Guild Wars 2

let’s analyze this skill
Cast time : 1/2 seconds
Initiative const : 6
Utility’s with 0/0/30/20/0 build 30 points in shadow arts – 20 in acrobatics
-Skill damage – arround 900 -1100
-vulnerability -3 % 5 seconds
-invisible to enemys- 4 seconds
-blind enemys
-remove 1 condition every 3 seconds stealthed
-health regeneration
1.assasin’s reward 79.5 hp ( only the 300 healing power from traits) * 6 – 477 hp
2.Shadow’s rejuveration 323 hp *4 seconds 1293 hp
total heal – 1770
Spammable ? yes – if it is timmed correctly

Personaly i belive this skill should have an lowered stealth time and thief can receive buffs in other skills /traits

Except those buff’s aren’t exclusive to cloak and dagger. They’re exclusive to stealth, making half of your list irrelevant. Now unless you want to change stealth altogether.

As far as thief healing, it’s fine. There are many classes that out heal. It discourages the 222222 glass cannon spam. Taking it away would be to encourage thieves to pursue the glass cannon “2222222” builds.

Im sure if you took a look at every skill from every profession and calculated it with ‘possible’ buffs via traits/foods/etc, you’d find plenty of other things to nerf too.

Looks like certain warrior had problems with some P/D bleed thief….

Lets look at a thief using signet of malice with 20 crits 30 trickery and centaur runes.

Signet of Malice has:
-12 second cooldown
-restores 6 initiative
-grants 5 stacks of might
-grants swiftness
-can be combined with choking gas, caltrops, and death blossom for crazy passive healing or used for big heal on short cd.

So, because it does ALL that, nerf it???

ZLE.8293:

Looks like certain warrior had problems with some P/D bleed thief….

looks like you did your homeworks bad, research better next time, thx
fact is, that i am borred of 40 minutes 1 vs 1 thief vs thief, and no i don’t use P/D , those traits can be used at any build.

Lets look at a thief using signet of malice with 20 crits 30 trickery and centaur runes.
Signet of Malice has:
-12 second cooldown
-restores 6 initiative
-grants 5 stacks of might
-grants swiftness
-can be combined with choking gas, caltrops, and death blossom for crazy passive healing or used for big heal on short cd.
So, because it does ALL that, nerf it???

it doesen’t provide perma invisibility
pasive effect is removed once is activated, and my calculation was without any healing power runes or equipment

OptimistPrime.9283:

Exactly. This topic is useless

the deciding factor give his verdict
but he missed the big point , invisible for enemy

No, your ‘big’ point was that Cloak and Dagger did too many things for one ability.

Which is silly, because you can choose to trait/gear your character to enhance any number of single abilities to great effect. My wells necro says hi, as do grenade engineers.

All you really want nerfed is stealth, to which I would tell you: Dodge the cloak and dagger. The thief will have just wasted half his resources, and be left in the open with his paper thin hp/armor. Other than culling making thieves appear later than they should when leaving stealth, they are fine. A point which is proven by glancing at Tpvp numbers.

Stx.4857:

No, your ‘big’ point was that Cloak and Dagger did too many things for one ability.

Which is silly, because you can choose to trait/gear your character to enhance any number of single abilities to great effect. My wells necro says hi, as do grenade engineers.

All you really want nerfed is stealth, to which I would tell you: Dodge the cloak and dagger. The thief will have just wasted half his resources, and be left in the open with his paper thin hp/armor. Other than culling making thieves appear later than they should when leaving stealth, they are fine. A point which is proven by glancing at Tpvp numbers.

i cannot dodge it for the mobs in the area of 1 vs 1

Ah so you are a thief. Pistol offhand maybe?….Well i have a news for you:C&D isn’t going anywhere so better learn to deal with it!

ZLE.8293:

Ah so you are a thief. Pistol offhand maybe?….Well i have a news for you:C&D isn’t going anywhere so better learn to deal with it!

no dude, i use D/D / shortbow , i expressed my oppinion regarding this skill , my 2 cents if goes anywhere or stay
But the fact is atm in 1 vs 1 is near imposible to lose if you use C &D correctly with thief.

Care to share you build,so we can cut to the chase?
My guess is 25/30/0/0/15.What i am trying to say is that nobody,i mean nobody comes here just to share his opinion.So tell us your secret.What is bothering you?You have 0 points in Shadow Arts?You can’t benefit from C&D as much as your enemies?What is it?

