Condition Thief is easy
As a Necro I enjoy killing this noobiest of builds in the entire game by standing in their caltrops they drop and throwing 20 bleeds back on them.
and what do you want exactly ? nerf my build too ?? how about go cry somewhere else???
Dude Kaiser u posted somewhere else how u where dominating pve and having the highest dps of ur group…. whats the point of this thread then?
As a Necro I enjoy killing this noobiest of builds in the entire game by standing in their caltrops they drop and throwing 20 bleeds back on them.
wow they must really be noobs…..
Pistol/Dagger is amazingly strong
Much easier to play than Backstab thief, with backstab thief that C&D>Mug>Backstab is your only combo, if you miss that and your target doesn’t die you’re pretty much dead (unless they’re REALLY bad).
With condition thief you just pop in and out of stealth at a distance spamming Attack 1 until they die…
There’s upsides to both. That said, your post is basically “oranges are the best because they are better than apples”. Your choices aren’t just condition thief or backstab thief, there’s a whole gamut of viable fruits out there (although admittedly less so thanks to this last patch).
As a Necro I enjoy killing this noobiest of builds in the entire game by standing in their caltrops they drop and throwing 20 bleeds back on them.
they must be messing up, the build usually cleanses conditions in stealth. their fault for not cleansing
Gungnir Grimm – 80 Thief
Gungnir Aurus – 80 Guardian
[AUX] Isle of Janthir
Gungnir Aurus – 80 Guardian
[AUX] Isle of Janthir
This thieve is just epic.
Dude Kaiser u posted somewhere else how u where dominating pve and having the highest dps of ur group…. whats the point of this thread then?
So everyone can stop QQing about backstab builds when Condition builds are far superior, you have control over the entire fight, not to mention you can take multiple targets at once with it.
Not really. If your opponent isn’t dead you can still spam 2. Or if you screwed up the combo switch to your shortbow and infiltrator arrow away/stealth. It’s generally very easy to escape a fight alive as a Thief. I’ve tried both builds and personally feel BS is easier and more of a gimmick.
P/D is condition build is by no means superior to the D/D backstab build, and the backstab build is also capable of taking out multiple opponents lol. The ability to take out multiple opponents is attributed to skill man, not the build.
As a Necro I enjoy killing this noobiest of builds in the entire game by standing in their caltrops they drop and throwing 20 bleeds back on them.
wow they must really be noobs…..
This. I haven’t died to a necro yet, you guys are usually fodder.
With condition thief you just pop in and out of stealth at a distance spamming Attack 1 until they die…
Have you even played this build? You don’t “pop in and out of stealth at a distance” mainly because you can’t, unless C&D somehow works at range now and I’ve missed something, or are have you been ruining your build with stealth utilities? You also don’t “spam” anything, hitting stealth and spamming is instant death. Yeah, you should probably stick to Backstabbing by numbers…
P/D is condition build is by no means superior to the D/D backstab build, and the backstab build is also capable of taking out multiple opponents lol. The ability to take out multiple opponents is attributed to skill man, not the build.
I also agree with this. And saying “P/D is amazingly strong” (above) is a bit ridiculous, no it’s not, 2 weapon attacks make up its bread and butter, it’s the build and the player that makes it what it is.
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As a Necro I enjoy killing this noobiest of builds in the entire game by standing in their caltrops they drop and throwing 20 bleeds back on them.
wow they must really be noobs…..
This. I haven’t died to a necro yet, you guys are usually fodder.
With condition thief you just pop in and out of stealth at a distance spamming Attack 1 until they die…
Have you even played this build? You don’t “pop in and out of stealth at a distance” mainly because you can’t, unless C&D somehow works at range now and I’ve missed something, or are have you been ruining your build with stealth utilities? You also don’t “spam” anything, hitting stealth and spamming is instant death. Yeah, you should probably stick to Backstabbing by numbers…
P/D is condition build is by no means superior to the D/D backstab build, and the backstab build is also capable of taking out multiple opponents lol. The ability to take out multiple opponents is attributed to skill man, not the build.
I also agree with this. And saying “P/D is amazingly strong” (above) is a bit ridiculous, no it’s not, 2 weapon attacks make up its bread and butter, it’s the build and the player that makes it what it is.
Guess I worded it wrong, but stealthing in and out is what makes that build strong, it’s the best defense. It takes off conditions and gives HP back every second you’re in stealth, if you run that with Shadow Refuge you get an additional heal. Spamming attack 1 stacks your bleeding which is what this build relies on for damage now that C&D got the nerf, unless you bring in caltrops which makes it even easier to use.
I’ve killed 4 people at once in WvW with conditions, sure I can do it with BS as well, but with condition build I rarely drop to 10k(max hp=19k) hp.
Not really. If your opponent isn’t dead you can still spam 2. Or if you screwed up the combo switch to your shortbow and infiltrator arrow away/stealth. It’s generally very easy to escape a fight alive as a Thief. I’ve tried both builds and personally feel BS is easier and more of a gimmick.
