Guild Wars 2

Using cluster bomb on a smoke field (out of stealth) and it hits a target, causing revealed.

I don’t understand why other classes can blast finish a smoke field for stealth and deal damage, and yet thieves can’t do it without being revealed. Please fix/change?

I think you need to be a bit more precise which classes can do that.
On my engineer using Smoke Bomb with Throw Mine, Supply Crate or Big Ol’ Bomb resulted in revealed. Using a Detonate Turret skill didn’t cause revealed which is consistent with the way stealth works since the damage didn’t come from me.

They could just give me Caithe’s elite skill instead so I can stealth for 8 seconds and rapid backstab without being revealed…

alchemyst.2165:

Using cluster bomb on a smoke field (out of stealth) and it hits a target, causing revealed.

I don’t understand why other classes can blast finish a smoke field for stealth and deal damage, and yet thieves can’t do it without being revealed. Please fix/change?

Let me guess, you were skipping stuff in an Arah speed run and kittened up. Poor you.

alchemyst.2165:

I don’t understand why other classes can blast finish a smoke field for stealth and deal damage, and yet thieves can’t do it without being revealed. Please fix/change?

They can’t, other players are just better at blasting than you are. L2P

No, none of that. I’m referring to a PvP situation. For example, if I lay down black powder, a warrior can use Earthshaker and get stealth while still hitting everyone in the vicinity. Eles can do this using frozen burst.

Thieves cannot do this with cluster bomb when other classes can. I’m not whining, I’m just stating that this seems silly to me.

Edit: Yes, I understand that I can move away from a target and blast without hitting them, but it still doesn’t make sense that other classes don’t have to do this.

when u use black powder + heart seeker your HS hits the target and you get stealth.

when u use black powder + cluster bomb, the fist hit will deal dmg AND stealth you, if you use it again you will deal dmg to your target WILE in stealth that’s why u get reveled.

alchemyst.2165:

Using cluster bomb on a smoke field (out of stealth) and it hits a target, causing revealed.

I don’t understand why other classes can blast finish a smoke field for stealth and deal damage, and yet thieves can’t do it without being revealed. Please fix/change?

That’s because the blast happens (which stealth you) before the cluster hits (which revealed you). No difference than going in stealth while your SB Autoattack is still bouncing.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

alchemyst.2165:

Using cluster bomb on a smoke field (out of stealth) and it hits a target, causing revealed.

I don’t understand why other classes can blast finish a smoke field for stealth and deal damage, and yet thieves can’t do it without being revealed. Please fix/change?

That’s because the blast happens (which stealth you) before the cluster hits (which revealed you). No difference than going in stealth while your SB Autoattack is still bouncing.

I get WHY it happens, I’m just saying that I don’t get why they haven’t changed it. I just don’t think it makes sense. Shouldn’t all classes be able to? I’m not sure which other classes specifically can’t do it with certain combos, I think someone mentioned earlier that it does not work with Big Ol’ Bomb, which also doesn’t make sense. The blast should come after damage, like Earthshaker, Arcing Arrow, Frozen Burst, etc.

alchemyst id have to guess largely its to give your opponent a chance to counterplay your stealth. If they see your going to start CB spamming your shadow field for stealth they can use a movement skill of some kind to interfere with that. They take extra damage from the CBs but in turn they get another chance to pin you down before you get away.

alchemyst.2165:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

alchemyst.2165:

Using cluster bomb on a smoke field (out of stealth) and it hits a target, causing revealed.

I don’t understand why other classes can blast finish a smoke field for stealth and deal damage, and yet thieves can’t do it without being revealed. Please fix/change?

That’s because the blast happens (which stealth you) before the cluster hits (which revealed you). No difference than going in stealth while your SB Autoattack is still bouncing.

I get WHY it happens, I’m just saying that I don’t get why they haven’t changed it. I just don’t think it makes sense. Shouldn’t all classes be able to? I’m not sure which other classes specifically can’t do it with certain combos, I think someone mentioned earlier that it does not work with Big Ol’ Bomb, which also doesn’t make sense. The blast should come after damage, like Earthshaker, Arcing Arrow, Frozen Burst, etc.

You can’t have the blast come after damage because you need the blast to deal damage. If the blast didn’t happen, then no damage.

IMO, the cluster bomb is working as intended and the Earthshaker and other skills are not.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

alchemyst.2165:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

alchemyst.2165:

Using cluster bomb on a smoke field (out of stealth) and it hits a target, causing revealed.

I don’t understand why other classes can blast finish a smoke field for stealth and deal damage, and yet thieves can’t do it without being revealed. Please fix/change?

That’s because the blast happens (which stealth you) before the cluster hits (which revealed you). No difference than going in stealth while your SB Autoattack is still bouncing.

I get WHY it happens, I’m just saying that I don’t get why they haven’t changed it. I just don’t think it makes sense. Shouldn’t all classes be able to? I’m not sure which other classes specifically can’t do it with certain combos, I think someone mentioned earlier that it does not work with Big Ol’ Bomb, which also doesn’t make sense. The blast should come after damage, like Earthshaker, Arcing Arrow, Frozen Burst, etc.

You can’t have the blast come after damage because you need the blast to deal damage. If the blast didn’t happen, then no damage.

IMO, the cluster bomb is working as intended and the Earthshaker and other skills are not.

Well, either way I think there needs to be a change. I’m fine with it either way as long as this mechanic is balanced across all classes/skills.

alchemyst.2165:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

alchemyst.2165:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

alchemyst.2165:

Using cluster bomb on a smoke field (out of stealth) and it hits a target, causing revealed.

I don’t understand why other classes can blast finish a smoke field for stealth and deal damage, and yet thieves can’t do it without being revealed. Please fix/change?

That’s because the blast happens (which stealth you) before the cluster hits (which revealed you). No difference than going in stealth while your SB Autoattack is still bouncing.

I get WHY it happens, I’m just saying that I don’t get why they haven’t changed it. I just don’t think it makes sense. Shouldn’t all classes be able to? I’m not sure which other classes specifically can’t do it with certain combos, I think someone mentioned earlier that it does not work with Big Ol’ Bomb, which also doesn’t make sense. The blast should come after damage, like Earthshaker, Arcing Arrow, Frozen Burst, etc.

You can’t have the blast come after damage because you need the blast to deal damage. If the blast didn’t happen, then no damage.

IMO, the cluster bomb is working as intended and the Earthshaker and other skills are not.

Well, either way I think there needs to be a change. I’m fine with it either way as long as this mechanic is balanced across all classes/skills.

ArenaNet is really lacking in consistency department…this is not the only one.

If you want want consistency with what comes first, stealth or dmg, you could end up with black powder + HS into a target causing reveal too. I am sure that would make all d/p thieves super happy.

Jayden Ennok.3687:

If you want want consistency with what comes first, stealth or dmg, you could end up with black powder + HS into a target causing reveal too. I am sure that would make all d/p thieves super happy.

lol, good point.