Rayya.2591:

ZLE.8293:

Ah so you are a thief. Pistol offhand maybe?….Well i have a news for you:C&D isn’t going anywhere so better learn to deal with it!

no dude, i use D/D / shortbow , i expressed my oppinion regarding this skill , my 2 cents if goes anywhere or stay
But the fact is atm in 1 vs 1 is near imposible to lose if you use C &D correctly with thief.

I’m not trying to stoke a fire that isn’t there… but most class boards have folks who say they cannot lose 1v1. necro, Mesmer, Ele, Warrior, Guardian. I support your ’ near impossible to lose’ statement if you mean you can just reset the fight if it is not going your way… but the other guy can prevent you from winning simply by negating C&D if that’s your primary offense ticket.

It’s a cornerstone of several builds play so care has to be taken with adjusting it… heals, conditions, burst all rely pretty heavily on it at times.

On EVERY MMO the rogues/assassins/wtvr have perma stealth (1 button perma stealth) and they can stun lock you and obliterate you in a matter of seconds. Be grateful that in this game stealth is actually temporary, and under 10 seconds with 60 second cooldowns (on the exception of C&D).

If you got a problem with stealth, learn to play. Thats all i have to say. And before ranting, I am STILL a backstab build thief (DC about the nerfs, i actually like that build though its completely nerfed now) and i get my kitten handed to my in a silver platter if i am unfortunate to find a player that actually know’s hot to play and isn’t a 10 y/o glass cannon warrior that cries when he can’t stun lock, haste and spam hundred blades.

Rayya.2591:

fact is, that i am borred of 40 minutes 1 vs 1 thief vs thief,

So you are complaining about chain C&D in a 1 on 1 fight? Is there anything more predictable than when you will get hit by the next C&D if they are perma stealthing?

You blame the skill when the attack can be easily timed and avoided? I guess it’s par for the course for these forums.

ZLE.8293:

@Faeyd you cannot stroke a fire.The guy obviously is another thief wannabe who wants to pull big numbers,but at the same time can’t accept his squishiness .He want’s to have the same level of survivabilty as a thief who spent 50 points into defensive trait lines(or at least he wants them to have his :P)

won’t even bother to flame you back but :
if i would be an wannabe i would transfer from Ring Of Fire to SFR.

I don’t show my face out of Heart of The Mists,so it doesn’t matter where i am.I have 2gold or something,i don’t go to WvW ever.I have never been to any dungeon.All i do is Structured PvP.Tell me you server and i will transfer right away to you,it doesn’t bother me at all

Stiv.1820:

Rayya.2591:

fact is, that i am borred of 40 minutes 1 vs 1 thief vs thief,

So you are complaining about chain C&D in a 1 on 1 fight? Is there anything more predictable than when you will get hit by the next C&D if they are perma stealthing?

You blame the skill when the attack can be easily timed and avoided? I guess it’s par for the course for these forums.

you are right , C&D can be so easy avoided , even mobs dodge it sometimes, i saw few mesmer clones doing it.
just 1 question : you state that i cannot C&D in 1 vs 1 with you, in wvwvw if you dodge ? cause to be honest i won’t even bother to C &D on you there is full of mobs in wvwvw, specialy when i am in disadvantage, i C&d on first mob and bang i removed condition, i got an free backstab for you, dodge it, cause is predicteble

ZLE.8293:

Care to share you build,so we can cut to the chase?
My guess is 25/30/0/0/15.What i am trying to say is that nobody,i mean nobody comes here just to share his opinion.So tell us your secret.What is bothering you?You have 0 points in Shadow Arts?You can’t benefit from C&D as much as your enemies?What is it?

I play a P/D condition/stealth based thief. I think stealth needs a little tweak, so you can give other players a chance to counter it. I shared my opinion here.

