Where are we on this on thief i quite frankly think it is unfair that evry other class has some sort of access to this powerful condition. except maybe the gunk stolen skill thatll apply it if ur stupid enough to stay on it? I really want burning since there is no plan in the near future to move away from this condi spam meta i request a burning type of access so we as condi thiefs can compete with the meta you seem to be perfectly fine staying on.
I think Guardian and Warrior need Stealth too, just saying.
Why not? They’ve already given it to mesmer, ranger and engineer.
On a more serious note, I’m not one to advocate that every class have access to everything, but the lack of burning is a serious hindrance for thief condi specs. How many effective thief condi specs do you see in TPvP?
If you said 0, congratulations, you are correct sir. The problem isn’t necessarily only solvable via burning, but it is the easiest solution, and the one anet might kitten up the least.
If you’re a thief and haven’t
pre-ordered HOT at this point,
save yourself the money and don’t bother.
And we should make all classes playing the same skills/traits/HP/Armor with different name. See? now the problem is solved. Nobody will be better or weaker than others.
We have a problem here but here is your vision “If other classes are imbalanced then we should be imbalanced too.”
But I can not blame you with the way Anet doing thing right now.
Dev: “Yes we see Condi is imbalance and thats why we gave everyone something to deal with it”
And what if I don’t want to use that “something”? It is simple, you have no place in spvp.
Forget burning, I want a thief minion build, with 6 minions that outdps whoever tries to kill them, and also they’ll suck up all dmg that is trying to be done to me and work as shield, and give me armor for every one that is out. Also I want 20k hp + a button I can press for getting 50% extra hp and protection. And a gtfo button that puts every condition in the game on someone.
If not, I’m fine with a healing signet that outheals 70% of glass cannon S/D thieves autoattack.
Forget burning, I want a thief minion build, with 6 minions that outdps whoever tries to kill them, and also they’ll suck up all dmg that is trying to be done to me and work as shield, and give me armor for every one that is out. Also I want 20k hp + a button I can press for getting 50% extra hp and protection. And a gtfo button that puts every condition in the game on someone.
If not, I’m fine with a healing signet that outheals 70% of glass cannon S/D thieves autoattack.
You should probably reroll to a necromancer or warrior. Think about it – why shouldn’t you? If it’s because you like stealth or initiative, that’s your unique mechanic. If it’s because you enjoy the class, you shouldn’t complain. If it’s because you already have the thief 80 and geared, you’re just lazy.
Yes the only way condi thief p/d users are given enough variety and sustained is thru perplexity runes which gives the set enough burst. Since anet added dumbfire or necros why not buff thief condition viability so we can actually be relevant in spvp at least that trait did it and gave necro builds a condition that made them instantly relevant.
And in what way does a P/D thief having a hard time killing someone? Just because Meta is broken therefore we should make our weapon set broken too like they did to S/D?
Well, with Rune of Balthazar you can inflict burning on your heal. Precast the heal -> Steal->Burning applied. Its a weird kind of play but I enjoyed it.
Well, with Rune of Balthazar you can inflict burning on your heal. Precast -> Steal->Burning applied. Its a weird kind of play but I enjoyed it.
Afaik, Balth 6/6 only triggers on pressing 6. I’m not clear on how you’re using it. Precasting what?
Oh sorry. Precast the heal. Since Hide in Shadows and Signet of Malice have a cast-time you can press 6 and then use Steal to teleport to your target. The Healcast will finish when you arrive and trigger the rune for the ae-burning.
Thief is the only class with no access to burn through trait or skills. But i would love to see a war going stealth with his heavy armor clanking and doing backstab using a gs XD.
On a more serious note you cant compare stealth to burning its not a fair trade to begin with. And i believe only mesmer deserves to have stealth other than thief since it has a similar concept (avoidance of dmg and mobile combat not mitigation).
I would be happy if they made one of our venoms into burn of some sort with the limit on duration stacking its not that OP even with venomous aura imo. Maybe that would make venom s more viable in non venom sharing builds who knows i for one would try it.
Edit: i think thief will prolly get burning when/if they add torch as an option. Maybe they ll add some sword of stealth to other classes as well through other weapon sets in the future , its not like they can fit everything in in one weapon set.
Where are we on this on thief i quite frankly think it is unfair that evry other class has some sort of access to this powerful condition. except maybe the gunk stolen skill thatll apply it if ur stupid enough to stay on it? I really want burning since there is no plan in the near future to move away from this condi spam meta i request a burning type of access so we as condi thiefs can compete with the meta you seem to be perfectly fine staying on.
yeah lets give ele’s poison while were at it. Maybe torment too. And stealth! give eles stealth! Yay!