P/D is condition build is by no means superior to the D/D backstab build, and the backstab build is also capable of taking out multiple opponents lol. The ability to take out multiple opponents is attributed to skill man, not the build.
Honestly, only an idiot would let a thief get all those heartseekers in & if you try spam HS then try to escape with SB Infiltrator Arrow, you can’t because you have no initiative.
p/d is pretty mindlessly easy, but then again, if you actually fight people who know what theyre doing, you probably wont get a kill. As opposed to glass cannon thieves who can drop someone in a few seconds in some cases.
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This thieve is just epic.
Unless I’m missing something that build has zero stun breakers and has to close into melee range to stealth. It’s ok for WvW where you can CnD mobs and eat +40% condition duration food, but a player with some knockbacks and/or immobilize that know what they’re doing wouldn’t have much trouble dealing with it.
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No spec is good at everything. Players that say <spec A> is God, are ignoring the fact that it’s strength in certain situations does not mean it is God. Rather, it is strong in THAT particular situation. They all have strengths AND weaknesses.
Many can be offset by enemy skill level (or exacerbated by it) and/or enemy spec choices.
TBH, it’s fairly what I expected to see in a GW game. Limited slots for abilities forcing you to decide WHAT you want to do, and then using your player skill to accentuate your strengths while covering your weaknesses.
To say “such and such spec” is “easy” is foolish. None of them are easy. They all require a working knowledge of what your spec can do and what it cannot. Even the gimmicky BS builds did this, as even the lowliest mouth-breather recognizes that the BS builds were complete dumps… and hide for 45 seconds.
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This thieve is just epic.
Unless I’m missing something that build has zero stun breakers and has to close into melee range to stealth. It’s ok for WvW where you can CnD mobs and eat +40% condition duration food, but a player with some knockbacks and/or immobilize that know what they’re doing wouldn’t have much trouble dealing with it.
You’d be amazed at how few people even try that, I’ve never had a problem C&Ding an enemy. There’s only a few smart people that will even try and use a knockback when the thief uses refuge, I seldom encounter any serious problems simply because people fail to react effectively.
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I ran the Wild Bill spec for a few months and it’s very effective at just about everything. Soloing camps, soloing 3 people at once, getting away, a mix of range and melee attacks, etc. It’s biggest strength is the bleed durations and the extra health you have from not having to be a glass cannon.
A lot of people I noticed start playing somewhat awkwardly after they blow their big burst skills at the start of the fight and I still have 15k left. It’s like they can’t understand how a Thief still has health because they’re so used to fighting glass cannons. It’s a good spec to use for a well rounded player with it’s biggest disadvantage being that it kills slow in general, but you have a lot of lasting power. The poisons heal you, the stealth removes conditions and heals you and you have up to three dodges to use at maximum endurance. Try it out if you haven’t, it’s a good spec, and even if you decide to swap out the poisons for stun breakers (Shadowstep), you can still make the spec work just fine and increase your survivability even more.
I’ve run a P/D build from the beginning and it’s getting less powerful over time. It’s a hard counter to any glass cannon build though. You can kill hordes of glass cannons/lowbies/bads at once.
Any professions that use any sort of bunker build you can’t kill without a very prolonged fight if they have some skill.
Not really. If your opponent isn’t dead you can still spam 2. Or if you screwed up the combo switch to your shortbow and infiltrator arrow away/stealth. It’s generally very easy to escape a fight alive as a Thief. I’ve tried both builds and personally feel BS is easier and more of a gimmick.
P/D is condition build is by no means superior to the D/D backstab build, and the backstab build is also capable of taking out multiple opponents lol. The ability to take out multiple opponents is attributed to skill man, not the build.
Honestly, only an idiot would let a thief get all those heartseekers in & if you try spam HS then try to escape with SB Infiltrator Arrow, you can’t because you have no initiative.
I said the D/D thief can either spam Heartseeker or Infiltrator Arrow away, not do both in sequence.
As for your bit about Condition Thieves having an easier time with people in WvW… I agree, but this is essentially a skill issue. I’ve won 1v3+ fights with my Warrior, with my Mesmer, and with my Thief using a variety of weapon sets. I was more skilled than those players and had better gear than a few, which is all it comes down to in WvW. If people carry Condition removal (or are bunkers with innate removal) handling a Condition Thief is easy. Killing them not so much, since they have a lot of passive healing and condition removal in stealth as you stated.
A D/D Thief can spec to be just as defensive as a some Condition specs btw. You sacrifice a bit of burst for survivability, and still kill opponents a lot faster than a P/D Condition Thief will.
vit beats +cond build
+tough beats +power/prec/+critdmg build
great player > good player
good player > bad player
bad player = bad player
I hope this sums it up for you. it doesnt matter what build / gear you have, it also comes down to how bad/good/great of a player you are. having 1 spec is only half the battle and even then it comes down to the matchup.