I have a clue.I didn’t say i never been.I just don’t go anymore to this gear-grind fiesta and mindless zerg.The guy will C&D on a random mobs and bla bla bla.So in that case if you feel like complaining,you must formulate smtng like this:“Pls remove the critters e.t.c”,but stop BS-ing Cloak&Dagger

you only see the stealth situation from pvp side. Thieves got rejected in most of dungeons /fractals groups because poor constant DPS / Survaivability – combo.
Even if i got 111 critical damage on my thief and still mentain over 2600 armor/ 16000 hp, my thief is poor compared with my warrior that can keep 114 critical damage 2900 armor and 21500 hp, splash damage and constant burst.
If stealth would be an utility to escape or surprise your enemy only , thieves could receive an buff in other points.
And regarding structured vs WvWvW , the diference is like from sky to earth. sPvP is limited in gear, skills, food buff and limited space, wich makes thieves less powerfull then in wvw. I can reset combat in wvw anytime , but in spvp if i run out of range i already lost the point i was supposed to defend.

Rayya.2591:

Stiv.1820:

Rayya.2591:

fact is, that i am borred of 40 minutes 1 vs 1 thief vs thief,

So you are complaining about chain C&D in a 1 on 1 fight? Is there anything more predictable than when you will get hit by the next C&D if they are perma stealthing?

You blame the skill when the attack can be easily timed and avoided? I guess it’s par for the course for these forums.

you are right , C&D can be so easy avoided , even mobs dodge it sometimes, i saw few mesmer clones doing it.
just 1 question : you state that i cannot C&D in 1 vs 1 with you, in wvwvw if you dodge ? cause to be honest i won’t even bother to C &D on you there is full of mobs in wvwvw, specialy when i am in disadvantage, i C&d on first mob and bang i removed condition, i got an free backstab for you, dodge it, cause is predicteble

You said you were sick of 1v1 with a thief. So now it’s 1v1 with a thief if there is a mesmer (so 2 v 1?) or mobs around. You said chain C&D which requires precise timing, yes it’s easy to dodge, just move away from mobs or help him kill the mob(s) with your own C&D spam as well. I wouldn’t want an easy rally anyway so fighting near mobs is not a good idea in any event.

Stiv.1820:

Rayya.2591:

Stiv.1820:

Rayya.2591:

fact is, that i am borred of 40 minutes 1 vs 1 thief vs thief,

So you are complaining about chain C&D in a 1 on 1 fight? Is there anything more predictable than when you will get hit by the next C&D if they are perma stealthing?

You blame the skill when the attack can be easily timed and avoided? I guess it’s par for the course for these forums.

you are right , C&D can be so easy avoided , even mobs dodge it sometimes, i saw few mesmer clones doing it.
just 1 question : you state that i cannot C&D in 1 vs 1 with you, in wvwvw if you dodge ? cause to be honest i won’t even bother to C &D on you there is full of mobs in wvwvw, specialy when i am in disadvantage, i C&d on first mob and bang i removed condition, i got an free backstab for you, dodge it, cause is predicteble

You said you were sick of 1v1 with a thief. So now it’s 1v1 with a thief if there is a mesmer (so 2 v 1?) or mobs around. You said chain C&D which requires precise timing, yes it’s easy to dodge, just move away from mobs or help him kill the mob(s) with your own C&D spam as well. I wouldn’t want an easy rally anyway so fighting near mobs is not a good idea in any event.

ok is not 1 vs 1 if there are mobs arround . Is 1 vs 5 , cause mobs are evil and will be on your enemy’s side
and if you dodge the C&d no thief on map cannot stealth
you continue to state that C&d invisibility is up to an dodge roll.
Won’t bother to explain you , since you already know that you can use C&D on anything . But is not 1 vs 1 in your oppinion if an poor white rabit is there right ?
is already 2 vs 1 !!!!

I was simply removing your mesmer clone argument. The mobs are on both sides, you stated you are d/d so you can C&D mobs as well to get rid of them or drag the fight away. If your complaint is that it sucks to fight a C&D spammer near mobs then I agree with you. That’s why you don’t do it.

If you move away from mobs and they stay there because they wont’ fight without them then it should be a mental victory for you. Just like when a D/D elemetalist jumps off a cliff and rides the lighting into the sunset, you win. You just didn’t get a stomp.

using terrain or mobs or whatever is out there to turn a fight in your favor is meritorious.

Stiv.1820:

The mobs are on both sides, you stated you are d/d so you can C&D mobs as well to get rid of them or drag the fight away.

He can,but he didn’t trait for regen and condition clear.He wanna big numbers.And that’s why all this whining is about!

OP, you forgot to add Shadow Protector to your build for another 1200 health regen from stealthing.

