Guild Wars 2

So I found an interesting build the other day:
http://sickestguild.com/forum/m/31644179/viewthread/25202083-spirit-vale-condition-daredevil-guide
It looks like loads of fun, Im curious how effective it is in group and solo play.
Im missing a few fingers from a recent accident and while I love playing games like this.. I just cant do the piano gameplay anymore. Would something like this be more my speed?
I love conditions, I love soloing(world events, roaming in wvw and exploration)
is this the kind of build I’d want?

Oh, wow, that is pretty much the build I use in PvP and I have been having a blast with it. I use carrion amulet in PvP for the vitality, but in PvE I would propably go with a mix of viper and carrion, I’m not a big fan of glass builds. D/D is the main weaponset but for the second set you can take pretty much what you like, I use P/P (venom unload is ridiculous) and traveller runes to make up for the mobility, maybe not the best but I like it this way.

I don’t really PvE with my thief but I would imagine that it works just fine. In PvP venom share works wonders in team fights and the build is good at 1v1 as well. Granted that I’m playing very casually in unranked.

And about your fingers, I don’t enjoy piano gameplay either and I have found this build to be pretty relaxing on that matter, not slow or boring but just fine. The build has a massive condibomb, so in PvP I feel I spend more time planning my moves before hand. It is not a constant button smash as you prepare your poisons and then look for a target.

And fun it is.

I was thinking about pistols for the offset. or shortbow because of mobility Hmmm

Shotzo.6209:

I was thinking about pistols for the offset. or shortbow because of mobility Hmmm

Yes, I still don’t really know it I should take shortbow so I can have a better rune or keep p/p for the unload that does “good” (3k in PvP with carrion) direct damage and is good with venoms. What I do is open with a venom unload, swap to d/d and steal to target, auto attack a while and then basically spam Death Blossom. But in PvE I don’t know if p/p is all that useful (altho with viper the damage might be better) so maybe shortbow for mobility is better. But personally I want some speed boost so shortbow is not enough so it is either traveler runes or Dash.

Have you tried S/P? It’s not condi but for PvE it would use fewer cooldowns (if using signets for their passive effects) with less movement. It might be easier to play.

While I agree Ren, I love conditions in this game; I main a power mm reaper so Im pretty powered out as it were lol I wanna try the other side of things

I would advice remaping the whole game to your numeric keyboard so that you can eventualy develop a ability to play with your other hand.

Unless you lost fingers from both hands, if thats the case you should play DH… you would only need to cast 2 most of the time, and sometimes (a bit of fierce gameplay) cast all your traps one by one with maximum 0.5 seconds between them (thats the daze duration).

You could probabily achieve 100% efficience on DH even if you only have 1 hand to play or half your fingers.

Lmao no im good, the negative flack those guys get is not my speed >.O

Not at all, everyone loves a DH on their team… because you know that doesn’t necessarily need to be a good player to make his presence and power turn the tides of a battle.

Unlike thief… thieves right now okish to play on cases that you are confident that you have extraordinary awareness and duel ability (fast fingers included), not the case of someone who is handcapped at least for now until you don’t completely adapt to your new condition.

Playing ebola deathblossom spam could help to solve this problem I agree.

But to be realy helpful to your team you shouldn’t be considering playing a already underpowered class if you are fisicaly handcapped.

But again thats my opnion only, and I included myself on that team of people who love thieves but are just not godly enough to make it realy helpful for my team. (and I have all my fingers working)

Oh I just realized we’re talking about spvp
I rarely do that tbh. Ill touch it when theres a daily or two I dont wanna do but im mostly hiding around in wvw/world events/story

I can’t speak for the condi thief side, but depending on the missing fingers you might look at an mmo gaming mouse. I use the Utech Venus – you can have all your skills mapped to the thumb buttons, freeing your keyboard hand to only run the arrow keys.

i can get the classic wsad bits done with 1-6 with almost no problems thankfully. just gotta get used to hittingf shift for the rest

Kaliny.8265:

Not at all, everyone loves a DH on their team… because you know that doesn’t necessarily need to be a good player to make his presence and power turn the tides of a battle.

Unlike thief… thieves right now okish to play on cases that you are confident that you have extraordinary awareness and duel ability (fast fingers included), not the case of someone who is handcapped at least for now until you don’t completely adapt to your new condition.

Playing ebola deathblossom spam could help to solve this problem I agree.

But to be realy helpful to your team you shouldn’t be considering playing a already underpowered class if you are fisicaly handcapped.

