Conditions and you; the build I am using.

Conditions and you; the build I am using.

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Posted by: Selver.1307

Selver.1307

Hi there, long time no talk restless thief community. No one cares, but I’m back. Really, no mods, constant complaints. What the hell is wrong with this forum community. I’ve seen plenty without so much assery. Anyway, onto the meat and bones.

20/0/0/20/30

d/d + sb

mug or poison duration(or vuln stacking in rabid gear for covers), Improv. Yes improv. Why? To say I am using it. It’s actually handy with a varied utility section.

Vigor on heal, +2ini/10s

dodgetrops, bountiful theft, +4ini on heal

Gear.

I have 3 sets of gear. All have
2x Krait runes
2x Afflicted runes

2 have 3x Afflicted/Krait.

1 Has in place of the 3/3 for the other two runes uses Melandru (25toughness/-10%condition duration)

Weapons – 3 Carrion daggers. 1 with generosity or purification, 2 with +10% bleeding (2nd is a preference really). Shortbow has a corruption sigil, working toward a second with a better rune investment (geomancy/chill, something).

Armors:
Rabid set.
Apothecary set (Melandru variant)
Carrion set.

Jewelry:
Due to Apoth being so hard to come by(read: expensive as kitten) and the temple’s open so rare (for rabid), I have Carrion jewelry, and a rabid backpiece.
(all chrysocola embellished jewels)

Heal: Withdraw – this is personal preference obviously, but pairs well with vigor on heal, +4ini on heal.
If I use SoM (in pve or something, still rare), I use different trickery traits(drop +4ini on heal)
If I use HiS, I might take out quick recovery for AR so I can get some addition heals in between it’s longer cd, and try and drag the battle out more.

Utilities:
Sig of Agility (open slot, I keep if for dodges/condi – passive is nice in rabid set – 24% crit)
Shadowstep (stunbreaker, mobility, condi removal)
(open slot, I generally run trops, or house, or something useful. On a side note, check out the duration of your conditions from your venoms eating the rare veggie pizza! And another tangent, if you prefer the pizza, over anything else, drop a sigil of agony for something else).

stats:
Apothecary Variant
CD: 1,268
Armor: 2,245
attack: 2,555
crit: 5%
Health: 17,385
Boon Duration: 20%
Steal Recharge: 30%
Healing: 315
Bleeding duration: 70% (17s deathblossoms/ ~5,401 from 3 bleeds)
Shortbow poison fields stack to 20s with full ticks in it, applies weakness (~without~ the lovely cond food, or poison trait).

Carrion: your heals are going to be less, condition higher (1400s), power higher, and same crit.

Rabid: Crit will be 15%, 0 healing, higher condition (13-1400’s I forget atm)

Try it out, melee kite your enemies. Open with shortbows poisons, try and stack em high before you switch if you can, make em fret about a long lasting condition.

Don’t spam DB! It’s got 3 17-20s (depending on how you build the condition duration) bleeds, if you can get 6 stacks up and just play keep away, they’ll blow a condi removal (maybe) and you can regen ini for another few stacks. Save steal when you need ~1.5-2khp AND 3 ini. Don’t forget about Improv, it’s out of kittening nowhere free kitten. There’s nothing else really in the tree anyway. It’s saved me, and it’s been useless, but overall it still doesn’t kitten you as hard as Instinctual response and last refuge.

Give it a go, tweak it to your liking. I really enjoy it in open pve/wvwvw…

(I’ll probably be back to 0/30/30/10/, or some burst variant in 3 days!)

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

Arganthium.5638

Really, no mods, constant complaints. What the hell is wrong with this forum community.

Same as ever. -_-

Thief|Mesmer|
Theorycrafter

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Posted by: Selver.1307

Selver.1307

Really, no mods, constant complaints. What the hell is wrong with this forum community.

Same as ever. -_-

I know. I know.

Make a plea to the safehouse? or is there already a wing?

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Posted by: Iove.3902

Iove.3902

Play a Condi build all you like, but the damage and playability will be inferior to a burst build until we see more damaging Condis added to our arsenal.

That being said, I think you can make improvements to the build by using 4 Nightmare and 2 Lyssa Runes. Use carrion gear until you have near 15k HP then stack the rest as Rabid or Apoth for the toughness. You already have a good amount of the health needed by speccing into Acro.

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Posted by: Selver.1307

Selver.1307

I play both. I spec differently often (burst spec sits at 100%crit damage, 40(no including situational bonuses from traits) crit, and 3k power at around 15khp – many variants).

I get kills on both.

Keeping 3 conditions up is pressure for small stuffs.

Zergs consist of refuge+trops in their siege, stack up bleeds, and step out.

Lyssa is meh. I don’t need more condition duration. Nightmare I have never cared for either. I keep 16-20khp with gear, and float from base armor, to 2600 or so(depending on the many sets of gear/combinations I listed).

Playability is superb, I stay alive much longer. It’s bursty conditions (edit: bursty bleeds, with poison/vuln/weakness covers) that you can keep constant pressure with, not overwhelming with damage at opportune moments.

I also have much more epic fights against people in specs like this because they aren’t over in 30 seconds or less. I enjoy a good fight against a good opponent. When we can dance for a long time, I’d say it’s a good fight, especially if we know we are both close we just need to step up our next swoop.

Opinions though, you know? :P

And believe me, I am all for additional conditions past racials/combos. I’d like access to burning, and if I can’t get that, well chill. And if I can’t get that I’ll just deal with it and keep doing what I am doing!

edit:
Here are the stats in the rabid gear (+1 rabid jeweled with knights amulet and earring).

I is having fun!

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