Thieves are stupidly overpowered right now because of Cloak and Dagger and culling. It is why 99% of the thief builds you see have an offhand dagger. You can use CnD on creeps for an easy stealth while running away as well. Specced properly, Cloak and Dagger gives you 4 seconds of stealth plus 1 second of culling, leaving you visible for 1 second every 6 seconds. During which time you can dodge and drop caltrops.

Even better, you can cloak and dagger a downed player for an easy stomp.

If you actually can’t win the fight or are losing (a good d/d ele will give you a run for your money), you can bail out any time you want and safely escape from all combat.

Daendur.2357:

using terrain or mobs or whatever is out there to turn a fight in your favor is meritorious.

Sure it’s legit fighting 1vN but if you are in a 1 on 1 and the other dude moves away from the mobs to take away that advantage and you wont follow then it’s a stalemate with the moral victory going to the guy who moved away from mobs imo. I guess they can both think they win since everything is anonymous there is zero blow-back for being a passy.

I’m traited for C&D and I have no interest in fighting a p/d thief near 7 coyotes. I’ll move away and see if they follow. If not, I move on and let them PvE.

ZLE you know just a few about wvwvw as you stated,
Here are my poor stats, with my lol healing as you stated 3’rd time today ,make an calculation about my healing power, where it comes from if you are interested , P.S crit damage is over 100

Albane.8367:

Thieves are stupidly overpowered right now because of Cloak and Dagger and culling. It is why 99% of the thief builds you see have an offhand dagger.

You are aware that thief can only use 2 kind of weapons in his offhand,right?Pistol and dagger.Mathematically this makes 50% chance a thief to have dagger in his offhand.if it’s more,so be it.If we look warrior,how many of them have greatsword equiped in some way?I would guess 100%.Is that making it OP too?

ZLE.8293:

Mathematically this makes 50% chance a thief to have dagger in his offhand.

shortbow make your chance go down to 33.333333%

ZLE.8293:

Albane.8367:

Thieves are stupidly overpowered right now because of Cloak and Dagger and culling. It is why 99% of the thief builds you see have an offhand dagger.

You are aware that thief can only use 2 kind of weapons in his offhand,right?Pistol and dagger.Mathematically this makes 50% chance a thief to have dagger in his offhand.if it’s more,so be it.If we look warrior,how many of them have greatsword equiped in some way?I would guess 100%.Is that making it OP too?

Does the warrior have an ability on that greatsword with a 6 second cooldown (time to recoup the initiative cost) that can regen him for 2800 health, cure 2 conditions, make him untargettable by all enemies, increase his movement speed by 50% and lasts 5 seconds?

Warriors do similar damage to thieves, but you can see them coming and you can stop them from going. Warriors are probably the most perfectly balanced class in the game.

Albane.8367:

ZLE.8293:

Albane.8367:

Thieves are stupidly overpowered right now because of Cloak and Dagger and culling. It is why 99% of the thief builds you see have an offhand dagger.

You are aware that thief can only use 2 kind of weapons in his offhand,right?Pistol and dagger.Mathematically this makes 50% chance a thief to have dagger in his offhand.if it’s more,so be it.If we look warrior,how many of them have greatsword equiped in some way?I would guess 100%.Is that making it OP too?

Does the warrior have an ability on that greatsword with a 6 second cooldown (time to recoup the initiative cost) that can regen him for 2800 health, cure 2 conditions, make him untargettable by all enemies, increase his movement speed by 50% and lasts 5 seconds?

Warriors do similar damage to thieves, but you can see them coming and you can stop them from going. Warriors are probably the most perfectly balanced class in the game.

Yes, they do its called: “Charge!” its a warhorn skill, it cures almost all conditions, can convert one of them to regeneration (heal.) and gives them swiftness so they can run away or out of a fight so they can’t be targeted by any enemies, AND its a group buff.

It also increases his movement speed by 50% (33%, because its capped, making the trait almost useless.)

Daecollo.9578:

Albane.8367:

ZLE.8293:

Albane.8367:

Thieves are stupidly overpowered right now because of Cloak and Dagger and culling. It is why 99% of the thief builds you see have an offhand dagger.

You are aware that thief can only use 2 kind of weapons in his offhand,right?Pistol and dagger.Mathematically this makes 50% chance a thief to have dagger in his offhand.if it’s more,so be it.If we look warrior,how many of them have greatsword equiped in some way?I would guess 100%.Is that making it OP too?