Condition thieves are irrelevant in competitive duels because we lacked variety evry succesful condition build has burning input into it. It is quite frankly the number 1 condition there is where it puts massive pressure on the opponent and the fact that thieves are the only ones without access to it through utilities or traits is pretty crippling to condition thieves. Perplexity makes condition thieves relevant as confusion is able to fulfill that role but to have to rely on runes to actually make our condi build not laughable is unfair where like i stated every other class has access to it thru weapons utilities or traits.
I think Guardian and Warrior need Stealth too, just saying.
Why not? They’ve already given it to mesmer, ranger and engineer.
On a more serious note, I’m not one to advocate that every class have access to everything, but the lack of burning is a serious hindrance for thief condi specs. How many effective thief condi specs do you see in TPvP?
If you said 0, congratulations, you are correct sir. The problem isn’t necessarily only solvable via burning, but it is the easiest solution, and the one anet might kitten up the least.
We don’t need more viable condi builds into this game.
I think Guardian and Warrior need Stealth too, just saying.
Why not? They’ve already given it to mesmer, ranger and engineer.
On a more serious note, I’m not one to advocate that every class have access to everything, but the lack of burning is a serious hindrance for thief condi specs. How many effective thief condi specs do you see in TPvP?
If you said 0, congratulations, you are correct sir. The problem isn’t necessarily only solvable via burning, but it is the easiest solution, and the one anet might kitten up the least.
We don’t need more viable condi builds into this game.
They designed thieves with condition based weapons – P/D, P/P to some extent, and D/D’s dual skill are all clearly intended for condition damage – why should we have non-functioning weapons because conditions are currently in a bad place?
Ask Anet to fix the overall issue, don’t deny a class a functioning condi playstyle because of extraneous issues.
If you’re a thief and haven’t
pre-ordered HOT at this point,
save yourself the money and don’t bother.
I think Guardian and Warrior need Stealth too, just saying.
Why not? They’ve already given it to mesmer, ranger and engineer.
On a more serious note, I’m not one to advocate that every class have access to everything, but the lack of burning is a serious hindrance for thief condi specs. How many effective thief condi specs do you see in TPvP?
If you said 0, congratulations, you are correct sir. The problem isn’t necessarily only solvable via burning, but it is the easiest solution, and the one anet might kitten up the least.
We don’t need more viable condi builds into this game.
They designed thieves with condition based weapons – P/D, P/P to some extent, and D/D’s dual skill are all clearly intended for condition damage – why should we have non-functioning weapons because conditions are currently in a bad place?
Ask Anet to fix the overall issue, don’t deny a class a functioning condi playstyle because of extraneous issues.
I don’t think you realize how overpowered you would be if you were to get access to burning. Simple and plain, thief condi dominates already.
I think Guardian and Warrior need Stealth too, just saying.
Why not? They’ve already given it to mesmer, ranger and engineer.
On a more serious note, I’m not one to advocate that every class have access to everything, but the lack of burning is a serious hindrance for thief condi specs. How many effective thief condi specs do you see in TPvP?
If you said 0, congratulations, you are correct sir. The problem isn’t necessarily only solvable via burning, but it is the easiest solution, and the one anet might kitten up the least.
We don’t need more viable condi builds into this game.
They designed thieves with condition based weapons – P/D, P/P to some extent, and D/D’s dual skill are all clearly intended for condition damage – why should we have non-functioning weapons because conditions are currently in a bad place?
Ask Anet to fix the overall issue, don’t deny a class a functioning condi playstyle because of extraneous issues.
I don’t think you realize how overpowered you would be if you were to get access to burning. Simple and plain, thief condi dominates already.
I’m talking sPvP, not WvW – I have no knowledge of WvW.
In sPvP, condi thieves are kind of a joke. Also, I’m not advocating for Burning specifically, just some design choices that make it more viable.
If you’re a thief and haven’t
pre-ordered HOT at this point,
save yourself the money and don’t bother.
I would be happy if they made one of our venoms into burn of some sort with the limit on duration stacking its not that OP even with venomous aura imo. Maybe that would make venom s more viable in non venom sharing builds who knows i for one would try it.
Fire drake venom instead of ice drake venom. Ice drake right now isn’t worth being used compared to devourer’s (since the stacking patch). At least that’s what I’d suggest. Make the burning only last briefly (so stacking it won’t become op in venom sharing) and add extra damage to it or something (so it also works in solo venom).
Condition thieves are irrelevant in competitive duels because we lacked variety evry succesful condition build has burning input into it.
That argument is a fallacy … Guardian condition build has burning too. Successful isn’t the word I would use to describe it.
im sorry could you please point out to me where i ever said condi guardian is a successful condi build? look at necros poof dumbfire was introduced they instantly became powerhouses staples in spvp and just straight up fights. Know what most good engineers trait into? incendiary powder burning on crit. While we thieves have a 40% chance to inflict vulnerabilty on crit wooopteeedoooo. who gives a kitten about vulnerabilty that doesnt even stick to ur opponent too long to matter?
