know the build isn’t finished yet, just giving some feedback) with this build, and personally I would focus a lot more on dealing damage. A thiefs strength isn’t the boons, it’s the burst that we are capable of dealing that makes us stand out.
I like the idea of having a high uptime in boons, but the most efficient way would be to get stacks of boons as bursts, along with our damage. But this game is suppose to be played the way you like, so I wouldn’t care too much what the others are saying. If you enjoy this build, then use it! I would like to see the build once it’s finished though!
Well initially this build was built for just single handed roaming, and being able to survive large encounters. Zerg base fights, and the thing about this build is that it is not dependent on the type of armor used, what it is dependent on is the type of runes, traits, and sigils equipped. I could incorporate the damage by using zerker gear, and using 10/30/0/0/30. I have encountered many 1v1 using this build and they’ve nearly all came out in a win on my part. Besides necromancer. But thank you for the support.
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
You can have 100% uptime and great damage without zerk armor. All it is is traitlines food and runes, the rest is completely customizable however you want it to be.
I believe the OP is hiding a secret (he is playing a thief after all-no offence).The secret is a lot of celestial armor ,weapons and trinkets and boon duration food. Something like this
I believe this is very close to what he is talking about. I haven’t played an evesive spec like that and propably I’ll never play (I’ m a WvW guild player with 1500h of thief playing) so I can’t comment a build like that. The build is decent and looks good for solo roaming .
Main : Thief – Shadowdancer X
Alts : Warrior- Mesmer lvl 80 [Piken Square]
Death is just the beginning
Wow…
1781 Power, 15% crit chance, 30% crit damage. Talk about inability to ever kill anything ever, even if you kept up 25 stacks of might and fury full time it wouldnt help.
Wow…
1781 Power, 15% crit chance, 30% crit damage. Talk about inability to ever kill anything ever, even if you kept up 25 stacks of might and fury full time it wouldnt help.
I feel like everyone is choosing to ignore the actual build purpose. This build is for support as i have been saying, And myself and partner will be working on a more damage based build working around the same framework. By the way Wish, I am still able to kill, due to the fact that they blow CD’s and i’m simply dodging, confusing, and mustering up boons, until i’m ready to execute.
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
Both builds have high Fury uptime (the main boon I care about besides Vigor). The reduced build sacrifices the Daze and a slightly larger Steal CD for much higher dodging capabilities (perma-Vigor and endurance return), something that I find ends up being very useful in Fractal 48 runs to smooth things out. I find it much more versatile than build 1, though build 1 is better for guild speed runs.
I thank you guys for giving out some pretty good ideas. This is what I want from the community, not instant bashing of something you personally may not like or see viable. I have began the process of the DPS boonmaniac build. starting with 0/20/0/20/30. The rest I will share with you via build editor when completed. I ran some tests roaming, and it pushes out sufficient damage, while maintaining a good boon count.
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
Here is the boon duration i pushed out. It’s almost synchronized with the steal CD, Just need to figure out how to add alittle bit more, and it’ll be equal to my steal CD.
(This is the support build, NOT DPS) I don’t need any negative commentary.
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Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
Why do people do this? Why do you try to “hide” your build, as if it were some kind of top secret super revolution that’s worthy of the thief nobel prize? Why do you want people to whisper you? Are you looking for personal approval? Are you an attention seeking missile? I think you might be.
This is where the apparent negativity stems from. That attitude is really obnoxious. Especially since the build is absolutely not novelty. Changing 5 points doesn’t make it so either.
I was the best at burning things. Especially bosses that
didn’t move.
Why do people do this? Why do you try to “hide” your build, as if it were some kind of top secret super revolution that’s worthy of the thief nobel prize? Why do you want people to whisper you? Are you looking for personal approval? Are you an attention seeking missile? I think you might be.
This is where the apparent negativity stems from. That attitude is really obnoxious. Especially since the build is absolutely not novelty. Changing 5 points doesn’t make it so either.
First off there was no “hiding” of anything. I didn’t post anything at first, due to the fact that I wanted to know and get feed back from people before actually going through and posting the build on the forums It was unfinished when I posted it because i sensed the frustration from people. And the way you speak to me so condescendingly makes me wonder why you haven’t won a thief Nobel prize yet Mr. I’m so big and bad, and as I said before I wanted feed back, not approval. Constructive criticism is good. I don’t seek attention, but apparently you do, if you feel the need to bully and lower people’s self esteem over the internet. I didn’t display an inch of attitude nor did I ask for your egotistical criticized opinion. You have some nerve to come here in that manner.
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
Why do people do this? Why do you try to “hide” your build, as if it were some kind of top secret super revolution that’s worthy of the thief nobel prize? Why do you want people to whisper you? Are you looking for personal approval? Are you an attention seeking missile? I think you might be.