Does the warrior have an ability on that greatsword with a 6 second cooldown (time to recoup the initiative cost) that can regen him for 2800 health, cure 2 conditions, make him untargettable by all enemies, increase his movement speed by 50% and lasts 5 seconds?

Warriors do similar damage to thieves, but you can see them coming and you can stop them from going. Warriors are probably the most perfectly balanced class in the game.

Yes, they do its called: “Charge!” its a warhorn skill, it cures almost all conditions, can convert one of them to regeneration (heal.) and gives them swiftness so they can run away or out of a fight so they can’t be targeted by any enemies, AND its a group buff.

It also increases his movement speed by 50% (33%, because its capped, making the trait almost useless.)

First problem, you were trying to say Greatsword is OP because they all use it. Then you mention Warhorn to counter my argument.

Warhorn does not cure conditions, just movement impairing effects, once. Swiftness does not let you run away, so comparing it to stealth is moronic. Charge has a 20 second cooldown, so another flaw in your argument.

Cloak and Dagger needs to cost 9 initiative and all stealth buffs need to apply a similar length Revealed debuff after they fade.

Charge isn’t on a 6 second cooldown.

Just sayin’.

Warhorn does not cure conditions, just movement impairing effects, once.

There are traits …

Albane.8367:

Cloak and Dagger needs to cost 9 initiative and all stealth buffs need to apply a similar length Revealed debuff after they fade.

lol…

Are you just that bad on your warrior or what?

Albane.8367:

ZLE.8293:

Albane.8367:

Thieves are stupidly overpowered right now because of Cloak and Dagger and culling. It is why 99% of the thief builds you see have an offhand dagger.

You are aware that thief can only use 2 kind of weapons in his offhand,right?Pistol and dagger.Mathematically this makes 50% chance a thief to have dagger in his offhand.if it’s more,so be it.If we look warrior,how many of them have greatsword equiped in some way?I would guess 100%.Is that making it OP too?

Does the warrior have an ability on that greatsword with a 6 second cooldown (time to recoup the initiative cost) that can regen him for 2800 health, cure 2 conditions, make him untargettable by all enemies, increase his movement speed by 50% and lasts 5 seconds?

Warriors do similar damage to thieves, but you can see them coming and you can stop them from going. Warriors are probably the most perfectly balanced class in the game.

Uhh GS warriors especially with S/Sh on swap are pretty ridiculous. They do Thief damage on a constant basis in a cone with just as much mobility some of which (GS#3) does pretty ridiculous damage. All while having a nice heath pool and two ways to go immune as a full glass build.

This type of warrior stands a chance against any thief build and should utterly destroy glass thieves. Comparing single abilities to one another is kind of dumb.

swinsk.6410:

Albane.8367:

Cloak and Dagger needs to cost 9 initiative and all stealth buffs need to apply a similar length Revealed debuff after they fade.

lol…

Are you just that bad on your warrior or what?

My warrior is level 14, so I am not defending the class. I only mention Warrior because he was trying to compare their Charge to Cloak and Dagger. Pretty ridiculous comparison.

Cloak and Dagger is over powered and only selfish players who care nothing about balance will argue other wise.

Albane.8367:

My warrior is level 14, so I am not defending the class. I only mention Warrior because he was trying to compare their Charge to Cloak and Dagger. Pretty ridiculous comparison.

Cloak and Dagger is over powered and only selfish players who care nothing about balance will argue other wise.

The changes you propose for CnD suggest that you have no clue what you are doing. I do not feel like elaborating. No offense, just saying.

Albane.8367:

swinsk.6410:

Albane.8367:

Cloak and Dagger needs to cost 9 initiative and all stealth buffs need to apply a similar length Revealed debuff after they fade.

lol…

Are you just that bad on your warrior or what?

My warrior is level 14, so I am not defending the class. I only mention Warrior because he was trying to compare their Charge to Cloak and Dagger. Pretty ridiculous comparison.

Cloak and Dagger is over powered and only selfish players who care nothing about balance will argue other wise.

I’m trying really hard to come up with a word to describe you that won’t get me an infraction…but it’s SO HARD!!!!