But again thats my opnion only, and I included myself on that team of people who love thieves but are just not godly enough to make it realy helpful for my team. (and I have all my fingers working)

I play both DH and venom share thief in PvP and I actually feel the opposite, with DH you have to be pretty good to be usefull in the current meta. Also DH needs more button presses than the venom share build and is quite hectic in intense fight as you have to use all 3 virtues at the right time and swap weapons actively. I have killed so many poor DH players with the venom build, if you can survive the traps, the DH is dead meat.

With venom share you are very useful to your team by just sharing venoms. At the moment I’m Super confident in the build and so far I have about 80% winrate with it (might and will drop at one point for sure, but hey, so far so good).

The idea that made me to try venom share was that if my team has too many bunkers that don’t do any damage, at least I can make them spread my condis around. And unlike many other condi builds this one has some good direct damage as well, so you can actually get through diamond skin and kill that ele. At the end of a match my damage has been something like 200k direct damage and 300k condition damage.

I wonder how many ppl actually have tried venoms in PvP but with the build I don’t feel like a liability to my team anymore. I pretty much suck at playing power thief but condi is a whole different thing.

Venoms are a strong opener for a match. Just when the match starts I share venoms and I usually go mid with at least 2 allies and the first enemy on the point gets a massive amount of condis applied to them. At the time you get to mid, venoms are almos off cooldown already so you can share them soon again. Enemy team just melts away.

And, what I would recommend is that you get a MMO gaming mouse that has many buttoms that you can use with your thumb. This way you would have to use only the movement keys on your left arm (assuming you are right handed missing fingers on your left hand).

wait does Venomshare make their dots count as your damage? O.O
Ill pick one up as soon as I can it sounds like it’d make my life a hell of alot easier.

Thanks

Shotzo.6209:

wait doesVenomshare makes their dots count as your damage? O.O

I don’t think so but the damage scales with your condition damage not theirs, so it is actually your conditions they apply.

Sweet, again thanks folks for the help. Wish It was some awesome story that lead to the fingers lost lmao. Word of warning: Stay away from tablesaws if you value your fingers

Yes venomshare dmg is your dmg, not theirs.

You just apply your conditions with their attacks. You can even see the cond dmg ticks while the ally with the venom can`t.

I agree venom share is even more passive than d/d deathblossom spam and DH but is also weaker imo.

Is not hard at all to use f1,f2,f3 on DH… I know hard is relative but this is just easy comparing to keep alive on thief with all aoe spam flying on mid.

I love thief… I realy do, this is one of the biggest reasons I had to admit I`m not good enough to help my team on this meta if i`m playing thief.

I know some can do… but i suspect most can`t.

And my opnion is that someone learning to readjust on a new way of playing shouldn`t do it.

But you could totaly do it on unranked or hotjoin, even edge of the mists.

Speaking of mice, I have a Roccat Nyth. 12 thumb button slots that can be moved or size changed depending on need/preference. I have all my utilities, my 5 skill, sheath weapon and push to talk for TS bound to just the mouse thumb buttons. Given your recent accident (sorry to hear about that btw), it might work well for you.

On the build, I’ve run it in WvW to some success, main problems are DH’s and chronomancers (blocks and invulnerable), Reapers (huge health and condi transfer), immobilise (unless you run dash and go more condi burst oriented) and a general lack of stealth outside of refuge if you sacrifice a venom. Works great for PvE provided you don’t get hit though :P

If you’re using impaling lotus, shortbow is worth it as dodging through a poison field can add quite a substantial number of poison stacks, which makes killing mesmer clones etc a none issue. They don’t last long, but I’ve had a 3k poison tick in WvW from this plus poison on steal and impairing daggers. Single target though, so maybe better for bosses/roaming WvW.

Good luck with things dude!

DH f1, f2, f3 is not hard to use but you have to be quick with them in some situations. With venoms you don’t really have to be quick, you can use them when you think you are getting into a fight, venoms stay on you for 30 sec and CD is 32 sec. If you run carrion thief you have 20k health so it is not too hard to stay in fights. And you can still deathblossom spam all you like, d/d is still there with venoms.

Sure DH can be good too if you can get the keymapping suitable for your fingers. I just feel that it needs some good reflexes and quick fingers in a heat of battle. I myself struggle with reacting to situations fast enough with DH, but it might be just me. Well sure you can play DH very passively with traps and just guard a point but it gets boring pretty fast and is not all that effective.

Can’t speak for PvE tho, but in general you can play pretty much anything in PvE (even with missing fingers), some things are just more effective than others. Some ppl play with arrow keys and click everything with a mouse, so you should be fine too, and with a proper mouse there shouldn’t be any problem for you to play whatever you want.

Have been playing the build mainly in unranked solo-q.

After about 40 some odd levels Im in love with the “burst” condition that venoms bring with daggers and caltrops
Its very fun. I just wish bleeds were a tad better damage. Plus side I get alot from poison as well I suppose