This is where the apparent negativity stems from. That attitude is really obnoxious. Especially since the build is absolutely not novelty. Changing 5 points doesn’t make it so either.
First off there was no “hiding” of anything. I didn’t post anything at first, due to the fact that I wanted to know and get feed back from people before actually going through and posting the build on the forums It was unfinished when I posted it because i sensed the frustration from people. And the way you speak to me so condescendingly makes me wonder why you haven’t won a thief Nobel prize yet Mr. I’m so big and bad, and as I said before I wanted feed back, not approval. Constructive criticism is good. I don’t seek attention, but apparently you do, if you feel the need to bully and lower people’s self esteem over the internet. I didn’t display an inch of attitude nor did I ask for your egotistical criticized opinion. You have some nerve to come here in that manner.
Ive won 2 Thief nobel prizes, and I agree with Oxygen, I only posted here because I found you slightly annoying with your ‘ZOMG GUIZ I HAS NEW BUILD BUT YOU CANT HAS ITS!’ If you really cared about feedback youd have posted it originally with a detailed explanation of why you picked different traits/items and asked for advise. You expected people to go crazy for you and beg for it, when its just some stuff that others have already done/thought of and realized wasnt very good.
Here, let me help you out: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYEQJA8YlYm6NncS4E+5Ex2DfKUe6VgsdP4qVrKA-jEDBoLDZm+AgKAO7pIas1uht6KalXBRXDT5SoW7KR2bMa1GcACBUeMA-w
Now you can actually play sword/dagger correctly because youre in the Acrobatics tree, you get executioner and have power main stat in everything, so your damage isnt so bad.
Oils
(1921+250+(35 * 25) * ((1 * .47) + ((1.5+.74) * .53))=3621.05
Stones
(2050+250+(35 * 25) * ((1 * .53) + ((1.5+.74) * .47))=3684.95
Stones win even with 25 stacks of might. Just make sure you hit that 47% Crit chance which will require a precision infusion or two.
Why do people do this? Why do you try to “hide” your build, as if it were some kind of top secret super revolution that’s worthy of the thief nobel prize? Why do you want people to whisper you? Are you looking for personal approval? Are you an attention seeking missile? I think you might be.
This is where the apparent negativity stems from. That attitude is really obnoxious. Especially since the build is absolutely not novelty. Changing 5 points doesn’t make it so either.
First off there was no “hiding” of anything. I didn’t post anything at first, due to the fact that I wanted to know and get feed back from people before actually going through and posting the build on the forums It was unfinished when I posted it because i sensed the frustration from people. And the way you speak to me so condescendingly makes me wonder why you haven’t won a thief Nobel prize yet Mr. I’m so big and bad, and as I said before I wanted feed back, not approval. Constructive criticism is good. I don’t seek attention, but apparently you do, if you feel the need to bully and lower people’s self esteem over the internet. I didn’t display an inch of attitude nor did I ask for your egotistical criticized opinion. You have some nerve to come here in that manner.
Ive won 2 Thief nobel prizes, and I agree with Oxygen, I only posted here because I found you slightly annoying with your ‘ZOMG GUIZ I HAS NEW BUILD BUT YOU CANT HAS ITS!’ If you really cared about feedback youd have posted it originally with a detailed explanation of why you picked different traits/items and asked for advise. You expected people to go crazy for you and beg for it, when its just some stuff that others have already done/thought of and realized wasnt very good.
Here, let me help you out: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYEQJA8YlYm6NncS4E+5Ex2DfKUe6VgsdP4qVrKA-jEDBoLDZm+AgKAO7pIas1uht6KalXBRXDT5SoW7KR2bMa1GcACBUeMA-w
Now you can actually play sword/dagger correctly because youre in the Acrobatics tree, you get executioner and have power main stat in everything, so your damage isnt so bad.
Oils
(1921+250+(35 * 25) * ((1 * .47) + ((1.5+.74) * .53))=3621.05
Stones
(2050+250+(35 * 25) * ((1 * .53) + ((1.5+.74) * .47))=3684.95
Stones win even with 25 stacks of might. Just make sure you hit that 47% Crit chance which will require a precision infusion or two.
And again, you neglect to realize the whole “this is my support build.” I have said this in the beginning and will continue saying this. Myself and partner are working on a better damaged based boonmaniac build, that encompasses the same boonmaniac support (boon duration) build.
Maguuma
AikijinX- [Mada] [MILF] [HUNT] 7.3k Thief Hours Defend Your Back
And again, you neglect to realize the whole “this is my support build.” I have said this in the beginning and will continue saying this. Myself and partner are working on a better damaged based boonmaniac build, that encompasses the same boonmaniac support (boon duration) build.
Exactly what support are you giving again?