When it comes to PvP (especially sPvP), thief is probably the MOST predictable (aside from bad players playing things like BC-Frenzy-HB), and EASIEST to kill class in the game right now. They’re like a fly. At best, they’re annoying…nothing more.

An easy example: friend of mine was complaining about P/D thieves in WvW about a week and a half ago. Then I showed him how to counter it. Now he laughs every time he encounters a P/D thief as it’s become effortless for him to make the pests run for their lives unless they wish to stay and die.

…and for the record…balancing ANYTHING based off of WvW is a joke.

Kurow.6973:

An easy example: friend of mine was complaining about P/D thieves in WvW about a week and a half ago. Then I showed him how to counter it. Now he laughs every time he encounters a P/D thief as it’s become effortless for him to make the pests run for their lives unless they wish to stay and die.

And let me guess what super well kept secret and difficult technique you told him?:
1.Cripple the ^%$#&&^.
2.If they Stealth, after like 2-3 sec DODGE.
3.When they dodge/run towards you DODGE.

Rayya.2591:

fact is, that i am borred of 40 minutes 1 vs 1 thief vs thief,

OptimistPrime.9283:

Exactly. This topic is useless

Bold explains why Primes post is relevant here. Borred also OP is referring to WvW and 1v1’s in the same sentence —--> Thats why gw2 isnt balanced for dueling.

This is why these topics don’t get taken seriously you should never use WvW and 1v1’s together it doesn’t even make sense let alone 1v1 all together because there is no mode that is focused on that(hopefully never)

If there was a dueling mode it would be so much worse. Why can’t I use my racial elite in sPvP? Don’t need a answer cause it makes sense why I can’t. Who cares that you went behind a windmill and challenged a guy to a duel? Are duels interesting yes, have I done them? Yes many times do I know that WvW or the game isn’t balanced around something that isn’t in the game? Totally.

ZLE.8293:

Kurow.6973:

An easy example: friend of mine was complaining about P/D thieves in WvW about a week and a half ago. Then I showed him how to counter it. Now he laughs every time he encounters a P/D thief as it’s become effortless for him to make the pests run for their lives unless they wish to stay and die.

And let me guess what super well kept secret and difficult technique you told him?:
1.Cripple the ^%$#&&^.
2.If they Stealth, after like 2-3 sec DODGE.
3.When they dodge/run towards you DODGE.

Yep. The typical hidden secrets that the general public and playerbase in WvW is too lazy to figure out/execute.

ZLE.8293:

And let me guess what super well kept secret and difficult technique you told him?:
1.Cripple the ^%$#&&^.
2.If they Stealth, after like 2-3 sec DODGE.
3.When they dodge/run towards you DODGE.

Someone else elaborated for me. Thanks!

swinsk.6410:

ZLE.8293:

And let me guess what super well kept secret and difficult technique you told him?:
1.Cripple the ^%$#&&^.
2.If they Stealth, after like 2-3 sec DODGE.
3.When they dodge/run towards you DODGE.

Someone else elaborated for me. Thanks!

If you make the P/D thief to fail his C& D he will not be able to stealth again the whole fight, and he will die in 2 seconds with his 20000 hp , 2600 p def and 3 utility’s + 1 heal +1 elite up to use.

Rayya.2591:

If you make the P/D thief to fail his C& D he will not be able to stealth again the whole fight, and he will die in 2 seconds with his 20000 hp , 2600 p def and 3 utility’s + 1 heal +1 elite up to use.

Using that previously mentioned tactics you will be able to counter his CnD and as far as I remember this is what this topic is about.

He won’t be able to heal that much, his damage/control will suffer a lot, he will waste a lot of initiative and you will be able to actually see him.

Yes, he has other skills available and he won’t drop dead immediately, but by learning how to counter CnD your chance to not lose the duel will rise significantly.

Thiefs are using dagger offhand, because most of the players have no idea how to counter that and they are lazy to figure that out.

Thiefs are annoying, but not overpowered. They feel overpowered to players that have no idea how to fight against them.

Rayya.2591:

If you make the P/D thief to fail his C& D he will not be able to stealth again the whole fight, and he will die in 2 seconds with his 20000 hp , 2600 p def and 3 utility’s + 1 heal +1 elite up to use.

You sound like one of those people who thinks he should 1 shot all enemies for no reason other than you think you are better.

Seriously, 1 dodged cnd is not going to make or break the fight, however, if you apply that advice to the entire duration of the fight with your next thief you will do much better.

