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Posted by: animalmom.1062

animalmom.1062

is it one or 2 seconds depending on your condition duration or can you get fractions of a second?

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Posted by: Travlane.5948

Travlane.5948

1 sec. only 2 secs if u have mesmer runes or 15% on sigil. they round up to the nearest whole second.

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Posted by: animalmom.1062

animalmom.1062

thank you. Seems unreasonable.

These posts seem to suggest that there are fractional dazes

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/75538-sworddagger-loyalty/page__st__30#entry2106895

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/66152-rune-of-mesmer-sigil-of-paralyzation/

Are they just old? I’d test it but I’m at work. I assume you have tested it?

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Posted by: Travlane.5948

Travlane.5948

unreasonable? what do u mean

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Posted by: animalmom.1062

animalmom.1062

not sure why we can’t have fractions of a second. But it’s not my game

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Posted by: Viking Jorun.5413

Viking Jorun.5413

There’s are fractional dazes. They work in quarters, rounding up to the nearest 1/4 second. If you don’t believe me play around with stun* duration and basilisk venom.

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Posted by: Travlane.5948

Travlane.5948

animal i know what u mean. but 1/4 sec daze is only good for a quick rupt…although there is a cooldown on a rupted skill tho so

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Posted by: Dimittri.3245

Dimittri.3245

What sigil works for daze? Superior Sigil of Paralyzation?

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Posted by: animalmom.1062

animalmom.1062

My point is that i’d like it to be more than one second, taking advantage of my increased condition duration that i have built for.

So if I have 60% increase I.d like 1.6 seconds, i’m not sure why it needs to be rounded,

@viking – thanks – I do believe you.

@ dimitri – yes

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Posted by: Dimittri.3245

Dimittri.3245

If I take 1 sigil on each weapon I get 2*Bonus (15%*2=30%Stun Duration)? I haven’t tried this before. So I don’t know if sigils works this way.

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Posted by: animalmom.1062

animalmom.1062

only 1 sigil works cannot use two they dont stack

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Posted by: Dimittri.3245

Dimittri.3245

only 1 sigil works cannot use two they dont stack

Thanks for the answer! You saved me a good time and coins!

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Posted by: Scizzor.8137

Scizzor.8137

is it one or 2 seconds depending on your condition duration or can you get fractions of a second?

Just so you know, daze is not a condition and is not affected by condition duration.

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Posted by: Clockwork Bard.3105

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Tooltips round to 1/4 seconds, but they’re not reflective of actual results. Everything I’ve read and seen points to all things with durations accurately lasting for their expected partial amounts. The only times where whole seconds matter are conditions and boons that tick, like bleeds and regeneration. Because these tick once a second, half a second is not useful. They last that extra half second, but do nothing during it.

Daze is a control effect and not a condition, so it will only be affected by duration increases that specifically improve dazes. For a thief, that is namely the Superior Runes of the Mesmer.

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Posted by: Dimittri.3245

Dimittri.3245

Tooltips round to 1/4 seconds, but they’re not reflective of actual results. Everything I’ve read and seen points to all things with durations accurately lasting for their expected partial amounts. The only times where whole seconds matter are conditions and boons that tick, like bleeds and regeneration. Because these tick once a second, half a second is not useful. They last that extra half second, but do nothing during it.

Daze is a control effect and not a condition, so it will only be affected by duration increases that specifically improve dazes. For a thief, that is namely the Superior Runes of the Mesmer.

So Superior Sigil of Paralyzation won’t work for daze?

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Posted by: Clockwork Bard.3105

Clockwork Bard.3105

Tooltips round to 1/4 seconds, but they’re not reflective of actual results. Everything I’ve read and seen points to all things with durations accurately lasting for their expected partial amounts. The only times where whole seconds matter are conditions and boons that tick, like bleeds and regeneration. Because these tick once a second, half a second is not useful. They last that extra half second, but do nothing during it.

Daze is a control effect and not a condition, so it will only be affected by duration increases that specifically improve dazes. For a thief, that is namely the Superior Runes of the Mesmer.

So Superior Sigil of Paralyzation won’t work for daze?

I have not personally tested it, but no, it shouldn’t work. Stun and daze are different control effects. For example, that would improve the stun on Pistol Whip, though that’s a 1/2 second stun, and so that would add 0.075 seconds to its stun.

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Posted by: Smo.6520

Smo.6520

If it did work though, it would round up to 2 secs

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Posted by: Berengar.6951

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Unless they changed it (which they could have), Sigil of Paralyzation does work on dazes.

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Posted by: Clockwork Bard.3105

Clockwork Bard.3105

It would seem, through various searches around here and Guru, that Sigil of Paralyzation is a wonky beast. I was not aware it was such a mess, but there are claims of it working on some dazes, not on some stuns, and the duration increases being rounded, not rounded, and otherwise unpredictable from ability to ability. It would seem control effects follow rules very different from conditions.

So, I take back my earlier comments and simply shrug my shoulders.

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Posted by: Dimittri.3245

Dimittri.3245

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sigil_of_Paralyzation

Note at the bottom:

The duration increase of various stun and daze effects vary wildly and often round up to the next second.

So it works for Daze applied on Steal for sure!

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

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http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sigil_of_Paralyzation

Note at the bottom:

The duration increase of various stun and daze effects vary wildly and often round up to the next second.

So it works for Daze applied on Steal for sure!

That’s a general note about how the duration is rounded and not about the Sigil specifically.

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Posted by: Kabuki.9103

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From prior testing for my chain daze s/d build with superior sigil of paralyzation, daze would be increased significantly in wvw but limited to 2 secs in sPvP.

Keep in mind this was tested with sword and not daze on steal. Also this was quite a few patches ago.