Here’s something I consider a support build: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUEQNAW5elcgqC33RLEm4ES2jVCBTQsHYUG1RXFoIA-jUCBoNCyZRFRjt2NsVXRr8KIqZJSZDT9So2erIa1CBwaBA-w
It gives allies protection 75% of the time, you 100%, regen 50% of the time for everyone, you 75%~, retaliation 100% of the time for everyone, stability 33% of the time for everyone, with additional stability on demand (F3), it maintains vigor on you 100% of the time so you do 1500 heals at the end of your dodge rolls every 5 seconds, you maintain 14 stacks of might on everyone around you, 2500 heal for everyone every 15 seconds, you convert 1 condition to a boon on everyone around you every 15~ seconds, you can remove everyones conditions every 45 seconds, you have an additional 3 condi clear and 4500~ aoe heal if you need it (F2), and you get tome of courage, which is sorta OP for healing.
And this just the dependable stuff. You also get staff 2 for healing, 5 for a wall, shield 5 to absorb projectiles/heal/knock people back, your #6 does a decent heal for allies and some other stuff Im probably forgetting. You just need to keep your team a bit together and in front of you, and this build is pretty amazing for support.
Wish, who the heck are you do you think you are a special thief? Lol, i guess he probillary wouldnt orginally post becuse of he dont want devs to get hands on it. i dont really he did it for feeling special. And wish if you hear BOONmaniac, what do you think which type of support that is then?…. Lol you are and idiot l2p.
Wish, who the heck are you do you think you are a special thief? Lol, i guess he probillary wouldnt orginally post becuse of he dont want devs to get hands on it. i dont really he did it for feeling special. And wish if you hear BOONmaniac, what do you think which type of support that is then?…. Lol you are and idiot l2p.
I would love to respond to this, but you failed so hard at typing the only thing I understand is that you think I am dumb. But seriously….
“you are and idiot”? At least type correctly when you call others stupid.
Again, that about critical damage, you still wont do damage by just stacking power dude. And typying has nothing do with stupidness… idiot.
Are you finally ready to show me that math about why Celestial is the best gear because it offers so much crit damage? It sure sounds like it from the beginning of your response.
Also since you’re incapable of reading and comprehending, here’s what I actually said and what I’ve always maintained.
Power, Crit Chance, and Crit Damage all matter.
I’ve never said Power is all that’s important. You however maintain that Crit Damage is all you need, which is completely wrong.
I also really liked how you completely failed again while trying to call me stupid. “And typying has nothing do with stupidness… idiot.” Typing has everything to do with stupidity. You don’t even know the proper suffix to add to stupid, which is pretty bad considering how often you like to insult others intelligence.
Huh. I run 0/10/0/30/30 on my Celestial S/P thief. I don’t boon strip, but it just seemed a bit coincidental.
Before anyone goes off on me for using Celestial gear, it’s specific ONLY to my a/p build. I wouldn’t ever use it with any other build if my life depended on it. The gear is ONLY good for “universal” builds that benefit from every stat. The thief really doesn’t have too many builds like that.
Huh. I run 0/10/0/30/30 on my Celestial S/P thief. I don’t boon strip, but it just seemed a bit coincidental.
Before anyone goes off on me for using Celestial gear, it’s specific ONLY to my a/p build. I wouldn’t ever use it with any other build if my life depended on it. The gear is ONLY good for “universal” builds that benefit from every stat. The thief really doesn’t have too many builds like that.
Have you mathed it out to prove that going with Celestial is better than a mix of Berserkers and Soldiers? The only math Ive ever seen I actually did myself and Celestial came out behind in terms of DPS and Defense. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Celestial-Armor
What exactly is universal about S/P too? It doesnt do condition damage. Are you offhanding P/D?
Huh. I run 0/10/0/30/30 on my Celestial S/P thief. I don’t boon strip, but it just seemed a bit coincidental.
Before anyone goes off on me for using Celestial gear, it’s specific ONLY to my a/p build. I wouldn’t ever use it with any other build if my life depended on it. The gear is ONLY good for “universal” builds that benefit from every stat. The thief really doesn’t have too many builds like that.
Have you mathed it out to prove that going with Celestial is better than a mix of Berserkers and Soldiers? The only math Ive ever seen I actually did myself and Celestial came out behind in terms of DPS and Defense. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Celestial-Armor
What exactly is universal about S/P too? It doesnt do condition damage. Are you offhanding P/D?
Yeah, so I’m able to swap to conditions when I face a D/D ele or bunker Guardian. Like I said, it’s my “universal” build that pretty much covers everything I’d need to face. I have a secondary set that I run Berserker’s gear with my S/P build and swap out P/D for shortbow when I’m not going solo or I opt for team support (opponent lockdown). The celestial set is still far from optimal on each individual weapon set.