ANet did not intend for 1 dodge roll to kill any class, ever.

EDIT: The more you post the more it makes you look like you just started playing this game last week. Just FYI.

swinsk.6410:

Rayya.2591:

If you make the P/D thief to fail his C& D he will not be able to stealth again the whole fight, and he will die in 2 seconds with his 20000 hp , 2600 p def and 3 utility’s + 1 heal +1 elite up to use.

You sound like one of those people who thinks he should 1 shot all enemies for no reason other than you think you are better.

Seriously, 1 dodged cnd is not going to make or break the fight, however, if you apply that advice to the entire duration of the fight with your next thief you will do much better.

ANet did not intend for 1 dodge roll to kill any class, ever.

EDIT: The more you post the more it makes you look like you just started playing this game last week. Just FYI.

seriously 2 dodges on C&D in row , will make me use C&D on mobs , wich is independent of your will
And how you counter that?
A-net did not intend to make 1 mechanism without counter.. and that is C&D currently in WvWvW.

Rayya.2591:

seriously 2 dodges on C&D in row , will make me use C&D on mobs , wich is independent of your will
And how you counter that?
A-net did not intend to make 1 mechanism without counter.. and that is C&D currently in WvWvW.

Situational and positional awareness. If you are fighting in a location with mobs of animals, withdraw to a place that doesn’t. You wouldn’t fight an engineer in the middle of his supply drop or fight a necro while standing in their blind well. Similarly, withdraw (don’t run away) to a point where the thief will not be able to stealth off of an animal and land a backstab or tactical strike without blowing a utility to get to you.

Rayya.2591:

swinsk.6410:

Rayya.2591:

If you make the P/D thief to fail his C& D he will not be able to stealth again the whole fight, and he will die in 2 seconds with his 20000 hp , 2600 p def and 3 utility’s + 1 heal +1 elite up to use.

You sound like one of those people who thinks he should 1 shot all enemies for no reason other than you think you are better.

Seriously, 1 dodged cnd is not going to make or break the fight, however, if you apply that advice to the entire duration of the fight with your next thief you will do much better.

ANet did not intend for 1 dodge roll to kill any class, ever.

EDIT: The more you post the more it makes you look like you just started playing this game last week. Just FYI.

seriously 2 dodges on C&D in row , will make me use C&D on mobs , wich is independent of your will
And how you counter that?
A-net did not intend to make 1 mechanism without counter.. and that is C&D currently in WvWvW.

I would kill the mobs…

Seriously, mobs being a reason to nerf an entire class is just plain stupid. Anet and any smart person would probably rather remove the mobs before nerfing the thief.

If you play spvp, you’d know that thieves are predictable classes. There’s a reason why they are no where near as “OP” in WvW, and that’s most likely because

1 Gear and level equivalency
2 Situational Awareness
3 Players who have more experiences in small fights(instead of, “lol I zerg u”)
4 And most importantly, almost no culling that affects fights.

1 cannot be fixed, it’s a player dependency and fault. In fact, I don’t believe any undergeared/underleveled player should be complaining about any profession in WvW

2 Can be fixed by looking behind you. A lot of complaints come against D/D glass cannon thieves. If people look behind them, they will never be caught with their pants down. I’ve never had a thief sneak up to me as I was solo roaming, because I have the ability to keep great situational awareness.

3 cannot be fixed, due to the zergy nature of WvW. It’s 100% player fault if you cannot cope with small fights and knowing counters to each and every profession.

4 can be fixed and is in the process of being fixed

How many kittening times do you people have to be told that PvP in this game isn’t balanced around 1v1 fights, but rather 5v5 tPvP?

If it were up to me typing “1v1”, “WvW”, and “balance” in the same sentence would get you hardware ID banned from the Internet.

Albane.8367:

Does the warrior have an ability on that greatsword with a 6 second cooldown (time to recoup the initiative cost) that can regen him for 2800 health, cure 2 conditions, make him untargettable by all enemies, increase his movement speed by 50% and lasts 5 seconds?

No, and neither do Thieves (oh, and it lasts 3 seconds, not 5).

Please, take your ignorance elsewhere, we’re getting tired of responding to the same kitten over and over again every single day. You think you’re the first person to try and exagerate Thief abilities to win an argument? LOL.