Guild Wars 2

Possibly easiest face roll build/class in game to play.

Makes condi thief look like joke.

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Haha yeah. I remember fighting several condi Mesmers with S/D thief while trying desperately to make an S/D build that was good. Literally, all they had to do was just stand there and let their illusions do all the work for them. Makes me sad that the game rewards such brain dead playstyles.

I’d say cele D/D ele is a contender atm, they can down a thief in PvP with accidental AoE damage just by stacking might. The buff to confusion and PU did make mesmers slightly silly though.

I wouldn’t write off condi thief either, I just had a 2v1 fight in an enemy camp vs a diamond skin ele and condi mesmer. I killed the ele and they only got me after 2 stealth traps and a moa, pretty much because I got overconfident and kept fighting.

Yeah d/d ele completely devastates even more than before now thanks to all arcane users running evasive arcana and the change to condition stacking. 14+ stacks of burning, with fire ring, drake’s breath, and fire aura. No thank you.

Haha, I was messing around with condi mesmer yesterday. Yeah it puts condi thief to shame. Not going to talk about how easy/hard it is, but the potential (and actual) condi damage is amazing. 4-8k worth of torment every 6 seconds (not including the autoattack, MtD, or clones), constant 5 stacks of confusion with bursts of 14-18. Access to burning also (not a lot, but it’s there). Condi manipulation. And minor access to poison, bleeds, chill and blind. Honestly I had myself a giggle when someone hit 14+ stacks of confusion; ~3k damage on skill use was hilarious.

(These are PvP numbers)

Rain.9213:

Haha yeah. I remember fighting several condi Mesmers with S/D thief while trying desperately to make an S/D build that was good. Literally, all they had to do was just stand there and let their illusions do all the work for them. Makes me sad that the game rewards such brain dead playstyles.

TBH After roaming a lot lately I have the feeling the more braindead a playstyle is, the more ANET buffs it.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVl0MhunYvTw0JQ/EH7E1OAqt2kfCjQJ4nit4KA-T1BEABGcKAYa/R53b6DWU9HAOCAE8AA2SJYAAEgb2mt5NDc0je0je0j2Nv5Nv5NvZpAEUoF-w

i found this build pretty good for roaming, and it’s good against condition builds.

Looks pretty good actually! That first initial burst will completely wreck face.

Confusion change was so stupid. All they had to do is make potential stacking amounts higher and remove the on-skill use damage effect for basic weapon skills and it would of been fine, confusion was made to punish the affected player from using their skill bar, now its just another list of DoT for Mesmer to kite you with and honestly the DoT is more potent than the damage on skill use sinice you spend so much time running towards them after they port.

Unless condi mesmer is rly bad, there is almost no way to win vs him in 1v1 as thief, even if u drop condis every 3 sec he just stacks like 3 condis every shatter not to mention his skills. You cant rly attack you cant rly move, torment was always insane vs thief but when u add it to Confusion it starts getting out of hand. Only trick i found is to focus on backstabs instead of pressure, bs invis bs invis bs invis till they drop rly low.

Mefiq.7039:

Unless condi mesmer is rly bad, there is almost no way to win vs him in 1v1 as thief, even if u drop condis every 3 sec he just stacks like 3 condis every shatter not to mention his skills. You cant rly attack you cant rly move, torment was always insane vs thief but when u add it to Confusion it starts getting out of hand. Only trick i found is to focus on backstabs instead of pressure, bs invis bs invis bs invis till they drop rly low.

1 condition every 3s (in stealth)
1 condition for every trick ability (4 tricks in bar with shortened cooldown)
1 condition removed by infiltrator’s return
3 conditions removed by shadow return

that build is a great counter to conditions and performs pretty well in general.

Mefiq.7039:

Unless condi mesmer is rly bad, there is almost no way to win vs him in 1v1 as thief, even if u drop condis every 3 sec he just stacks like 3 condis every shatter not to mention his skills. You cant rly attack you cant rly move, torment was always insane vs thief but when u add it to Confusion it starts getting out of hand. Only trick i found is to focus on backstabs instead of pressure, bs invis bs invis bs invis till they drop rly low.

I’m finding condi thief is a good general counter to condi mes still tbh. They got a lot of condi removal in the new patch but as I understand it they still have to land shatters to remove condis which gives you an advantage.

Been playing this over the last day or so, even though it was thrown together in 30 mins it outperforms my power builds to such an extent I’m seriously considering rerolling my ascended armor and weapons to dire.

scorpion wire ?

Daendur.2357:

scorpion wire ?

Yup, it’s very effective given a lot of the condi burst comes from interrupt. You’ve got to be careful how you play it, but still.

i found it really hard to be used, but maybe in a ranged build it works better, it’s pretty cool, but i’ve never been able to use

(Keep the Mesmer alive, it is your best source of booms

Try using bow on condi mesmers, it will destroy their illusions like nothing else and their damage will be pathetic.
Save steal to interrupt scepter #3 (aka laser beam).
Dodge if you see block on scepter #2.
Move a lot, the projectiles are awful at tracking you and their phantasms (torch/staff) will often miss you (not that they will do much damage on condi build).

Daendur.2357:

i found it really hard to be used, but maybe in a ranged build it works better, it’s pretty cool, but i’ve never been able to use

I mainly started using it as I didn’t want to sacrifice shortbow for pistol offhand for interrupts, it can fill a similar role to infiltrator’s signet, and it’s more generally useful than a venom since it doesn’t require me to drastically change my build to be worth using.

Scorpion wire, slight of hand and basilisk venom are enough interrupts to get 10+ torment stacks and 5-8 confusion stacks on someone, which is more than enough to finish someone if you force them to use up their cleanses on bleeds first. It’s also pretty fun to throw necros off cliffs by pulling then fearing them. Mainly it’s fun lol.

You may be right though, I’ve only really used it on ranged builds. For melee you’re generally better off with infiltrator’s signet if you don’t need the interrupt.

I have run into 1 mesmer like earlier today and I could not beat her. The fight lasted long enough for my to have use Shadow Refuge 4 times (No improvisation), a real pain these guys are.I am going to try this immediately, it sounds promising.

I will try mine with Shadow Refuge Scorpion Wire and Shadowstep.

So i tried it for almost 3 hours I believe. For some reason I ran into EVERY condi build, mesmer, thief, necro, warrior. I really like condi cleaning aspect of hit but the damage…. the damage is so slow. I even added sigil of rage for the quickness effect wich worked wonders, but still… I spend the whole fight on defensive, just cleaning myself to death.

Man it made me miss S/D, idk if it’s the damage, me completely sucking (currently used to D/P, but i played a lot of S/D before the Fire Nation attacked) , but wow. No wonder so many people complain about acrobatics and S/D. RIP.

Since NOBODY excepts Scorpion Wire anymore, this skill does wonders. every 16 sec, a condi clean (traited), and knockback/daze.
Anyways, Build is good, well thought out. However, broken S/D remains broken S/D.